Saliva tests

[PaqueteMan]

Hi there!

I'm Spanish and they've just started having random tests in the streets for detecting drugs on drivers. Up to now it was just alcohol tests.

The thing is that people are sick worried over here because the penalties are big and most of us can't afford it. The reliability of these tests is doubtfull, or so some say, as apparently you can get a positive if you just had a spliff a couple days back.

My question is: has anybody had any experience with these tests? I'd really appreciate any info on this.

Cheers!

 

[HempKat]

No experience with those tests but the bit about a spliff showing up days later is true in other tests. Concievably one can come up dirty as much as 30 days after they last used. In some cases of overweight people who are heavy smokers it can be even longer.

 

[Budweiser13]

http://www.passitkit.com/mouth_peace_saliva_drug_test.htm

Good Luck

 

[PaqueteMan]

Thank you very much for your posts!!

Yesterday I read a scientific paper (http://www.adicciones.es/files/bacells 169-174.pdf, in Spanish sorry) that states that cannabinoids are not secreted in the saliva, there's just a small quantity of them after you smoke but they come from the actual smoke.
If that's true then it's only a matter of rinsing after smoking (so the link that Budweiser13 posted may come in handy). Don't you think??


Thanks again

PS. Apparently this is the machine they're using: http://www.draeger.us/sites/enus_US/pages/Law Enforcement/DrugTest-5000.aspx

 

[HempKat]

Thank you very much for your posts!!

Yesterday I read a scientific paper (http://www.adicciones.es/files/bacells 169-174.pdf, in Spanish sorry) that states that cannabinoids are not secreted in the saliva, there's just a small quantity of them after you smoke but they come from the actual smoke.
If that's true then it's only a matter of rinsing after smoking (so the link that Budweiser13 posted may come in handy). Don't you think??


Thanks again

PS. Apparently this is the machine they're using: http://www.draeger.us/sites/enus_US/pages/Law Enforcement/DrugTest-5000.aspx

Well the datasheet for the product claims it tests for cannabinoids as well as a number of other drugs but there is nothing indicating how accurate the devices are or any explaination of specifically what and how it detects things. So I wouldn't trust the safety until the use of such tests has had enough time for people to measure the risk. The product Budweiser13 posted a link to does look like a way to beat such tests.

The bigger issue though, in my opinion, is that we allow these kinds of things to take place. With these random drug tests we're alloing ourselves to be treated as guilty until proven innocent yet in this world our laws are built on the reverse principal of innocent until proven guilty. I can understand and accept on the spot tests for public displays of over intoxication or when someone has an accident on the job, or does something to demonstrate he's not all there. That's fair because there is no reason for people to be allowed to get high on the clock. Random testing though is checking really on just whether you do drugs or not and even though there is no performance issue you can be fired for something you did off the clock. Actually it just leads to a judgement that you're a bad person and if left unpunished you'll eventually do something bad. We as human beings shouldn't have to tolerate such insult and therefore should not allow it.

 

[PaqueteMan]

Well the datasheet for the product claims it tests for cannabinoids as well as a number of other drugs but there is nothing indicating how accurate the devices are or any explaination of specifically what and how it detects things. So I wouldn't trust the safety until the use of such tests has had enough time for people to measure the risk. The product Budweiser13 posted a link to does look like a way to beat such tests.

The bigger issue though, in my opinion, is that we allow these kinds of things to take place. With these random drug tests we're alloing ourselves to be treated as guilty until proven innocent yet in this world our laws are built on the reverse principal of innocent until proven guilty. I can understand and accept on the spot tests for public displays of over intoxication or when someone has an accident on the job, or does something to demonstrate he's not all there. That's fair because there is no reason for people to be allowed to get high on the clock. Random testing though is checking really on just whether you do drugs or not and even though there is no performance issue you can be fired for something you did off the clock. Actually it just leads to a judgement that you're a bad person and if left unpunished you'll eventually do something bad. We as human beings shouldn't have to tolerate such insult and therefore should not allow it.

I'd say the former is the urgent issue and the latter is the important one

Very true what you say. However, it's hard to measure the difference between "having cannabinoids in your organism" and being high. I wouldn't smoke before I finished work but, given my tolerance, I'm sure as hell there are plenty of those cannabinoids around to let me down at an eventual drug test, possibly more than in a sporadic user who just got high -though in my case this would probably be while I'm driving/commuting.

Cheers!

 

[GP73LPC]

No experience with those tests but the bit about a spliff showing up days later is true in other tests. Concievably one can come up dirty as much as 30 days after they last used. In some cases of overweight people who are heavy smokers it can be even longer.

this is bullshit in my experience...

i can smoke one night, for hours and be clean in 7 days...

just buy a couple of tests from your local drug store and determine what your time frame is to become clean.

2 days smoking, clean in 13 days...

3 days smoking, clean in 18 days...


YMMV....

 

[Luv-U-Long-Time]

I thought Spain was slightly more progressive.

 

[PaqueteMan]

I thought Spain was slightly more progressive.

Generally speaking the law -and more importantly, the way it is interpreted by the judges- is more advanced indeed than other European countries.
The actual problem is the PP (Partido Popular, the political party in power), which is not progressive at all. They seldom, if ever, vote for a progressive law but they are kind enough to keep those signed by their competitors (AKA the PSOE). Imagine they now set out to ban gay marriages for instance??

However I learned today that only 101 tests where finally conducted in a week in the whole of Spain. Those bloody tests are certainly pricier than the alcohol ones and we Spaniards can't afford a thing nowadays. You need to be very unlucky to get caught if those figures don't increase a lot.

 

[PaqueteMan]

this is bullshit in my experience...

i can smoke one night, for hours and be clean in 7 days...

just buy a couple of tests from your local drug store and determine what your time frame is to become clean.

2 days smoking, clean in 13 days...

3 days smoking, clean in 18 days...


YMMV....

Thanks but I think that's only valid for urine tests. With saliva the period ranges from few hours to few days depending who you ask.

Cheers

 

[GP73LPC]

Thanks but I think that's only valid for urine tests. With saliva the period ranges from few hours to few days depending who you ask.

Cheers

you are correct...

i was responding to Hempkat's 30 day comment, which is also for a urine test...

but yea, this is for urine, not saliva...

 

[Hydro-Soil]

http://www.passitkit.com/mouth_peace_saliva_drug_test.htm

Good Luck

It's a rinse and 'coating' product.

Hmmmm need to test Swishing with orange or other highly acidic juice and swishing some olive oil for a minute.

Anyone have access to one of these machines for some hardcore testing?

Stay Safe!

Edit: too bad it's for motorists... alcohol would be the perfect rinse.

 

[PaqueteMan]

You're right GP73LPC, I guess I lost track of the context of your post.

Cheers!

 

[PaqueteMan]

Anyone have access to one of these machines for some hardcore testing?

That would be bloody awesome.

Edit: too bad it's for motorists... alcohol would be the perfect rinse.

hahahahahahaha

 

[Budweiser13]

What about Listerine mouth wash???

 

[Hydro-Soil]

What about Listerine mouth wash???

If I recall correctly, that's the same as alcohol and will fail a breath test for driving. I could be wrong though.

Stay Safe!

 

[HempKat]

you are correct...

i was responding to Hempkat's 30 day comment, which is also for a urine test...

but yea, this is for urine, not saliva...

Well tell the guy who started a thread in here because he came up dirty after more then 30 days that it's all BS. Generally speaking, the average person smoking on a fairly regular basis will stay dirty for as much as 30 days and sometimes longer. Granted there are exceptions such as people who smoke infrequently and/or are in good health and exercise regularly that come up clean in less then 30 days. Just as there are exceptions such as people who smoke havily and daily and/or are not in great shape and don't exercise regularly that come up dirty even beyond 30 days.

Perhaps you should just consider that you coming up clean in less then 30 days as fortunate rather then think people are bullshitting you? I did acknowledge that I had no experience with saliva tests and that my time reference was in relation to "other tests"

 

[Herbophile]

I'm one of those lucky few. As a daily smoker I've cleaned up twice recently and both times I was pissing clean in 7 days testing with the THC test strips. I'm active, thin and have a great metabolism.

As for the saliva tests I've never had to take one so I'm curious as to what the ins and outs are of them. I'll certainly do some research as I'm sure we'll see more of this as time passes unfortunately.

 

[GP73LPC]

Well tell the guy who started a thread in here because he came up dirty after more then 30 days that it's all BS. Generally speaking, the average person smoking on a fairly regular basis will stay dirty for as much as 30 days and sometimes longer. Granted there are exceptions such as people who smoke infrequently and/or are in good health and exercise regularly that come up clean in less then 30 days. Just as there are exceptions such as people who smoke havily and daily and/or are not in great shape and don't exercise regularly that come up dirty even beyond 30 days.

Perhaps you should just consider that you coming up clean in less then 30 days as fortunate rather then think people are bullshitting you? I did acknowledge that I had no experience with saliva tests and that my time reference was in relation to "other tests"

i think you misunderstood me and maybe i did not express myself clearly.

when i am not smoking daily and smoke one night, i can be clean in 7 days.

when smoking daily and 100% saturated with THC, it could take in excess of 70 days..

 

[HempKat]

i think you misunderstood me and maybe i did not express myself clearly.

when i am not smoking daily and smoke one night, i can be clean in 7 days.

when smoking daily and 100% saturated with THC, it could take in excess of 70 days..

I guess I did misunderstand because it sounded like you were saying the 30 days or more thing was BS because you've gotten clean in much less then 30 days. Perhaps I too didn't do a good job in making it clear I was only refering to heavy/regular smokers?