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Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?

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zymos

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I have read multiple books too...Should I scan them in just so you know that too. VIDS are a great source thought. I know what one where BUSH admits he was NWO shut you up asking for fist hand info! Didn't it!

No! It obviously!Didn't!Shut me up!

Bush didn't "admit" anything. As both DiscoBiscuit and I have wasted time explaining. He just used one of your secret code words and your ears pricked up.

I can also find some videos where Bush "admits" he's a Republican ...
 

MadBuddhaAbuser

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I see them as connected and I have little to no doubt in my mind. I am very aware that many don't see what I see, I am also aware that many do.

The Bush's own 140,000 ACRES over the world's largest aquifier in Brazil. They bought about 65,000 under their daughters name while in office and bought the rest in theirs after they got out of office. THEY ARE SET UP FOR BLUE GOLD TOO! Brazil has a booming economy over the last 5 years or so...yet many companies are having to leave because the business enviroment over there requires so many bribes that most can't compete and have to leave. So I ask....HOW WERE THE BUSH's ABLE TO PULL OFF THAT PURCHASE? Anecdotal, yes.....Make you wonder....IT SHOULD!

Wtf?

I just said they made their fortunes through nefarious oil dealings. I'm the only one almost agreeing with you.

Listen to dave emory programs and come back, it's not a youtube video and goes much in depth then they could ever go.


You should also listen about family patriarch Prescott Bush who built the family empire by dealing with the nazis before, during, and after WW2. He helped to hide millions in stolen jewish gold for the nazis..


Real multi national conspiracies, no reynolds wrap needed.

You'll thank me.
 

itisme

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Bush didn't "admit" anything. As both DiscoBiscuit and I have wasted time explaining

...with unfounded excuses.

WHERE IS MY 1920, 1930, 1940, 1950, NWO LITERATURE AT??? BUST IT OUT!!! Or admit it is UNFOUNDED!
 

itisme

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MADBUDDAH. I am agreeing with you too. I am just giving you some more details...About the Bush's setting up for the next run!!!!

Your the only one in this thread, maybe. Their is another where thread where many agree with me and I am not a minority.
 

zymos

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...with unfounded excuses.

WHERE IS MY 1920, 1930, 1940, 1950, NWO LITERATURE AT??? BUST IT OUT!!! Or admit it is UNFOUNDED!

Read a fucking history book. Or use Google.

This isn't hidden secret info, it's just...info...
 

MadBuddhaAbuser

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AN element in Contol of the Gov't did 911...He states...Which is what I have said. This dude is onto something. He just hasn't make the spiritual conncection from what I hear.

Cool, listen lots. Ive been listening for years and still load up a fresh five hours everyday to take to work.

his primary concern involves a nazi flight capital organization controlled by martin bormann, and recommends reading martin bormann: nazi in exile as an introduction. I haven't, but listened to enough excerpts through thee years.

He also does much research about the bush bin laden saudi connection (through the carlyle group). As well as the muslim brotherhood.

It's pretty intense stuff.
 

itisme

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Read a fucking history book. Or use Google

You asked me for proof and I postd it. I ask you for info and you act like a jerk. If you were face to face with me I GAURANTEE you would not speak to me in that manner more than once without getting taken outside!

POST ME A BOOK YOU JERK!!! Give a good one!!! You two are dismissive jerks that are proabably both FREEMASONs and I know one of you is. Now don't think I beleive anything that you say if you are!

MADBUDDAH the NAZI and ILLUMINATI have many ties bro. READ UP ON SVALI (Germaon born ILLUMINATI) and others. All the stuff you guy is talking about he always says conspirators or things like that. I think he is doing like Ron Paul. You can't say the whole truth of the matter without souning a little crazy and it deals with Demons, Mind Control, Market Manipulation, Spells, and etc.

FAST AND FURIOUS- Guns to MEXICO- 50,000 drug gang deaths.....Our Gov't right in the HEART OF IT!
 

DiscoBiscuit

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You think all your caps, exclamations and demands don't make you look like a jerk? You're not helpless, you have the same internet.
 

zymos

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POST ME A BOOK YOU JERK!!! Give a good one!!! You two are dismissive jerks that are proabably both FREEMASONs and I know one of you is. Now don't think I beleive anything that you say if you are!

I CANT POST A BOOK! ITS THE INTERNETS!!

I can tell you again, just Google it like anyone else would.

Oh wait- I forgot. When you Google it, you mostly just get conspiracy rants.
I know.... Wikipedia!



This isn't from the 20's, but I found it interesting-

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/New_World_Order

"Its popularization among conspiracy theorists can be traced to over thirty years ago when "New World Order" appeared in the 1972 book None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen, a John Birch Society writer. Allen claimed it to be the "code word" which the International Communist ConspiracyTM would use when they were ready to unveil their secret plans for a socialist world government. This book was widely read in right-wing conspiracy-minded circles during the 1970s and is probably the source of the hysteria that later erupted over the term."
 

itisme

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You stated that there was literature from the 1920's and much before Regan.....
Yet you can't even name ONE book on the NWO from that timeframe.

unfounded [ʌnˈfaʊndɪd]
adj
1. (of ideas, allegations, etc.) baseless; groundless
2. not yet founded or established
unfoundedly adv
unfoundedness n


It seems your point is baseless unless you come up with me some literature from that timframe and you can't use WIKI or GOOGLE.....I don't need a history book to know they were not around then!

I am waiting on that book sir! Either one of you two can point me to one!!!!

Posting a WIKI link back to 1972 still makes your point unfounded!
 
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zymos

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You stated that there was literature from the 1920's on much befor Regan.....Yet you can't even name a book on the NWO from that timeframe.

Look- you just don't seem to be getting it.

You are asking for a book on the NWO in the 20's?
As in a book on the shadowy conspiracy that everyone always talks about??
But about their activities back then?

I never claimed any such thing. As we keep saying, there isn't any special secret significance to George Bush mentioning that phrase.


You could have just read the wikipedia article a couple of hours ago like I did to learn about the historical usage of the term before conspiracy theorists such as yourself took it over.

But then, I've enjoyed the conversation, so I'm kind of glad you didn't...
 

itisme

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So you are so blinded by conspiracy theories that you refuse to believe the phrase "New World Order" has had an established, political, non-conspiracy-theory meaning since the 1920's?

You got no evidence whatsover. That makes your above statement UNFOUNDED!!!

I just want you two to inform me. You told me, "READ A FUXXING BOOK" so name one that you got some info from or one I can read.... or stop making baseless deragatory comments towards me.

I posted my link when you said I made unfounded claims. YOUR TURN.
 

DiscoBiscuit

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History of the term


During the 20th century, many statesmen, such as Woodrow Wilson and Winston Churchill, used the term "new world order" to refer to a new period of history evidencing a dramatic change in world political thought and the balance of power after World War I and World War II. They all saw these periods as opportunities to implement idealistic proposals for global governance in the sense of new collective efforts to address worldwide problems that go beyond the capacity of individual nation-states to solve, while always respecting the right of nations to self-determination. These proposals led to the creation of international organizations, such as the United Nations and NATO, and international regimes, such as the Bretton Woods system and the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, which were calculated both to maintain a balance of power in favor of the United States as well as regularize cooperation between nations, in order to achieve a peaceful phase of capitalism. These creations in particular and liberal internationalism in general, however, would always be criticized and opposed by American ultraconservative business nationalists from the 1930s on.[8]

In the aftermath of the two World Wars, progressives welcomed these new international organizations and regimes but argued they suffered from a democratic deficit and therefore were inadequate to not only prevent another global war but also foster global justice. The United Nations was designed in 1945 by U.S. bankers and State Department planners, and was always intended to remain a free association of sovereign nation-states, not a transition to democratic world government. Thus, activists around the globe formed a world federalist movement hoping in vain to create a "real" new world order.[9]

In the 1940s, British writer and futurist H. G. Wells would go further than progressives by appropriating and redefining the term "new world order" as a synonym for the establishment of a technocratic world state and planned economy.[10] Despite the popularity of his ideas in some state socialist circles, Wells failed to exert a deeper and more lasting influence because he was unable to concentrate his energies on a direct appeal to intelligentsias who would, ultimately, have to coordinate a Wellsian new world order.[11]
Remember my earlier post that suggests major elements of power will trade power back and forth while the fringe promotes doom? I wonder if HG ran for president?

Bottom line, an opinion with a penchant for fiction writing imagines governments progress culminating in the worst possible scenario. (Whipping the froth....)

During the Red Scare of 1947–1957, agitators of the American secular and Christian right, influenced by the work of Canadian conspiracy theorist William Guy Carr, increasingly embraced and spread unfounded fears of Freemasons, Illuminati, and Jews being the driving force behind an "international communist conspiracy".
... politicizing the whipped froth.

The threat of "Godless communism" in the form of a state atheistic and bureaucratic collectivist world government, demonized as a "Red Menace", therefore became the main focus of apocalyptic millenarian conspiracism.
Trifecta! - global control, evil communism and the devil himself culminate into the ultimate conspiracy theory.

The Red Scare would shape one of the core ideas of the political right in the United States which is that liberals and progressives with their welfare-state policies and international cooperation programs such as foreign aid supposedly contribute to a gradual process of collectivism that will inevitably lead to nations being replaced with a communist one-world government.[12]
Ah, a side note. Party politics picks up the baloney to argue against the safety net, lol.

In the 1960s, right-wing populist individuals and groups with a producerist worldview, such as members of the John Birch Society, disseminated a great deal of conspiracy theories claiming that the governments of both the United States and the Soviet Union were controlled by a cabal of corporate internationalists, greedy bankers and corrupt politicians intent on using the United Nations as the vehicle to create the "One World Government". This right-wing anti-globalist conspiracism would fuel the Bircher campaign for U.S. withdrawal from the U.N.. American writer Mary M. Davison, in her 1966 booklet The Profound Revolution, traced the alleged New World Order conspiracy to the creation of the U.S. Federal Reserve System in 1913 by international bankers, who she claimed later formed the Council on Foreign Relations in 1921 as the shadow government. At the time the booklet was published, "international bankers" would have been interpreted by many readers as a reference to a postulated "international Jewish banking conspiracy" masterminded by the Rothschilds.[12]

Claiming that the term "New World Order" is used by a secretive elite dedicated to the destruction of all national sovereignties, American writer Gary Allen, in his 1971 book None Dare Call It Conspiracy, 1974 book Rockefeller: Campaigning for the New World Order and 1987 book Say "No!" to the New World Order, articulated the anti-globalist theme of much current right-wing populist conspiracism in the U.S.. Thus, after the fall of communism in the early 1990s, the main demonized scapegoat of the American far right shifted seamlessly from crypto-communists who plotted on behalf of the Red Menace to globalists who plot on behalf of the New World Order. The relatively painless nature of the shift was due to growing right-wing populist opposition to corporate internationalism but also in part to the basic underlying apocalyptic millenarian paradigm, which fed the Cold War and the witch-hunts of the McCarthy period.[12]

In his 11 September 1990 Toward a New World Order speech to a joint session of the U.S. Congress, President George H. W. Bush described his objectives for post-Cold-War global governance in cooperation with post-Soviet states:
Until now, the world we’ve known has been a world divided—a world of barbed wire and concrete block, conflict and cold war. Now, we can see a new world coming into view. A world in which there is the very real prospect of a new world order. In the words of Winston Churchill, a "world order" in which "the principles of justice and fair play ... protect the weak against the strong ..." A world where the United Nations, freed from cold war stalemate, is poised to fulfill the historic vision of its founders. A world in which freedom and respect for human rights find a home among all nations.
The New York Times observed that progressives were denouncing this new world order as a rationalization for American imperial ambitions in the Middle East, while conservatives rejected new security arrangements altogether and fulminated about any possibility of U.N. revival.[13] However, Chip Berlet, an American investigative reporter specializing in the study of right-wing movements in the U.S., writes:
When President Bush announced his new foreign policy would help build a New World Order, his phrasing surged through the Christian and secular hard right like an electric shock, since the phrase had been used to represent the dreaded collectivist One World Government for decades. Some Christians saw Bush as signaling the End Times betrayal by a world leader. Secular anticommunists saw a bold attempt to smash US sovereignty and impose a tyrannical collectivist system run by the United Nations.[12]
:laughing:

American televangelist Pat Robertson with his 1991 best-selling book The New World Order became the most prominent Christian popularizer of conspiracy theories about recent American history as a theater in which Wall Street, the Federal Reserve System, Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderberg Group, and Trilateral Commission control the flow of events from behind the scenes, nudging us constantly and covertly in the direction of world government for the Antichrist.[5]
Lay off the Pat juice.:)
Observers note that the galvanization of right-wing populist conspiracy theorists, such as Linda Thompson, Mark Koernke and Robert K. Spear, into militancy led to the rise of the militia movement, which spread its anti-government ideology through speeches at rallies and meetings, through books and videotapes sold at gun shows, through shortwave and satellite radio, and through fax networks and computer bulletin boards.[12]

However, overnight AM radio shows and viral propaganda on the Internet is what most effectively contributed to their extremist political ideas about the New World Order finding their way into the previously apolitical literature of many Kennedy assassinologists, ufologists, lost land theorists, and, most recently, occultists. The worldwide appeal of these subcultures then transmitted New World Order conspiracism like a "mind virus" to a large new audience of seekers of stigmatized knowledge from the mid-1990s on.[5] Hollywood conspiracy-thriller televisions shows and films also played a role in introducing a vast popular audience to various fringe theories related to New World Order conspiracism (black helicopter, FEMA “concentration camps”, etc.), which were previously confined to radical right-wing subcultures for decades. The 1993-2002 television series X-Files, the 1997 film Conspiracy Theory and the 1998 film The X-Files: Fight the Future are often cited as notable examples.[5]
After the turn of the 20th to 21st century, specifically during the late-2000s financial crisis, many politicians and pundits, such as Gordon Brown,[14] and Henry Kissinger,[15] used the term "new world order" in their advocacy for a comprehensive reform of the global financial system and their calls for a "New Bretton Woods", which takes into account emerging markets such as China and India. These declarations had the unintended consequence of providing fresh fodder for New World Order conspiracism, and culminated in talk show host Sean Hannity stating on his Fox News Channel program Hannity that "conspiracy theorists were right".[16]
:laughing:

Fox News in general, and its opinion show Glenn Beck in particular, have been repeatedly criticized by progressive media watchdog groups for not only mainstreaming the New World Order conspiracy theories of the radical right but possibly agitating its lone wolves into action.[17][18][19][20]

In 2009, American film directors Luke Meyer and Andrew Neel released New World Order, a critically acclaimed documentary film which explores the world of conspiracy theorists, such as American radio host Alex Jones, who are committed to exposing and vigorously opposing what they perceive to be an emerging New World Order.
What's in common with all these clowns? They're either trying (or once tried) to influence power or they're trying to sell advertising.
 

itisme

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I never claimed any such thing. As we keep saying, there isn't any special secret significance to George Bush mentioning that phrase.

So we should just listen to you. You know your interpretation is the right one. LMAO...The ego on some people.
...at least I just took his words at face value!

What makes you think I will take your interpretation over my own??? LOL!

WIKIPEDIA IS NOT PRE REGAN NWO LITERATURE!!!! DO YOU NOT KNOW ONE BOOK FROM THAT TIMEFRAME???? 50 YEARS TO CHOSE FROM!

It appears to me that you can't name one book in NWO PRE REGAN!!! and surely not in the 1920' and 30's! Maybe you should not demand I read one if you can't even offer one up to me!
 

zymos

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You got no evidence whatsover. That makes your above statement UNFOUNDED!!!

Oh for fucks sake!
I can't believe I'm actually doing this, but here already:

For those who have time to spend hours on this forum, but are apparently too lazy to use a search engine:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_World_Order_(conspiracy_theory)

"History of the term

During the 20th century, many statesmen, such as Woodrow Wilson and Winston Churchill, used the term "new world order" to refer to a new period of history evidencing a dramatic change in world political thought and the balance of power after World War I and World War II. They all saw these periods as opportunities to implement idealistic proposals for global governance in the sense of new collective efforts to address worldwide problems that go beyond the capacity of individual nation-states to solve, while always respecting the right of nations to self-determination. These proposals led to the creation of international organizations, such as the United Nations and NATO, and international regimes, such as the Bretton Woods system and the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade, which were calculated both to maintain a balance of power in favor of the United States as well as regularize cooperation between nations, in order to achieve a peaceful phase of capitalism. These creations in particular and liberal internationalism in general, however, would always be criticized and opposed by American ultraconservative business nationalists from the 1930s on.[8]
In the aftermath of the two World Wars, progressives welcomed these new international organizations and regimes but argued they suffered from a democratic deficit and therefore were inadequate to not only prevent another global war but also foster global justice. The United Nations was designed in 1945 by U.S. bankers and State Department planners, and was always intended to remain a free association of sovereign nation-states, not a transition to democratic world government. Thus, activists around the globe formed a world federalist movement hoping in vain to create a "real" new world order.[9]"
 

DiscoBiscuit

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So we should just listen to you. You know that statment is true. LMAO...The ego on some people.

What makes you think I will take your interpretation over my own??? LOL!

WIKIPEDIA IS NOT PRE REGAN NWO LITERATURE!!!!

Wiki is just a repository. The information is in the citations. They're like haystacks and you're looking for needles. The citations not only point to the needles, the text compiles them into readable form. It's just for your convenience.

Try refuting the citations as opposed to dissing wiki.

DO YOU NOT KNOW ONE BOOK FROM THAT TIMEFRAME????

1984

It appears to me that you can't name one book in NWO PRE REGAN!!! and surely not in the 1920' and 30's! Maybe you should not demand I read one if you can't even offer one up to me!

And you refuse to grasp that NWO was a concept before it turned into a conspiracy. You won't look at the wiki info because you already know that NWO the spook didn't come before NWO the idea.
 

zymos

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And you refuse to grasp that NWO was a concept before it turned into a conspiracy. You won't look at the wiki info because you already know that NWO the spook didn't come before NWO the idea.

I'm quoting this so I don't have to type it myself for the 5th time.
 
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