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Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread
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shushslo
Nepalese x Bushman or Mauritius ???
lasko's cross.
lasko's cross.
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ptg
Gorgeous one AH!Quite resinous and beautiful flowers,i could almost smell them,and also feel the strong sun wich hit them! 
Lovely leaves on this one shushslo!Really sativa!
I wanna thanks Highliter,Ras pablo,gkn and all the others i forgot for their kind comments on the previous page!
Peace!
Lovely leaves on this one shushslo!Really sativa!
I wanna thanks Highliter,Ras pablo,gkn and all the others i forgot for their kind comments on the previous page!
Peace!
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HeryRhom
mmh a dreaming africans' cross... big up Ah 
with nice early resin, promising! im also curious to see how principal cola will be...
Glad to share man', and delighted to meet you there Mriko since the vibes that I miss ...
I take this opportunity to tell you that I have kept the strawberry phéno MIS remember... I test the repro f2 also hoping to find a male approaching the mother of terpenes. ++ kenavo
with nice early resin, promising! im also curious to see how principal cola will be... Glad to share man', and delighted to meet you there Mriko since the vibes that I miss ... I take this opportunity to tell you that I have kept the strawberry phéno MIS remember... I test the repro f2 also hoping to find a male approaching the mother of terpenes.
++ kenavo
...To see this flood of pure sativa,keep them comin' guys!So great to see such plants grown indoor...and very well grown!
Prajna,it's good to know you found a very potent pheno of pahari,maybe i should try all the seeds i have left!
Thule,thanks bro!
C21h0o2:man you are right,i belive you should have two main pheno(+ all intermediates) in the f2,one very tall and long flowering(Koh Chang side) and another wich should lean more on the meao thai,wich,from what i have seen,should be more compact,easier to grow(less sensitive than thai landrace) and maybe a bit earlier.Awesome work made by Charlie Garcia on the Meao thai,the best pure thai inbreeded that i ever see.A friend have an expression for this kind of work,it feat exactly,it's"a labour of love"!
the meao is the more potent of the two, yes? what is characteristic of the high on the kon chang side of the cross? what are you searching for in your f2s?!?!
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ptg
Sorry if my post was confusing,but actually i have tried none of them...just seen pics...but there is obvious differences between both...here is a pic of the Koh chang thai,seems my double thai looks really similar right now...For your questions you should ask Dubi from Ace or Charlie Garcia wich is the father of the Meao thai...
No,i won't do any f2 of DT...but maybe of the cross i made with it...
...however,if i would search for something in the f2's,it would be a pure boy leaning on the Koh Chang side...to cross him with landraces straight from Sout East Asia...Just wanna add a pic of my lao girl,right after harvest:
Beautiful ptg!!My Haze x (Angola Roja x Banghi)
Nepal/Jamaica x Oaxaca
prajnaparamita
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Prajnaparamita, woohoo, excellent choice of genetics! The Mama Thai has been on my want list for quite some time now. If you say it's a good daytime smoke I'm even more interested. Can you give us some datails on growing her? Flowering time etc.
How would you describe the malawi high? I'm curious to know what I'll be smoking next summer..
The Mama Thai is great. Can smoke it all day long. Pleasant, spicy. Still allows you to do things. Happy smoke.
On growing, I would say it's hardy and can take a bit of a beating, compared to the other two. (Although the Malawi/Thai is good, too). The Mama Thai is really hard to keep down. I grow in 10oz, 16oz, 2.6L and 1.7gallon pots, keeping them in smaller pots as long as possible. In my original from-seedbank seeds I started LST way to late, and I ended up with a stalk straight up, then a circular top about 4' high and 4' diameter
This time, they've all been LST'ed from about the 4th-5th internode, and that has helped, but you're still pinching like mad to keep the Thais short. I also keep them (especially during stretch) very low on N, so they're a bit of a handful. However, they pack up really well. All go about 16-20 weeks (I rather go late than early)
The Malawi and the Pahari are real trippy. As in completely forgetting what you were doing, 5 secs after you got up. Got a strong rush, too. Also spicy. The Pahari smells like the charas I used to smoke in India, and is a bit calmer. I don't want to sound too stereotypical, but it does feel like the Mama Thai is like a SEAsian tropical beach, Pahari like sitting with the babas smoking a chillum on a Himalayan mountaintop, and the Malawi some crazy jungle sh-t I don't understand anything about...
)I love how all three almost smoke like incense through the house, in a spicy sandalwood sort of way. First couple of nights I could barely sleep, and once I did I had the craziest dreams...
) All cool, though.----
beautiful plants, everybody. This thread and the Sat Grow thread have taught me more than any books ever did.
cosmiccowboy
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this guy knows what he's talkin about..
If that is the guy I think it is he actually didn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. Though I won't dispute the above posting since it's about the local scene in recent times which I really made no mention of. I will take exception the 80's bit however.
People just do not understand that prior to the 80's people were not making very good homegrown. It was a tiny percentage of the pie and was usually terrible. If you want to see what it homegrown from appalachia looked like in the 70's you can watch "acapulco gold" the documentary and see the panama red that hill billy is chopping and bricking about 9 weeks into VEG.
What do they think they were growing? You can't grow acapulco gold or panama red at that latitude. They just don't finish. To think that since the 20's old timers were smoking up good grass from that area is just unsubstantiated. Hemp maybe, lots of hemp was grown in that area since well before the 20's and into colonial times. But not good grass. Indicas and other genes that could finish in the area were available to a very small group of people, (Primarily smugglers and traveling hippies) and most of them were not country folk living out in the mountains. After all lets remember the indicas of the day were sold as hashish, which does not contain seeds.
Prior to '78 (I think that was the year) when AWAC (airborn warning and control) started being used against smugglers there was a tiny, TINY homegrown niche market. And it came from the coasts of California, Hawaii, and the tip of Florida. Which all happen to be the rare geographic places in the US that the strains of those days could finish into something worth smoking.
Applachia, I'm sorry to tell you was in fact watching the economic success of California with pot before they started growing indica'd up genes of things that made it that way in the early 80's. With a telescope? Of course not. They knew by the price of the weed they bought and once they got indica'd up genes I'm sure they did grown them. But that was not in the 20's.
Florida was a huge smuggling hub and the tip of it stays in a tropical photoperiod, California was the epicenter of the counter culture movement and the coast was warm enough for sativas, and traveling surfers took advantage of Hawaii's tropical climate. You understand all of these regions have cultural and geographic reasons for being the first places homegrown showed up. Applachia however, is not on that list.
Pot began being grown there not because of traveling surfers, it being a major smuggling port, or where hippes decided to settle down. It began being grown because the area is extremely economically depressed, and growing pot is a good way to make money. But "homegrown" was not a major factor in production virtually anywhere in the US until the major smuggling routes were ended, and that did not happen until the early 80s.
People just do not understand that prior to the 80's people were not making very good homegrown. It was a tiny percentage of the pie and was usually terrible. If you want to see what it homegrown from appalachia looked like in the 70's you can watch "acapulco gold" the documentary and see the panama red that hill billy is chopping and bricking about 9 weeks into VEG.
What do they think they were growing? You can't grow acapulco gold or panama red at that latitude. They just don't finish. To think that since the 20's old timers were smoking up good grass from that area is just unsubstantiated. Hemp maybe, lots of hemp was grown in that area since well before the 20's and into colonial times. But not good grass. Indicas and other genes that could finish in the area were available to a very small group of people, (Primarily smugglers and traveling hippies) and most of them were not country folk living out in the mountains. After all lets remember the indicas of the day were sold as hashish, which does not contain seeds.
Prior to '78 (I think that was the year) when AWAC (airborn warning and control) started being used against smugglers there was a tiny, TINY homegrown niche market. And it came from the coasts of California, Hawaii, and the tip of Florida. Which all happen to be the rare geographic places in the US that the strains of those days could finish into something worth smoking.
Applachia, I'm sorry to tell you was in fact watching the economic success of California with pot before they started growing indica'd up genes of things that made it that way in the early 80's. With a telescope? Of course not. They knew by the price of the weed they bought and once they got indica'd up genes I'm sure they did grown them. But that was not in the 20's.
Florida was a huge smuggling hub and the tip of it stays in a tropical photoperiod, California was the epicenter of the counter culture movement and the coast was warm enough for sativas, and traveling surfers took advantage of Hawaii's tropical climate. You understand all of these regions have cultural and geographic reasons for being the first places homegrown showed up. Applachia however, is not on that list.
Pot began being grown there not because of traveling surfers, it being a major smuggling port, or where hippes decided to settle down. It began being grown because the area is extremely economically depressed, and growing pot is a good way to make money. But "homegrown" was not a major factor in production virtually anywhere in the US until the major smuggling routes were ended, and that did not happen until the early 80s.
Appalachia has been a player on the underground East Coast scene since at least 1955.
And East Coast Hipsters have been growing outdoors since then also, though nothing on the same scale as the West Coast, granted.
See, the thing is that after the end of WWII (1945) a hugh influx of Appalachian Hillbillies headed North and flooded the city of Baltimore due to the well-paying factory jobs that were plentiful at the time.
These same Hillbillies also had families back home and they visited back and forth, here and there.
Now, the eastern edge of this newly created Hillbilly ghetto in Baltimore abutted a small, upper-class neighborhood which included a well known art college and was the Hipster center in town at that time.
The thing that united these two diverse groups was the local bars, which were plentiful at that time.
The art scene Hipsters bought pot from the Hillbillies, I know, and some of those same Hillbillies also became Hipsters themselves.
The Hipsters also traveled regularly to Greenwich Village, NY for the Jazz scene and had a lot of pot contacts there also, so stuff (with seeds) came back and could easily have made its way back to Appalachia given the way networks tend to operate.
So my guess would be that the generic 'landrace' Appalachian stuff currently around today is most likely an aclimatized mix of a semi-potent old hemp infused with potent Mexican strains.
And East Coast Hipsters have been growing outdoors since then also, though nothing on the same scale as the West Coast, granted.
See, the thing is that after the end of WWII (1945) a hugh influx of Appalachian Hillbillies headed North and flooded the city of Baltimore due to the well-paying factory jobs that were plentiful at the time.
These same Hillbillies also had families back home and they visited back and forth, here and there.
Now, the eastern edge of this newly created Hillbilly ghetto in Baltimore abutted a small, upper-class neighborhood which included a well known art college and was the Hipster center in town at that time.
The thing that united these two diverse groups was the local bars, which were plentiful at that time.
The art scene Hipsters bought pot from the Hillbillies, I know, and some of those same Hillbillies also became Hipsters themselves.
The Hipsters also traveled regularly to Greenwich Village, NY for the Jazz scene and had a lot of pot contacts there also, so stuff (with seeds) came back and could easily have made its way back to Appalachia given the way networks tend to operate.
So my guess would be that the generic 'landrace' Appalachian stuff currently around today is most likely an aclimatized mix of a semi-potent old hemp infused with potent Mexican strains.
RollmeoneKenobi
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I have to agree with Motaco. If the hillbillies were smoking something other than rope; then the counterculture would have had more of Appalachian influence. I.e. Hippies playing banjos , and singing bluegrass. But the reality is that the early Hippies were into Jazz showing a more Afrocentric influence( Jazz musicians from New Orleans would have easy access to Caribbean Sativas coming to that port) Hillbillies may have grown and smoked hemp, but the primary intoxicant of that culture is moonshine. Which stems from the Scots/ Irish peoples that are the ancestors of most of the Appalachia.
Now at the bars were hippies and hillbillies mingled with in Baltimore. Yes, they would have smoked together , but it was the hillbilles getting the seeds from the hippie art students. Those good 'ole country boys would have seen the value in the more potent seedstock to take back to the mountains. Where as the art students would have just thrown them away as trash; since most had never grew anything in their entire lives.
Now at the bars were hippies and hillbillies mingled with in Baltimore. Yes, they would have smoked together , but it was the hillbilles getting the seeds from the hippie art students. Those good 'ole country boys would have seen the value in the more potent seedstock to take back to the mountains. Where as the art students would have just thrown them away as trash; since most had never grew anything in their entire lives.
Well I have no idea of that sort of thing. I mean I suppose all over the country at various points people have put down a few seeds from their bags. I still don't see how mexican sativas from the 50's would finish in appalachia but I don't guess it matters.
What I mean when I say about regional strains is that they have to exist in an amount for it to be relevant to the community. Roadkill skunk, Kryptonite, or Gainesville Green for instance. A Thai and Hawaiian cross grown in Florida. Of course all of the old famous cali grass that I don't have to name, and lots of famous Hawaiian. Kona gold, maui waui, etc.
This stuff went all across the nation and was famous. It was grown in quantities that could give itself a name in the market. I'm not saying no pot was ever grown in appalachia prior to the 80's. Of course not. I'm saying I doubt there was any major trade coming from the area (for one thing because it's too far north for the sativas to even finish) and that it's unlikely one of those strains from the 50's was passed down through the generations into modern times, or even into the late 70's. But even if it was, it still wouldn't make it relevant in comparison to something like Maui Waui, or some other gem of the era. Grown to maturity in a condusive enviornment. The real issue is latitude, and at that latitude it takes indica'd up genes to finish. And indica genes were not available to regular folk until the 80s.
Those homegrowns would sell for near $200 dollars an ounce when prime Colombian would sell for $50, and even at those price they were highly sought after. Legends like that didn't come out of Appalachia, and in fact you didn't hear much about Appalachia until the mid 80s. Then you find Herijuana, and several others, but they were all indica'd up genetics as far as I know.
What I mean when I say about regional strains is that they have to exist in an amount for it to be relevant to the community. Roadkill skunk, Kryptonite, or Gainesville Green for instance. A Thai and Hawaiian cross grown in Florida. Of course all of the old famous cali grass that I don't have to name, and lots of famous Hawaiian. Kona gold, maui waui, etc.
This stuff went all across the nation and was famous. It was grown in quantities that could give itself a name in the market. I'm not saying no pot was ever grown in appalachia prior to the 80's. Of course not. I'm saying I doubt there was any major trade coming from the area (for one thing because it's too far north for the sativas to even finish) and that it's unlikely one of those strains from the 50's was passed down through the generations into modern times, or even into the late 70's. But even if it was, it still wouldn't make it relevant in comparison to something like Maui Waui, or some other gem of the era. Grown to maturity in a condusive enviornment. The real issue is latitude, and at that latitude it takes indica'd up genes to finish. And indica genes were not available to regular folk until the 80s.
Those homegrowns would sell for near $200 dollars an ounce when prime Colombian would sell for $50, and even at those price they were highly sought after. Legends like that didn't come out of Appalachia, and in fact you didn't hear much about Appalachia until the mid 80s. Then you find Herijuana, and several others, but they were all indica'd up genetics as far as I know.
Crispywaffle
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This is one of the best threads I have ever seen.
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Good to have you back, motaco.
I just finished the book 'Orange Sunshine that came out last month, about the Brotherhood of Eternal Love, the biggest hippie smuggling force of the 60's-70's.
Just felt it a good time to run a couple of excerpts here:
and another:
For more on the BoEL, check out the thread in my sig.
I just finished the book 'Orange Sunshine that came out last month, about the Brotherhood of Eternal Love, the biggest hippie smuggling force of the 60's-70's.
Just felt it a good time to run a couple of excerpts here:
and another:
For more on the BoEL, check out the thread in my sig.
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