Its about that time that I have been waiting ever so patiently and am finally going to kick into grow mode. Still a nube with lots of questions but whats more important than a little hands on experience. Anyway, my area that I'm planning on using is about 3.5 feet wide and 11 feet long. My question to you guys is what will be the best way to use this space for veg., flower, and mothers. Should I try to build a wall and cut my area down to 3.5 X 5 feet? One side for veg. and moms the other for flower. Is this an unrealistic size to grow in? I am growing with soil but have a couple more lights I'd like to introduce to the room but not for awhile. I can expand probably another foot wider but dont want to keep putting the grow off to make adjustments.
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Room size
- Thread starter moegreen
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I think you could grow in a space 6 inches wide by 30 feet. Problem is you are loosing lots of light that way. Theres no way to channel a light to that rectangular pattern that I know of.
Does this 3 feet include space to move around or can you use the full 3 feet? Also you probably wont need a wall to divide 3 feet of width. You could use some Panda Plastic to split the area. I would make the veg/mom area a little smaller than the flower area as that doesnt take up as much space.
Does this 3 feet include space to move around or can you use the full 3 feet? Also you probably wont need a wall to divide 3 feet of width. You could use some Panda Plastic to split the area. I would make the veg/mom area a little smaller than the flower area as that doesnt take up as much space.
3.5' x 3.5' is Ok for one 600W. That would put you just under 50W/ft^2.
How tall is your space? I would stack your clones on a shelf over the moms in a 4 x 3.5 section and use the remaining 7 x 3.5 for veg/flower with two 600's if you can cool them.
Maybe even make them 3ft and 7ft long respectively and use the 1ft gap in between for wiring, ductwork, etc...
How tall is your space? I would stack your clones on a shelf over the moms in a 4 x 3.5 section and use the remaining 7 x 3.5 for veg/flower with two 600's if you can cool them.
Maybe even make them 3ft and 7ft long respectively and use the 1ft gap in between for wiring, ductwork, etc...
The room is 8 foot high and is actualy about 4.5 foot wide but about a foot of it is all shelving. I could take half of the shelving down to gain the extra space but like testpilot said, clone's will fit perfectly in there. I was curious about that Panda Plastic you are talking about yamaha. It actually will block all of the light so there wont be any leaks? Also, I will be using 400w MH for veg. and 1k HPS for flower. Its down in the basement and with temp. beginning to drop down I'm not sure i'll have heat issues till the spring or summer. At least hopefully I wont
Is this a double closet? 8ft is plenty to stack the moms and clones on shelves in the other side.
Panda plastic is poly sheeting (like contractors plastic) that's white on one side and black on the other. Try to keep the splicing to a minimum by running a single sheet around the room. Overlap joints and tape on both inside and out.
Do you have walls already or is this a space to be sectioned off from a room?
Panda plastic is poly sheeting (like contractors plastic) that's white on one side and black on the other. Try to keep the splicing to a minimum by running a single sheet around the room. Overlap joints and tape on both inside and out.
Do you have walls already or is this a space to be sectioned off from a room?
The room already has existing walls but not very sturdy. It hasnt been fastened to the floor with anything or even a bottom plate to do it even if I wanted to. I was thinking about ram setting and attaching one but need to get the door framed out. It had a door but wouldnt close all the way and I definetly would like to be able to lock the room even though I dont take anyone in the basement. I have a few rolls of R 25 insulation I wanted to use to control some of the smell issues but was curious about how much space I need. I know that when you use insulation for heating and cooling but try to cram 8 inches into a 4 inch space you lose alot of the R value. Is this true with controlling smells that may come from the room?
I wasnt going to use it just to control the smell but thought that insulation that thick would help soften it a touch. I have quite a few rolls of it that I dont really have a use for and I figure it cant hurt. Like I said, the walls are shit....basically a 1/2" sheet of drywall with no studs. Just some 2x2 that is holding it up
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Panda Film is Opaque and will allow a very very small amount of light through, more like a glow with HID's. Double it up.
You can secure the plate/mud sill without a Ramset, just drill a 1/4" hole through the sill and into the concrete floor or block wall at least 2" deep (tap on the CMU (block) to find a cell that is concrete filled). Then drive 2 16d nails at one time through the hole in the sill and into the hole in the floor/wall. Space the nails at 24/32 inches depending on layout.
Forget the insulation, while it keeps cold out it also keeps heat in.
The SuperSun II hood with a 600W has a 3' x 3' footprint, beyond that the plants at the edge will be receiving substantially less light.
Check Pico's posts on hood performance. It is all mathematical.
Regarding humidity and temps, a portable dehumidifier might be needed as well as a through wall AC, depending on the season and outside temps. With Panda Film walls both devices will perform their job.
Start small and buy the right equipment, sized to this grow and future expansion. Nothing pisses folks off more than buying undersized/underpowered pieces of equipment that become useless down the line. Big time waste of hard earned money.
You can secure the plate/mud sill without a Ramset, just drill a 1/4" hole through the sill and into the concrete floor or block wall at least 2" deep (tap on the CMU (block) to find a cell that is concrete filled). Then drive 2 16d nails at one time through the hole in the sill and into the hole in the floor/wall. Space the nails at 24/32 inches depending on layout.
Forget the insulation, while it keeps cold out it also keeps heat in.
The SuperSun II hood with a 600W has a 3' x 3' footprint, beyond that the plants at the edge will be receiving substantially less light.
Check Pico's posts on hood performance. It is all mathematical.
Regarding humidity and temps, a portable dehumidifier might be needed as well as a through wall AC, depending on the season and outside temps. With Panda Film walls both devices will perform their job.
Start small and buy the right equipment, sized to this grow and future expansion. Nothing pisses folks off more than buying undersized/underpowered pieces of equipment that become useless down the line. Big time waste of hard earned money.
Thanx Tie, I already have most of my equiptment but I definetly know what your saying. I currently own two 400w Mh that can switch to HPS and a 1k watt HPS cool tube (not a big fan of the cool tube) but hey, I think I got a pretty decent price for it. I still need a carbon scrubber and wouldnt mind getting some co2 but wont be for awhile. I think the beans I have are still good but might need to get more. Other than that I'm in pretty decent shape. I thought about what you said on the insulation and you definetly got a point. I only have 2 grows under my belt and they are a couple years ago but never had any heat issues due to growing in a basement that was cold as a mo fo. I dont think heat will be an issue for at least 6 months or so not worried about it for now. Thanx for the info. bro!
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You are very welcome Moegreen.
sonoma
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Ty-stik said it, get the right stuff the first time, so you can upgrade as is possible.
I would set it up like this.....4x8 flower room, 4x3 mother/clone room. Flower room has cooltube and one 400. Mom room has the other 400. run the lights in the center, but favor one side a little. Plant 40 plants in 1 or 2 gallon pots with coco mix or soil mix. Hand water, until you can automate.
seperate the mom room however you can, and you are off....couple runs and you'll be able to get any equipment you need.
What do you have for fans and such? Do you have photos of the area?
I would set it up like this.....4x8 flower room, 4x3 mother/clone room. Flower room has cooltube and one 400. Mom room has the other 400. run the lights in the center, but favor one side a little. Plant 40 plants in 1 or 2 gallon pots with coco mix or soil mix. Hand water, until you can automate.
seperate the mom room however you can, and you are off....couple runs and you'll be able to get any equipment you need.
What do you have for fans and such? Do you have photos of the area?
Yeah, here are a few pics I snapped of the room. Still in disarey but you get the point. As far as fans go I have a squirrel cage but not sure where I will be able to vent to. Definetly have nosey neighbors that like to drop in unanounced. You suggest using the one 400w for mothers but will that be enough to veg. the rest of my girls? As soon as I get a crop or two in I'll be purchasing another 1k so I will have 2 of each. I was going to keep the two 400w for veg. and the 1k's for flower. I just put my seeds in damp washclothes and placed in a ziplock today so should be germing soon.
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In the first photo I noticed the stains, on the far wall near the the floorline. Do you have below grade seepage problems or prior water issues in that room??
No issues in that room although the other wall in the main part of the basement gets damp. Nothing serious such as standing water but you can tell the concrete is moist cuz its darker than the rest of the floor. The previous owners did try to drylock the whole basement. They just didnt paint where the shelves stood. I took them down to gain another foot of grow space and left the one up for clones and nutes. I now have 4.5 feet by 11 grow area.
I am trying to install a floro in the shelf for the clones. I went and purchased a small T-12 and grow bulbs for it but the one I got needs to be wired directly. I need something that has a cord w/plug but none of the T 12's have that option. Will a regular floro work for cloning? I'm pretty sure i've read that they will but thought a grow tube would work better but might be wrong. Please let me know my best bet for successful cloning.
