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root rot? algae? mirage?
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SuperLarry
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well it might be the post of brown algae that saved me.. and the zone. however some small plants are drooping again and i see some browning. so we did a rez change. there is a lot of small brown matter in the bottom of the rez. this is the plants pooping right?
HeresTheDank
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sorry, a shitty cell phone pic is all i could snap. you can kind of see the dark blotches. i think its because my airstone came unglued and probably didnt disperse bubbles evenly. What can i do to clean this up, if i can? the plants in its first week of flowering but is very lush and healthy looking.
SuperLarry
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holy shit thats a lot of roots for first week of flowering! if the roots look dead i would just pull them off. probably some of this dutch master zone that we are all using would help. obviously if your water had no oxygen for a long enough period of time some of the roots might have sufficated and died. is it that your roots are so big they are physically disturbing your air stone? single bucket system? nutes?
HeresTheDank
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Yeh, i vegged em for about a month and a half in a 5 gallon single bucket dwc. i've got two buckets going but only this one has the root problem. im using floranova grow nutes still until i see flowers. ppm is around 1600-1800. keeping ph around 6, but there was a nute lock up a few weeks back. so just trim off the dead roots? will this effect the plant? a hydroshop said if i cut off a lot of root mass i may have to trim the plant some, i wasnt too sure on this though. I also was thinking that theres so much roots it distributes it unevenly but what could help this? get a circular airstone ? i'll check the hydro shop for the zone stuff you speak of.
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Hu$tle Tree$
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Great Job Larry!!! Way to recover, those roots look great!! As far as the brown stuff goes its probably just dead algae at the bottom of your res....plants don't poop 
Make sure you run the zone from start to finish it should keep your res nice and clean.
Damn Dank roots aren't lookin too happy in that pic. How are your temps?? Looks like it could be root rot, algae or maybe if you are lucky its just the floranova staining your roots. I'd run zone as well, if you can't find it try out H2O2 or Florashield from GH. You can try to pull off some of the dead roots so that they don't die and provide food for the rot/algae your plants may be stunted a bit but you may be able to salvage a decent yield. I'd run a sterile res from here on out and maybe change out the nutes on a more frequent basis if I were you. Keep you eyes peeled for drooping or yellowing leaves as well. Hope this helps!!
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Make sure you run the zone from start to finish it should keep your res nice and clean. Damn Dank roots aren't lookin too happy in that pic. How are your temps?? Looks like it could be root rot, algae or maybe if you are lucky its just the floranova staining your roots. I'd run zone as well, if you can't find it try out H2O2 or Florashield from GH. You can try to pull off some of the dead roots so that they don't die and provide food for the rot/algae your plants may be stunted a bit but you may be able to salvage a decent yield. I'd run a sterile res from here on out and maybe change out the nutes on a more frequent basis if I were you. Keep you eyes peeled for drooping or yellowing leaves as well. Hope this helps!!
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SuperLarry
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its the floranova probably. shit is so thick. got to shake it up ahead of time in warm water. shake bottle real good. still will prob stain roots. good stuff but super thick. also make sure bucket water temps are staying under 75degF. ideally 68. if you think its not getting enough air you might want to consider using a pump inside the bucket instead of an airstone or multiple air stones or perhaps even a bigger bucket?
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richyrich said:
This was due to light or warm temps or not using correct nutes for hydro.
Hey superlarry great to see the guys come around!
Hopefully those seedlings will thrive and catch up to the rest; you are lucky they did!
Did ya lower the ppm mixture a lot to help them?
I bet what happend is when you lowered it the bigger plants took in the nutes leaves some of it more lowered and more tolerable for the seedlings....... which did you some good
Good to see you got them peraly whites back again!
SuperLarry
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i never did lower the ppm. it stayed at 450 i think it was. now its up quite a bit. growth is a little slow but i think that's because when lights are on its prob averaging 65 and lights off averaging 73. i know it would be ideal to have it the other way around. my light cycle was setup for the 600s though which will definitely have it 75+ with lights on.
With the ppms being low and so many plants the nutes were shared and keeping it low for the seedlings to survive then since you did not lower the ppms.
still hope they pull through fully and you they can grow with the rest
still hope they pull through fully and you they can grow with the rest
MynameStitch said:This was due to light or warm temps or not using correct nutes for hydro.
Hey superlarry great to see the guys come around!
Hopefully those seedlings will thrive and catch up to the rest; you are lucky they did!
Did ya lower the ppm mixture a lot to help them?
I bet what happend is when you lowered it the bigger plants took in the nutes leaves some of it more lowered and more tolerable for the seedlings....... which did you some good
Good to see you got them peraly whites back again!
I'm not sure who you are referring to. My past experience and if so you are so wrong. If it is Larry, well that is up in the air. For one thing blocking light is not going to stop brown algae. It does not need light. Blue green algae does though. His staining was not slimy and he has a water chiller to control the temps. Nutes were not changed. In theory there should be not problems.
IMO, it look like it was just staining from the Flora Nova. I have had it do that to my hydro roots in the past.
Root rot is what he had not sure if root rot brown alge are the same, I have only seen green alge growth, I know root rot is bacteria
which is what he had, light will cause it to thrive along side warm temps. Roots don't have to be slimy to have root rot
Roots do get stained; but when they are stained; the whole root mass is going to be stained most of it that is, it's not going to do what super larry's plants were doing in his picture he posted of some of the root mass being that way, the root mass was nearly level and one side was brown and the other side not which tells me that was not root stain.
which is what he had, light will cause it to thrive along side warm temps. Roots don't have to be slimy to have root rot
Roots do get stained; but when they are stained; the whole root mass is going to be stained most of it that is, it's not going to do what super larry's plants were doing in his picture he posted of some of the root mass being that way, the root mass was nearly level and one side was brown and the other side not which tells me that was not root stain.
SuperLarry
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thanks stitch!
some of the seedlings now...
some of the seedlings now...
SuperLarry
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i think its more likely the brown algae. because like he said im using a chiller. also im a little confused. my problem was definitely not the floranova, that was heresthedank. im using GH maxigrow powder. i think what might have caused my problem was either the transfer from ez cloner, superthrive, or these seedlings that were all potted in some old ass wal-mart potting soil and then transfered into the aero system. either way i ditched all the ezclones, ditched the superthrive, and added zone. seems to be way better.
SuperLarry said:
Surely, was not the staining then. GH Maxi will not stain. Sorry, I misread about the Nova. I would have to say you had the beginning of root rot which is caused by a bacterial infection, but then I have to doubt that because of the chiller. I am inclined to have lean towards your thoughts on this about it possibly being the very beginning of brown algae. In the beginning it looks like that and then comes the slime. And that is the one thing I hope it really is not for you. I would take root rot (bacterial) over brown algae anyday.
Take a look at this pic of mine where the typical light loving blue green algae was taken over by brown algae. Nasty stuff.
HeresTheDank
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yeah, my problem could of came from res. temps. A few times while veggin and runnin lights during the daytime, it got 83-85 in the cab, so the resi was probable warm too. I tried to pull off at the browned roots but they didnt come off too easily. it was just thick and entangled like the other roots. I havent got any zone yet, but what do you do with h202? just add some to the res.?
SuperLarry
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yea 1 tsp per gallon h202 might help a little bit. i think if the roots are strong but brown its prob not algae. its prob just stained from the floranova. how do the plants look?
HeresTheDank
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I'll try some h202 in there either way, cant hurt? The plant with the problem is very healthy, lush, and bushy. The roots on that plant took longer to take off and only come out of one part of the net pot, compared to the other one that roots are coming out of hte net pot everywhere...if that makes sense at all? I thought it could be cause of the resi temperature, but the other bucket's roots are super healthy and they were both in the same environment, so im not sure the chances of one gettin root rot from res. temps and not the other.
In the pic, its the plant thats closer to the fan, its topped and freakin bushy as all hell. It lagged like 3 weeks into veggin because of a nute lockup with the ph. but one day it just took off after fixin the prob
march 25th before i switched the bulb/timer.
In the pic, its the plant thats closer to the fan, its topped and freakin bushy as all hell. It lagged like 3 weeks into veggin because of a nute lockup with the ph. but one day it just took off after fixin the prob
march 25th before i switched the bulb/timer.
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SuperLarry
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plants look good. i think its the floranova staining the roots. but if you don't already have pythium (root rot). you will. you need to keep your water under 75degrees somehow.
