Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?

[itisme]

American Artifacts: Jefferson's Bible - Smithsonian's Harry Rubenstein - Preview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-BbdL1Qwvg

This was cool. Who said about it on the tube?

 

[whodare]

Funny, its almost universally agreed that the mid to late 50's were the greatest time in American history.

Eisenhower Administration & 57' Chevy's!

A Man could get a job, buy a house and support a stay at home wife, 2-3 kids, and go on vacation, all on 40 hours a week.

All when the tax rate was high on the rich. Did they go poor then? No, because they are RICH



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just another boom created by the banking elite...

you fail to mention the resultant bust, and the crippling stagflation in the seventies...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970s#Economy

The 1970s were perhaps the worst decade of most industrialized countries' economic performance since the Great Depression.[3] Although there was no severe economic depression as witnessed in the 1930s, economic growth rates were considerably lower than previous decades. As a result, the 1970s adversely distinguished itself from the prosperous postwar period between 1945 and 1973. The oil shocks of 1973 and 1979 added to the existing ailments and conjured high inflation throughout much of the world for the rest of the decade. U.S. manufacturing industries began to decline as a result, with the US running its last trade surplus (as of 2009) in 1975. In contrast, Japan's economy continued to expand and prosper during the decade, boosted by growing exports.
The average annual inflation rate from 1900 to 1970 was approximately 2.5%. From 1970, however, the average rate hit about 6%, topping out at 13.3% by 1979. This period is also known for "stagflation", a phenomenon in which inflation and unemployment steadily increased, therefore leading to double-digit interest rates that rose to unprecedented levels (above 12% per year). The prime rate hit 21.5 in December 1980, the highest in history.[3] By the time of 1980, when U.S. President Jimmy Carter was running for re-election against Ronald Reagan, the misery index (the sum of the unemployment rate and the inflation rate) had reached an all-time high of 21.98%. The economic problems of the 1970s would result in a sluggish cynicism replacing the optimistic attitudes of the 1950s and 1960s. Faith in government was at an all-time low in the aftermath of Vietnam and Watergate, as exemplified by the low voter turnout in the 1976 United States presidential election.
In Eastern Europe, Soviet-style command economies began showing signs of stagnation, in which successes were persistently dogged by setbacks. The oil shock increased East European, particularly Soviet, exports, but a growing inability to increase agricultural output caused growing concern to the governments of the COMECON block, and a growing dependence on food imported from democratic nations.
On the other hand, export-driven economic development in Asia, especially by the Four Asian Tigers (Hong Kong, South Korea, Singapore, and Taiwan), resulted in rapid economic transformation and industrialization. Their abundance of cheap labor, combined with educational and other policy reforms, set the foundation for development in the region during the 1970s and beyond.

 

[whodare]

When youre a fat cat like Romney, you can tell them to not pay you any MONEY, they can pay you in stocks, etc.

you don't have to be a fat cat to get stock options...

So Romney (Buffet, etc) dont pay 39.6%, they pay substantially LOWER (13.9% on 42 million dollars for two years in Romney case).

Romney wants to make his tax burden slightly above ZERO!

This is sane fiscal policy?

considering his income is based on "investing" yea i think it is...

no tax on investing, what do you think will happen??


And RON wants to make Romney's personal tax burden nearly zero too, along with yours...

Where are the jobs that should have been created with Reagan's trickle down economics, and Bush era tax cuts? The 'saved' tax money wasnt reinvested in AMERICAN, it was sent to build factories in ASIA.

We need another tax cut for 'job creators' (in Asia)!

i hope you didnt really fall for trickle down economics...

RP solution is to throw the baby out with the bath water, thats really my only problem with him. He will accomplish everything the Corporatist want, and ZERO for the average man.

More like cut out all the cancerous growth to restore the health of the patient, certainly a risky procedure but surely worthy...

he will accomplish some things that would benefit the elite but ultimately he would end their strangle hold on us and give us a better chance at achieving our individual dreams...

something they surely dont want to see

Google Beijing Smog, tell me we dont need an EPA. China has laws against pollution, but they have no teeth to enforce them.

lulz you try and compare one of the most corrupt countries to what would happen to america less the EPA...

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

No beef you seem to have a severe case of confirmation bias is all.

What part about "fair enough" don't you understand?

If you agree with it you don't question it.

Agree with what, al Maliki kicking W out of Iraq? I'm glad he did. Obama didn't have to take over the reigns of an open war.

If you disagree you blast me for lying and call me names.

I said your "quote" was fabricated. Do you not see I'm implying you picked it up (like one of those conspiracy theories?)

I rarely fill posts with varying font sizes, colors, bold, etc so how am I blasting you?

I call you "me" or "itisme". Any examples or are you projecting like the "liar" thing?

I posted a counter to your calling me a liar.
That isn't being spiteful. That is trying to get the truth out.

The quote is a fabrication, you admitted it yourself. Liar is your word so sling it all you want. Try not to get any on ya.

I'm glad you're not spiteful. I'm not either so let's drop that one.

He ran against Bush and won, don't do the same damn thing.....
He didn't call off the AG and let them shut down dispensaries.

The AG hasn't been the protagonist. The DEA director and a few US attys have. That's no defense for the candidate who reminded us that pot is still illegal and he didn't agree with making it legal. You can make it all about one guy and how he'd choose to appropriate funds but then you'd have to ignore lots of other factors.

Ron Paul didn't infer he'd somewhat relax the status quot. Poor guy says he'll end the DEA. He could possibly lead congress but a 1 in 620 record tells me not to hold my breath.

Now they are stopping things like Amish Raw Milk

I already explained that one to you, me. It's major aggravating when you keep pounding the same dead horse over and over.

Every goddamn Amish fucker can drink raw milk. We can all drink raw milk. But when you sell it you have to make it safe for consumption because those folks drinking raw might are taking a slight risk. Industrialize your profit motive and you increase the risk exponentially.

You want raw milk? Take your pail to the fucking country and milk a goddamn cow. This is a politicized bulllshit episode that's supposed to get your blood boiling. A non-pasteurized milk borne illness would do more than bunch your undies.

while they create an FAA law allowing 30,000 drones over the US buy 2020.

I guess they want to keep an eye on the folks who love to discuss subversion. I already have a fucking camera everywhere I look, everywhere I go. I could care less if it sits on a pole or flies on a drone.

The Amish and raw milk along with weed have been around far longer and I am not to worried about them.....

Go to KFC. Get a double down. Watch yourself in the mirror while eating it. If you're gonna profit, the public doesn't have to accept your IMO subjective reasoning.

Why is that a big concern for the Gov't is what I feel others should ask themsevles.
I am much more worried about 30,000 drones and FEAM Camps that raw milk.
How about you?

How about what? Express an opinion so you can neg it?



Obama reappointed the same DEA chief but you'd have to assume he wanted to appoint somebody to lay off according to the statement you don't exactly take into full context. IMO, Obama picked who he thought would best run the DEA. There's no evidence he knew she'd say "fuck you" when the Ogden memo was released.

A Ron Paul presidency would run into the same wall Obama did - the apparatus. Ron Paul would paddle the same canoe upstream - against the opposition.

Ron Paul might get some things he wants but there's one thing certain - his unilateral power won't apply to everything he wants to do.

 

[mrcreosote]

Gee whilikers, we had Jerry Lee, Chuck and Screamin' Jay.

Lets also not forget that women were not in great numbers in the workplace, pushing up labor prices for men,total taxes were relatively low in single earner households and America was the only game in town to buy from because most of Europe and Japan were rubble.

Not a rocket science project to see what gradually feeding in twice the amount of workers and competition from foreign manufacturing into an economy will eventually lead to an imbalance in job/ labor ratios and shrinking wages.
Now add the efficiency of computers replacing people in many sectors and the game changes again.
Supply and demand is king, always was, always will be. Change or die.

Nothing in life is static.

America was Boss Hog in the 50's...Now we're ...pork rinds.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Trickle down economics has always been a joke, made up by the R's.

That's the public face. The part R lawmakers are less than willing to admit is that starve-the-beast policy hides behind trickle down rhetoric.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

reasonably assimilate??? do you mean infer? and why would you reasonably infer property rights automatically refers to "beefs" between J.landowner and state?

Because property rights against Joe No Landowner suggests Joe No just lost some equal rights.

Wouldn't you want your property rights to extend toward no lawmaker deciding to take it without fair compensation? You know, uproot your family and pay you only a potion of what the market suggests it's worth? Never mind.

property rights refers to your property and your rights thereof...

I know what it means. For one, it's code for the right to shoot somebody on your property w/o fear of prosecution from failure to prove deadly force was necessary.

Have you not ever seen banks throw folks out of their homes while the state did nothing? Are you aware of how many people were illegally forclosed upon and the states didn't do anything?

"Property rights" mantra goes back to reconstruction. I'm not saying property rights is exclusively about shooting people, it's the part I find particularly repulsive.

furthermore the state really shouldn't have any "beef" with landowners as long as they aren't infringing on the rights of other land owners...

i.e., don't shoot anybody unless it's on your own property.

regardless they wrote the best pair of documents, thus far, to give people a shot, at success, freedom, and individuality...

... and regulate commerce

... and promote the general welfare

no one here will says its perfect, but nothing ever will be, so stop living in a utopian dream... id rather take my chances in the big dangerous world without a big government bossing me around "for my protection"

#1 - Where this utopia stuff coming from? It's utopia for the top. If you think I pretend I'll ride their wing some day for slingin' the bullshit now, you don't know me very well.

If you like taking chances, why are you square up in the middle of the modern civilization your recent ancestry provided? One might think you'd be interested in a remote location with all the comforts of modern civilization so far away you'd seldom have to recall.

the newsletters have been proven to be garbage, not reflective of RON's view's, and he has more than once accepted responsibility for the lack of oversight.

relevance?

You just contradicted yourself. People don't typically wipe that kind of stuff off as easy as you suggest.

Worse case scenario, asleep-at-the-wheel didn't care who wrote under his name.

Worser case scenario, intolerance

Worst case scenario, profiting off intolerance.

your showing your ignorance/trollish ways DB

what a ridiculous statement

I don't blame you for being hurt. It's a shame that people consume this kind of literature and to think somebody's actually making a buck from it is disgusting.

The former newsletter office employee who acknowledged the association between big money and the really whacked stuff admitted they were alienating their libertarian supporters. Sounds like the monied fringe won out, at least until the last offensive, paranoid and subversive literature was distributed.


IMO, one of the more interesting presidential observations in the last 50 years...

Guy makes money from newsletter that among other subjects, discusses how to kill someone and get away with it.

Guy decides to run for president.

Some are so disaffected as if these newsletters never even happened.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Gee whilikers, we had Jerry Lee, Chuck and Screamin' Jay.

Lets also not forget that women were not in great numbers in the workplace, pushing up labor prices for men,

Lol. How does a demographic that makes less than we do push up our incomes? IMO, logic suggests the opposite.

total taxes were relatively low in single earner households and America was the only game in town to buy from because most of Europe and Japan were rubble.

Who's statistics i.e. narrative supports this?

Not a rocket science project to see what gradually feeding in twice the amount of workers and competition from foreign manufacturing into an economy will eventually lead to an imbalance in job/ labor ratios and shrinking wages.

So deprive opportunity from others so it's riper for the rest? That's what's been happening the last 3 decades. I'll venture it's cyclical. We'll manage to get some things straightened out like fairer taxes we'll and lose the idea that corporations can regulate themselves.

Several decades after we've forgotten how hard it is to wrest power from the rich, they'll buy it again. No conspiracy theory, just human greed.

Now add the efficiency of computers replacing people in many sectors and the game changes again.

You're absolutely right. Productivity reduces jobs, it doesn't increase them. Fortune 1000 hasn't added a net job in 30 years.

IMO, that fact is a big argument against supply-side.

Supply and demand is king, always was, always will be.

And when demand sinks, profit seekers grow dormant. It's like running your car out of gas. You put gas in the tank and activate the gas pump but that's not always enough to crank it. You might have to prime the ignition to get the system operating normally again.

You're right, supply and demand is key - for commerce i.e. the market. For the economy, demand is key for w/o demand, supply doesn't generate and we don't get jobs. With too few jobs, we can't effectively increase demand.

Nothing in life is static.

Maybe, with the exception of conservative constitutional interpretation.

America was Boss Hog in the 50's...Now we're ...pork rinds.

Boss Hog? The inbred corrupt hick?

 

[itisme]

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Is that "me" deftly navigating the danger?"

 

[itisme]

I think Ron Paul has a very good chance to taking way more delegates than the smedia would say.

He is considering Judge Napolitano. I love it but what will the detractors say?

Those that like Gary Johnson are ok with me.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

no, he's just jumped the shark again

 

[Snout]

Because property rights against Joe No Landowner suggests Joe No just lost some equal rights.

Wouldn't you want your property rights to extend toward no lawmaker deciding to take it without fair compensation? You know, uproot your family and pay you only a potion of what the market suggests it's worth? Never mind.

I know what it means. For one, it's code for the right to shoot somebody on your property w/o fear of prosecution from failure to prove deadly force was necessary.

I don't quite get what you're saying on the other sentences but as far as the last one, property refers to the individual. You yourself are property. No one should anothers life except in defense of a life.

"Property rights" mantra goes back to reconstruction. I'm not saying property rights is exclusively about shooting people, it's the part I find particularly repulsive.

Our country was founded on property rights. It's a shame the founders had to compromise in order to form a union of states.

i.e., don't shoot anybody unless it's on your own property.

... and regulate commerce

... and promote the general welfare

dont shoot anyone unless your life is in danger. I think many confuse specific welfare with general welfare.

#1 - Where this utopia stuff coming from? It's utopia for the top. If you think I pretend I'll ride their wing some day for slingin' the bullshit now, you don't know me very well.

It's utopia for the 1 percent because many people are apathetic or uninformed. Government uses force to get what they want. They make the rules. Making the rules is a lot better than knowing the rules.

Worse case scenario, asleep-at-the-wheel didn't care who wrote under his name.

Worser case scenario, intolerance

Worst case scenario, profiting off intolerance.

I don't blame you for being hurt. It's a shame that people consume this kind of literature and to think somebody's actually making a buck from it is disgusting.

Where are you getting your information from? How much did Ron Paul make off of the newsletters he lent his name too and did nothing more since it changed hands?
He felt morally obligated to get his name off the newsletters. That's as far as it goes.

The former newsletter office employee who acknowledged the association between big money and the really whacked stuff admitted they were alienating their libertarian supporters. Sounds like the monied fringe won out, at least until the last offensive, paranoid and subversive literature was distributed.

I don't know what specific event or events this refers too but since Paul didn't have one thing to do with the day to day operations of the business why blame him? The fault lies with the editor.

IMO, one of the more interesting presidential observations in the last 50 years...

Guy makes money from newsletter that among other subjects, discusses how to kill someone and get away with it.

Guy decides to run for president.

Some are so disaffected as if these newsletters never even happened.

lol This isn't true.

 

[Snout]

Obama campaigned to take the fight to Al Qaeda. This wasn't as opposed to Iraq. Obama inferred that W had taken his eye of OBL and Obama would not.

I don't no why Obama would only "infer" that since he could have outright said Bush let him go and he'd be spot on. Bush let Bin Laden slip through his fingers at Bora Bora. He even said getting him wasn't a priority at that time.

It's a shame when Bin Laden was killed the Obama administration felt the need to publicize it right away instead of using the information gathered in the raid to Americas advantage.

 

[itisme]

Cop's Marijuana Legalization Question Gets 1st Place in White House Video Contest
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0IpiATxdR4

I stole if from Al Botross's thread with that title. Good vid.

WASHINGTON, DC -- Today YouTube ignored a question advocating marijuana legalization from a retired LAPD deputy chief of police that won twice as many votes as any other video question in the White House's "Your Interview with the President" competition on the Google-owned site. They did, however, find the time to get the president on record about late night snacking, singing and dancing, celebrating wedding anniversaries and playing tennis.

Stephen Downing, the retired LAPD police officer and a board member of Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (LEAP), had this to say about the site ignoring his question: "It's worse than silly that YouTube and Google would waste the time of the president and of the American people discussing things like midnight snacks and playing tennis when there is a much more pressing question on the minds of the people who took the time to participate in voting on submissions. A majority of Americans now support legalizing marijuana to de-fund cartels and gangs, lower incarceration and arrest rates and save scarce public resources, all while generating new much-needed tax revenue. The time to discuss this issue is now. We're tired of this serious public policy crisis being pushed aside or laughed off."

The top-voted video question from Downing is as follows: "Mr. President, my name is Stephen Downing, and I'm a retired deputy chief of police from the Los Angeles Police Department. From my 20 years of experience I have come to see our country's drug policies as a failure and a complete waste of criminal justice resources. According to the Gallup Poll, the number of Americans who support legalizing and regulating marijuana now outnumbers those who support continuing prohibition. What do you say to this growing voter constituency that wants more changes to drug policy than you have delivered in your first term?" The question can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0IpiATxdR4.

Downing's question came in first place for video questions and ranked second out of all questions (with the overall top spot going to a text question about copyright infringement). Many of the other top-ranking questions were about marijuana policy or the failed "war on drugs," as has been the case every other time the White House has invited citizens to submit and vote on questions via the web.

Voting in the YouTube contest wrapped up Saturday at midnight EST. In addition to the top-voted marijuana and drug policy questions mentioned above, there were a number of other similar questions that received thousands of votes but were mysteriously deleted after being marked "inappropriate."

More information about the contest and the top-voted questions can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/whitehouse. The Gallup poll referenced in Downing's winning question can be found online at http://www.gallup.com/poll/150149/Record-High-Americans-Favor-Legalizing-Marijuana.aspx

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I don't quite get what you're saying on the other sentences but as far as the last one, property refers to the individual. You yourself are property. No one should anothers life except in defense of a life.

Our country was founded on property rights. It's a shame the founders had to compromise in order to form a union of states.

dont shoot anyone unless your life is in danger. I think many confuse specific welfare with general welfare.

It's utopia for the 1 percent because many people are apathetic or uninformed. Government uses force to get what they want. They make the rules. Making the rules is a lot better than knowing the rules.

Where are you getting your information from? How much did Ron Paul make off of the newsletters he lent his name too and did nothing more since it changed hands?
He felt morally obligated to get his name off the newsletters. That's as far as it goes.

I don't know what specific event this refers too but since Paul didn't have one thing to do with the day to day operations of the business why blame him? The fault lies with the editor.

lol This isn't true.

First time I heard of the property rights as self idea. I don't expect someone not to defend their life. I'd just hope they exercise the restraint to only do it when necessary.

So you're saying property rights trump civil rights?

As far as those news letters, it sounds like Ron is drifting farther away from them as we speak. "He lent his name to?" He takes credit for the stuff that doesn't piss people off.

Ron Paul reported ~$900,000 to the IRS from the newsletters in 1993 alone. Few businessmen have anything to do with business that changes hands. I hope you're not suggesting the Ron Paul newsletter business changed hands wile retaining the Ron Paul name. If you are, you're the only one.

I always wondered what got Ron out of the newsletter business. Grand dragons, white knights and neo nazis learned the hard way that traditional organizational methods made leaders, i.e. propagandists vulnerable. ACLU successfully prosecuted a KKK leader decades ago so loose and overtly leaderless affiliations are now the norm. They can get prison for just for disseminating subversive language if it's tied to illegal acts.

The capture of Ted Kazinski, the tragedy at Waco, the Oklahoma City bombing, I bet Ron's lawyer said to get out of the shocking newsletter business before somebody did something stupid and cited the newsletter as inspiration. All that KKK leader did was disseminate subversive propaganda. He didn't have to hurt anybody himself to go to prison.

 

[Snout]

You dont know who chicken little is?

You dont understand falseflag operations? I though you were one of the two people posting the conspiracy shit, i apologize if i was wrong.

if you were posting about conspiracies, do you think only militaries are capable of rattling everyone cage with Northwoods, Gulf of Tonken, Soviets shelling themselves from Finland, Germans shelling themselves from Poland, shall i continue?

I understand what the post was about, but i took exception with that false blurb. Its one thing to say it cost too much, its another to say the tax system is stretched too far. Mittens @ 13.9% isnt going to starve if they tripped his tax rate.

That Communist lover Eisenhower would tax his ass way more than 40%

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Clinton gets credit for lowering the investment from 28 to 20 percent.
The problem isn't revenue it's spending. The people spend their money more efficiently than the Federal Government.
The top 5 percent of earners pay 59 percent of the taxes. Dunno if that includes social security since Reagan redefined that for us as "insurance".

 

[SpasticGramps]

And when demand sinks, profit seekers grow dormant. It's like running your car out of gas. You put gas in the tank and activate the gas pump but that's not always enough to crank it. You might have to prime the ignition to get the system operating normally again.

I'm curious to see how many trillions and trillions and trillions of $ it's going to take to prime the system? Going to need a better effort from Bernanke the Mechanic to achieve escape velocity and a sustainable recovery. Not there yet.

Hopefully the car is just out of gas and it's not the fact that we haven't changed the oil in a long time and burned up the engine.

I think I saw the Mechanic Ben pumping high octane jet fuel into our 1950 Chevy truck too. Not sure how that's going to work, but he's the Mechanic.

 

[itisme]

Bernanke the Mechanic

Playing with his control mechanism.

Yep, A man or group of men can contol a market to keep it proper.

Property of a group of men. That's what we got. How else is everybody broke yet the Dow is at 13,000

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

I'm curious to see how many trillions and trillions and trillions of $ it's going to take to prime the system? Going to need a better effort from Bernanke the Mechanic to achieve escape velocity and a sustainable recovery. Not there yet.

Hopefully the car is just out of gas and it's not the fact that we haven't changed the oil in a long time and burned up the engine.

I think I saw the Mechanic Ben pumping high octane jet fuel into our 1950 Chevy truck too. Not sure how that's going to work, but he's the Mechanic.

Yep, the can of ether has turned into a tugboat fire hose. That starve-the-beast is a tough act to follow - literally.