Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?

[DiscoBiscuit]

I guess you would have no objection to killing a fetus if you didn't believe it had a right to life.

I have no objection to women exercising their legal right to manage their own reproductive healthcare decisions. I have no objection to public opinion polls that show abortion opponents in the minority.

It's not enough for moral crusaders to stop abortion. They want to end reproductive services for many women simply because their obstetrics and gynecological facilities also handle abortion services.

It's not enough for moral crusaders to stop general reproductive health services, they're going after contraception.

It's not enough for moral crusaders to protest at women's health clinics, in some cases frightening patients and staff. When all else fails, declare open season on doctors who perform women's health services and blow up abortion clinics.

He believes the LIVING fetus/human has the same protections as the mother.

Feel free to promote murder we know youre pro violent robbery

Feel free to bump yer gums, whodie.

 

[whodare]

Do you read Lou Rockwell, whodare? Is that where you got the Lawrence reference?

A page back i believe the Nolanchart article,
And no I don't read lew Rockwell though I do read Mises daily articles

 

[whodare]

I have no objection to women exercising their legal right to manage their own reproductive healthcare decisions. I have no objection to public opinion polls that show abortion opponents in the minority.

It's not enough for moral crusaders to stop abortion. They want to end reproductive services for many women simply because their obstetrics and gynecological facilities also handle abortion services.

It's not enough for moral crusaders to stop general reproductive health services, they're going after contraception.

It's not enough for moral crusaders to protest at women's health clinics, in some cases frightening patients and staff. When all else fails, declare open season on doctors who perform women's health services and blow up abortion clinics.



Feel free to bump yer gums, whodie.

Problem with your argument,

Dr Paul isnt a moral crusader and he hasn't gone after anything you state.

I still got teeth

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Pro violent robbery. Don't make me laugh. What's violent about "fleet of foot" and "you can't catch them"? Shoot em running away? Yeah, that's pretty violent alright.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Problem with your argument,

Dr Paul isnt aoral crusader and he hasn't gone after anything you state.

Does this mean I'm still a pro violence baby killing supporter?

"It's the sex that's immoral." - Ron Paul

I still got teet

Cheers!

 

[whodare]

Pro violent robbery. Don't make me laugh. What's violent about "fleet of foot" and "you can't catch them"? Shoot em running away? Yeah, that's pretty violent alright.

Got you running in circles... Lol

Does this mean I'm still a pro violence baby killing supporter?

"It's the sex that's immoral." - Ron
Paul
Have yourself a drink.

is that a direct quote are you sure, in context ?

Lol don't mind if I do

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Got you running in circles... Lol

That's it, fluff the format, not the message.

is that a direct quote are you sure, in context ?

I hit the quote button and respond. If you go back and change stuff it isn't retro active. dag's the comment creator. IMO, you guys don't need editing.

 

[ShroomDr]

All the useless arguing, neither of you can think its constructive...

Can we talk about Dr Paul?

If Dr Paul is going to win ANY states in the GENERAL ELECTION, dont you think he needs to win its primary too?

Does anyone know if Dr Paul is going to win ANY primaries? Utah, N Dakota, Montana? Anywhere?

Dr Pauls only chance is to force the election to the House of Reps, and he is going to need to win a handful of states to do that.


When is he going to have a GREAT showing in a primary?




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[ShroomDr]

I would also love to talk about the parrellels between Goldwater and Romney as far as 'successful' primary seasons go, and how their showing will reflect their general election chances... but no one wants to talk about what is ACTUALLY happening...

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Under the circumstances, Romney might not be off topic.

 

[ShroomDr]

And abortion and conraception wasnt? These arent thing Ron Paul highlights when it comes to his policies.

This thread should allow enough flexibility to discuss those running in this election.

Its not like im angling to discuss magic underwear.


So... i was reading about Shays Rebellion and a weaker federal government, and i found an interesting quote, from an interesting guy

Thomas Jefferson, concerned over the failure to fund an American naval force to confront the Barbary pirates, wrote to James Monroe, "It will be said there is no money in the treasury. There never will be money in the treasury till the Confederacy shows its teeth. The states must see the rod.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articles_of_Confederation

Dr Paul claims to be for The Constitution, but he seems to be more of a Patrick Henry style Anti-Federalist.

 

[SacredBreh]

Obummer gave more detail in the fairy tale he spun!

Obummer gave more detail in the fairy tale he spun!

Yeah, I like the idea of weed reform. IMO, waxing the DEA wold make lots of us happy but we'd have to deal with the hard drug problem.

I'm not a policy maker so I don't what goes into reform preliminaries that seek to recognize and manage expected outcomes. Ron Paul strikes me as an ideas man but I've yet to see his ideas in more detail. When Obama was campaigning on health care reform, the aspects of reform were quantified. Of course these were estimates but there was significantly more information than, "I'll reform health care".

The agencies and departments Paul wishes to end would shift cost to other areas. These areas would either perform as well as the former entities - or not.

I'm not against his ideas. I'm curious why they're all so far right they meet the left on the backside. Just kidding. Seriously, ending things as opposed to fixing them always seems abrupt and the potential of shortsighted planning might give us more problems than we tried to fix.

Zero Results! Not even those in health care see a difference..... Wow, man of the decade!

By the way I like my multicolored posts... bold, caps, underlined. LMAO

Peace

 

[SacredBreh]

This deserves to be posted again.... SAYS IT ALL! by Plant Early..

This deserves to be posted again.... SAYS IT ALL! by Plant Early..

Same old bullshit or has that left a bad taste in your mouth America?!?

Peace

 

[SacredBreh]

Quote:
Originally Posted by dagnabit
some folks need a nanny to help them know drugs are bad mmmmmmkay

Cojito--some call it religion.

All candidates on deck agree with this so.......... NEXT! or there are some that are less wrong about the Big Sky Guy? You do better than that Cojito... oops read further and apparently not.

Peace

 

[SacredBreh]

Leave race out of it.... you really are trying to get the thread closed!

Leave race out of it.... you really are trying to get the thread closed!

How does consensual sex between consenting adults conjure aspirations of moral judgement?

Bob Dole lost to Bill Clinton and won a big Viagra contract. First thing you know, male lawmakers made insurance companies cover Viagra under major medical plans. After that, women complained that contraception should be covered as well. 28 states passed laws that mandated insurance companies cover contraceptives.

While the "states rights" mantra might explain the nationalized kerfuffle, that's not the case. Catholic bishops are making it a religious issue and IMO that's hypocritical. Even Rick Santorum and Mitt Romney have voted for or signed into law, family planning measures.

But there's a damn Democrat is in the White House and dammit, he ain't white.

Held back long enough.... this has become a one sided conversation. You been asked politely not to flame..... now not so nicely. One more time..... please?

Maybe you know it all but I am learning a lot from this thread including even from you rarely, so I would like to keep it going through the election. IC has been very good to us to let us discuss even heatedly, please don't disrespect it.

Peace

 

[SacredBreh]

Now these are talking points......

Now these are talking points......

Just out of curiosity. To those of you that think there should be no taxes, how do you plan to run the Country? The infrastructure in our Country is in terrible condition. Where are we getting the trillions of dollars to start working on that?

And here's another funny one from some of you. No welfare or help for people that actually need it. No Social Security, fuck the old people. Legalize the importation of any and all drugs into our Country. Make what you want and keep it all. No education, because there will be no money to pay for it. Have I missed anything, lol?

It's no wonder.......

As a Ron Paul supporter at this point, these are some concerns I have, as well as, environment. I think I can square with the environment but in my day to day life I see many people who have little or no support system in place even with what we have in place.

I knew a Mormon family in Utah once upon a time a long time ago. The church gives you a job, puts you up, feeds and cloths you until you are on your feet. Usually only if Mormon or potential convert..... as I was told.... point is I could see that working there from my experience but was definitely limited. Other places I have lived .... not so much. I would not be truthful if it didn't concern me. We have a whole group of people in America that are "throw aways". I hate that term but it really describes how we treat some of our own.

Peace

Sorry for multiple posts... been busy and catching up. Obviously.

P.S. No am not Mormon.... it was just a great example I have seen personally. One aspect of the belief system I very much respect.

 

[ronbo51]

Americans don't want freedom. It's too scary. They would rather watch Dancing With the Hollywood Millionaires and then have the big,empathetic, all good and wise Government direct their lives. Freedom just takes so much time and work, plus you never know how things turn out. People make decisions and sometimes they fuck it up and then they are not happy and their lives turn to shit and its just not fair that folks who work hard and save and make good decisions get ahead. That's where the gang in DC come in. For a few trillion they will run your lives, tell your kids what to eat, give you jobs, or money, or food, and housing, and free cell phones, the whole deal. You just pull the lever for the dipstick that promises that it's not your fault your life sucks, or someone has more than you. Yeah, freedom is scary, it's a big bad world out there. Just remember, among other things to keep in mind, that any government intrusive enough to go into a child's lunch, packed by his mom, and telling you it's not good enough ( have you ever seen the shit they serve at schools??) has no difficulty locking our asses up in a for profit prison for bypassing the Pharma monopoly and growing a little pot.
Ron Paul is all right. His son is better. They all pretty much suck though. But they are giving us what we want, and it's not freedom.

 

[dagnabit]

Car insurance policies don't attempt to sell interstate trash and receive intrastate-only regulations.

It shows that the people who don't buy insurance and don't pay for their care raises everybody else' rates. I respect your opinion but it doesn't have a practical application. I'm surprised you're not more down on a health care industry that sucks up 1/5th GDP for 37th place.

apples and oranges..
auto insurance required is liability.
how does liability health insurance work?

 

[dagnabit]

Looks like you forget one thing. It's a federal issue. SCOTUS ruled so that no woman would have to be subjected to old white men running states like moral crusades. Ron Paul obviously doesn't see this issue as settled . He knows he can't get a federal abortion ban but he can sure send the message loud and clear that Republicans are still in the business of telling women what to do with their reproductive health, by hook or crook.

so in a couple of DECADES as a lawmaker what bills has he authored to lead you to believe he wants to do so?

great thing about Dr paul he is not a junior senator with NO bills and a "present" voting record

 

[dagnabit]

dag's the comment creator.

racist slur!
how dare you post a blatant racist slur!
i should report you for that biggoted tirade.



see how silly that seems?

gay slur indeed

you know deebie you never did answer(probably cuz you dont like the answer) is there anything you find immoral the government should not police?
or
do you truly believe Dr Paul is part of a grand conspiracy to outlaw premarital OR were you just propping up straw men?
or
how do you square yourself with the idea Obama professes the same belief system as the good Dr?