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Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?

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The roar of Ron Paul: Five of his unorthodox views on the economy

1. Federal budget deficits

From a statement released by Ron Paul on April 25, 2011:

"Last week the financial markets were roiled by Standard & Poor’s announcement that they will change their outlook on the fiscal health of the United States over the next two years from 'stable' to 'negative'....

"Even the most conservative budget that has been proposed by Republican leadership requires raising the debt ceiling by an additional $9 trillion by 2021. This demonstrates absolutely that no one in power right now has any real intention of addressing our spending problems or paying down the debt. They simply expect to continue to borrow and run up more debt forever, without limit.

"Yet they always imagine our dollar will have value no matter how many we print. This expectation is foolish and naïve. I guarantee that those buying our debt are not foolish and naïve enough to go along with this charade forever."

2. Taxes and the size government

From an interview with Cenk Uygur on MSNBC, March 2, 2011:

Uygur: What do you think should be the proper income tax rate?

Paul: Well, the best would be zero. I mean, we lived most of our history with zero income tax. But you would have to have the proper sized government. You would have to have the proper role for government.

You can't be the policeman of the world and not have an income tax. So I would not have all my troops around the world. I would be bringing the troops home.
And I wouldn't have a military industrial complex that demands so much, but I wouldn't have a welfare state either.

And under those conditions, you don't need an income tax. And I think that's the way it should be....

I think when people take money from you and give it to somebody else, that's the equivalent of stealing from you. I don't want to take any of your money. I want
you to invest it and create jobs.

3. The gold standard

From a congressional hearing, Sept. 17, 2000:

"A characteristic of paper money, of fiat money, is that some benefit and others lose. And a good example of this of how Wall Street benefits, certainly Wall Street is doing very well, but just the other day I had one of my shrimpers in my district call me. He says he's tying up his boat. His oil prices have more than doubled, and he can't afford it, so for now he will have to close down shop.

"So he suffers more than a person on Wall Street. So it is an unfair system. And this is not unusual; this is a characteristic well-known, that when you destroy and debase a currency, some people will suffer more than others....

"If you increase the supply of money, you have inflation."

4. Federal Reserve

From a congressional hearing, July 16, 2008:

"Our government tells us, well, there is no recession so things must be all right. A lot of people are very angry....

"From my viewpoint, what we need is a world-class dollar, you know, a dollar that is sound, not a dollar that continues to depreciate and not a system where we perpetually just resort to inflation and deficit-financing to bail out everybody. And this is what we've been doing.... The handwriting on the wall is, there's a limit to how many times we can bail the dollar out, because conditions are so much worse today than they have ever been.

"You know, we talk a lot about predatory lending, but I see the predatory lending coming from the Federal Reserve – interest at 1 percent, overnight rates, loaning to the banks, encouraging the banks and investors to do the wrong things, causing all the malinvestment."

5. Free markets

From a congressional hearing, March 24, 2009:

Paul: The question really comes out, who should allocate capital? Is it the free market, or should it be government? And I think that we had a system where the free market wasn't working, and we didn't have capitalism. The allocation of capital came from the direction of the Federal Reserve and a lot of rules and regulations by the Congress.

We had essentially no savings, and capital's supposed to come from savings; and we had artificially low interest rates. So look at all that, and this means we'd have to look differently at what our solutions should be. Everybody loves the boom. That was great. Nobody questions all this. But when the bust comes, everybody hates it.....

So where do you put the blame, on the market or on crony capitalism that we've been living with probably for three decades?

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke: Congressman, I certainly do not reject capitalism. I don't think this was a failure of capitalism per se.... It is nevertheless the case that we've seen over the decades and the centuries that financial systems can be prone to panics, runs, booms, busts. And for better or worse, we have developed mechanisms like deposit insurance and lender of last resort to try to avert those things. Those protections, in turn, require some oversight to avoid the build-up of risk....

Paul: Isn't that what creates the moral hazard, though? Isn't that the problem, rather than the solution?

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Electi...-views-on-the-economy/Federal-budget-deficits
 

bentom187

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No, it's all been outsourced. Why you ask? We are uncompetitive wage wise. We've gone from a productive command economy to a consumerist/fianacialized command economy. Yeah, that's sustainable lol. And we've overdosed on debt turning China into the productive state to feed our consumerism overdose.

IMHO, we've crossed the Rubicon...globally.

Mi-sallocation of capital is so absurd and distorted Jesus, nor Buddha, nor Horus, nor Zeus, nor the Easter Bunny will save us from the reversion to the mean right now.

Yeah, we've de-industrailzed our base, produce nothing, save nothing and expect to survive as a society.

Not a chance.

IMVHO.......the globe is bankrupt and this whole election is bread and circuses. It's time to pay the piper for our stateist dreams. It matters not which one man lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

We've reached the end of the debt super-cycle. That's the most salient point RP is making.


part of the problem is our welfare educational system, it puts flunkies in debt and the graduates leave.we flip the dime either way and the banks win,much like war from their view, they finance both sides and both aquire debt to the financer.

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dagnabit

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Care to back off on that " touting" , you might need to look up the definition of the word , 'cause I sure as hell am not " touting" Christian Reconstructionist philosophy.
touting the connection...
can you show me where this group is connected to the doc?


And I see it's back to the " you're stupid" line again , oh yeah you thinly disguised it as " you're willfully misinformed" , same old song and dance.
if you are gonna say incorrect things don't whine when you get called out on it as politely as possibly.

As goes abortion Paul has openly stated that he's against abortion. You can go roundy round all you want.
voting record and direct quotes were offered. care to refute with something other than your feelings?
i am against abortion as well,however i am more opposed to the government making laws based on morals. is this hard for you to digest?

Nor can you escape the fact that he borrowed scads of stuff from Rockwell but failed to learn the lessons available.
link?

And bottom line is that no matter how many of his warts and foibles are pointed out
they all have them as no human is perfect. we have to evaluate all available choices and select the ones that most closely represent our positions.
or we can throw ourselves on the floor and have a fit because none are perfect.
the former is more adult than the latter
, his racist stances in the past , the fact that his structure would inevitably end up even more top heavy than this one , that it would accentuate the already out of control " haves versus the have nots" syndrome
maybe the government should outlaw income disparity?


........no matter what you've gotten on his bandwagon. That's your choice , it's not mine.
call it what you will.
i call it research and selection.
i call your decision not to find information on your own sheepery.
(this is based on your errors about the docs SS plan)

Here's an irony for you , some Ron Paul supporters closely resemble fundamentalist Christians in their fanaticism and willingness to take the low road should someone dare to state they don't much care for the man.
i·ro·ny/ˈīrənē/Noun: The expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
does not apply.
btw this is not the "low road".
the low road is the racist bullshit the media tries
the low road is calling polite correction of misinformation an attack
the low road is calling well reasoned supporters fanatics
the low road is not choosing for yourself but trying to choose for others
the low road is touting unsubstantiated connections
the low road is remaining militantly ignorant when faced with facts
the low road is ignoring voting record and direct quotes for what you want to be true(kinda like an Xtian fundy or a creationist)
i could go on but the point is you are running the low road toll booth at the moment

And this went 'bout as usual , I should have trotted my stupid , unAmerican , uneducated , shiftless , must be a demorepublileraconserval on along and left folks to their new version of .....
come down from the cross..
no one has called you any of those things.pull up your big girl panties and dont be so fucking sensitive.
if you believe we have been mean to you or if your feelings are hurt you need to try testosterone replacement.
just look at some of mine and DB's debates to see what real uncivilized discourse looks like ;)
 

itisme

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AGENDA 21 ANYBODY HEARD OF IT??
AKA Bill 13575, which adds up to??? NO PROPERTY RIGHTS and the number 21 EX.b

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEzbQotyu9k&feature=share BEST PERSON TO RESEARCH HOW TO FIGHT AGENDA 21!!!

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ida...r-epa-say-they-cant-build-home-their-own-land

RESEARCH AGENDA 21 / BILL 13575 I am begging you to! CODE for AGENDA 21 are the terms SMART GROWTH, SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT, HIGH INTENSITY URBAN DEVELOPMENTS.....This lady stumbled into the "snake den" as she describes it...She is a Forensic Property Law Researcher for LEGAL MATTERS and discovered that people can no longer develop their own land and only a few "connected, HOW U TELL ME" people are allowed any contracts in her area on ONE BAY CALIFORNIA!!! I think it was.....

http://www.santarosaneighborhoodcoalition.com/video-and-smear.html

http://www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/

G. H. Bush created the North American Union (NAM) Ignores borders of Mexico, US, and Canada! Research it. The have EU, NAM,

http://www.iclei.org/index.php?id=global-contact-us

Find out which local officials are pushing AGENDA 21 and realize that your property rights are a major part of your freedom in the US. Ron Paul is preaching about give us stronger property rights, not less!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTYgmM53rCc&feature=fvst
 
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itisme

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Snoop Dogg posts a great picture about RP on Facebook...

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...137458029806.111105.11455644806&type=1&ref=nf

13 million followers. Freedom is popular!

Snoop Dogg knows who Ron Paul is fighting. The Illuminati :D Look up Tupac Shackur info...He was a Revolutioary! Youtube Illuminati and Dave Chapelle, Martin Lawrence, Michael Jackson are all people that fought them.

Dre, Eminem, Jay Z, Kanye, Rhianna, Beyonce well LEBRON JAMES (new Heat Jersey in Embrace the NWO)you look up up and research it...I don't wanna ruin the scary truth. I actually thought Michael Jackson was crazy, he wasn't. He was set up just like Tupac.

Also research Professor Griff
http://www.google.com/search?source....,cf.osb&fp=df6e3d2b8550ae11&biw=1280&bih=929
 
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itisme

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RON PAUL CONFIRMS NEW WORLD ORDER!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZakTX3dGeE&feature=share

G. H. Bush and North American Union.... NWO order speech! LOOK IT UP!!!

1 DAY BEFORE 911 WTC Attacks, An Amazing Thing Happened
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_p92dECEpQ&feature=share\

25% of Military budget not accounted for? What? Then massive increasses since!

Can't track 2.3 TRILLION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AGENDA 21 ANYBODY HEARD OF IT??
AKA Bill 13575, which adds up to??? NO PROPERTY RIGHTS and the number 21 EX.b

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEzbQ...&feature=share BEST PERSON TO RESEARCH HOW TO FIGHT AGENDA 21!!!
 
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TribalSeeds

Snoop Dogg knows who Ron Paul is fighting. The Illuminati :D Look up Tupac Shackur info...He was a Revolutioary! Youtube Illuminati and Dave Chapelle, Martin Lawrence, Michael Jackson are all people that fought them while, Dre, Eminem, Jay Z, Kanye, Rhianna, Beyonce well LEBRON JAMES (new Heat Jersey in Embrace the NWO)you look up up and research it...I don't wanna ruin the scary truth. I actually thought Michael Jackson was crazy, he wasn't. He was set up just like Tupac.

Also research Professor Griff
http://www.google.com/search?source....,cf.osb&fp=df6e3d2b8550ae11&biw=1280&bih=929

Snoop, Dave Chapelle, Martin Lawrence, Michael Jackson, Dre, Eminem, Jay Z, Kanye, Rhianna, Beyonce and especially Lebron James are some of the most educated, well researched and intelligent people in history, anything they say I believe, and every product they endorse, I buy! :tiphat:
2Pac is still alive BTW
 

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What baffles me is how everyone is so concerned about the economy yet, no one seems to care for him even when he wants to cut over a trillion dollars immediately the first year. If anyone has watched any of the debates, all the candidates except Ron Paul, are so very eager to go to war. This country is fucked without him, period.. Only chance to turn this nation around.


We are ruled by corporatism, not democracy. The vote matters, but not that much. It is the illusion of Freedom through multiple choice. We get to chose from what a group of corporate lobbyist tell us to chose from. They say "Ok kids, you can pick the candy from my left hand or my right hand." When in their pockets they have hundreds of times more money than what the all of the candy cost; and in there minds they are only letting you chose and have a piece of candy to shut you up so they can keep doing what ever it is they are trying to accomplish.

voting for democrats or republicans is like taking distraction candy from mom.
 
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whodare

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call it what you will.
i call it research and selection.
i call your decision not to find information on your own sheepery.
(this is based on your errors about the docs SS plan)



does not apply.
btw this is not the "low road".
the low road is the racist bullshit the media tries
the low road is calling polite correction of misinformation an attack
the low road is calling well reasoned supporters fanatics
the low road is not choosing for yourself but trying to choose for others
the low road is touting unsubstantiated connections
the low road is remaining militantly ignorant when faced with facts
the low road is ignoring voting record and direct quotes for what you want to be true(kinda like an Xtian fundy or a creationist)
i could go on but the point is you are running the low road toll booth at the moment


come down from the cross..
no one has called you any of those things.pull up your big girl panties and dont be so fucking sensitive.
if you believe we have been mean to you or if your feelings are hurt you need to try testosterone replacement.
just look at some of mine and DB's debates to see what real uncivilized discourse looks like ;)

:tiphat:
 

resinryder

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Newt and his guys are all heart. Check out what they did to this guy.

Story by Chris Moody | The Ticket

WINDERMERE, Fla.--Next time, Eddie Dillard won't wear flip-flops.

Dillard, a 29-year-old Ron Paul supporter from this suburb near Orlando, arrived to vote at his precinct at Winderemere Baptist Church early Tuesday morning. Pulling into the parking lot, Dillard noticed a man outside the polling place with a Gingrich sign. He decided to run home, slip into his "Ron Paul Rocks America" T-shirt, grab a "Ron Paul 2012" sign from his garage, and return to give his candidate some representation outside the precinct after he cast his vote.

Dillard found a quiet spot along a sidewalk lined with tiny American flags and held up his sign. Little did he know, Newt Gingrich had chosen that very spot to make his first Primary Day campaign stop.

When Gingrich's bus pulled up, Dillard stood silently holding his sign and watched the news-media horde swamp the candidate. Gingrich stepped down from the bus and made a beeline for Dillard. He stopped in front of Dillard and his sign and parked himself for a round of handshaking and pictures with voters. The placement couldn't have been worse. There was Gingrich, standing with his wife Callista at their first event of the day, and a giant Ron Paul sign floated inches from their crowns.

Noticing the awkward optics, Gingrich aides and security personnel swarmed Dillard, trying to intimidate him into moving. One of Gingrich's security agents stepped in front of him. When Dillard didn't budge, the agent lifted his heeled shoe over Dillard's bare foot and dug the back of it into his skin, twisting it side-to-side like he was stomping out a cigarette. Shocked, Dillard kept his ground and took a picture of the agent with his phone, which was quickly knocked out of his hand. Dillard slipped off his flip-flop to pick up the phone with his foot, and a Gingrich supporter kicked the sandal away.

"Don't kick me!" Dillard said to the man who knocked away his sandal. More members of Gingrich's security retinue approached, shoving their shoulders and chests in front of him.

"Just block him!" a Gingrich campaign aide said. "Everyone step on his toes!"

Gingrich supporters handed a "Newt 2012" yard sign up to the front to put in front of Dillard's Paul sign. The two signs, zipping back and forth inches from Gingrich's head, circled each other in the air like a fighter jets in a dogfight.

When the candidate finished taking pictures with voters, furious Gingrich aides grilled Dillard.

"If we did this to you, you guys would be furious," said an aide before stomping back toward the bus. "They have no class. No class."

As Gingrich pulled away, Dillard looked down at his foot. With the adrenaline pumping, he hadn't noticed the pain, but now it was starting to sink in. A bruise was forming, and there was a cut mark where the security agent had dug in his heel.

"That was really something," Dillard said afterwards. "My heart's racing. Not what I expected to happen today."
 

whodare

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~2500 delegates total

available to Salamander Newt
and Evangelical Rick
~2000

needed to win nomination ~1250

Percent of available delegates needed
for newt or rick to win not accounting for delegates that will choose RON or mitt
~60%
 

GP73LPC

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Tell me about it.... Romney's machine has spent like $15,000,000.00 in Florida alone.

and Obama is supposed to have $1,000,000,000.00 for the general...

guess who's gonna win...
 

Hash Zeppelin

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^what a huge waste of money. How many jobs are corporations sacrificing to donate that money?
 
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