Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread

[parker]

bdh/ Blue dream Haze

bdh/ Blue dream Haze

I have 13 vegged-in 4 foot sativa girls that went into greenhouse 10 days ago. The ceiling is 9 feet so I'm asking if anyone can tell me anything about this strain. Got them as clones from Tim Leary_ _, about 2-3 months ago. Am experienced.
Thank you.

 

[Guest]

I like sativas with a clear heady buzz in daytime, some potent sativa dom hybrid in the evenings to get nicely mashed up and chill out then some heavy indica before bedtime for a nice restful sleep. I'd prefer hashish to indica buds but quality hashish is rare as rocking horse poop and hen's teeth these days.

I would love to find a strain that would give me that clear heady high, but I haven't found one yet. I just harvested a MNS SuperSilverHaze and Seedsman Skunk Haze....hazey phenos of each. They are no doubt potent if one defines "potent" meaning it takes damn little to catch a buzz. However, they don't give me that giddy, giggly feeling I used to get from the Columbian sativas we got back in the mid 70's.

Funny I was at that site that Zamalito moderates. They advertise a strain there called: Colombian Punto Rojo with this description:

SATIVA/INDICA: Pure Sativa
Indoor/Greenhouse finish: 18-26 weeks
Outdoor Finish: Late Dec/Jan, at 30 degrees and south
odour Level: Low
Mite Resistance: Low
Mould Resistance: High
Stretch: 3x and greater
Yield:: High
Skill level: Experience with landrace Sativas

Seeds: 12 Per Pack

Punto Rojo Colombian is a rare and distinctive cannabis genotype found in the coastal and central highland regions of Colombia.

Translated as 'red point' from Spanish, Punto Rojo is a very high energy pure Sativa that was regarded as a boutique speciality kept by the local farmers as a favourite for personal use. This line was selected from the best of the regions Punto Rojos.

This line is one of the most rare and special of Colombian highland Sativas and we are thrilled to be able to make them available to the world's Cannabis lovers.

These seeds were collected in Colombia in December 2002 on the western slopes of the Andes Mountains near the city of Cali, upland from the Pacific coast. It can be found on the northern slopes near the Caribbean coast as well.

The finished herbs in Colombia are a gorgeous shade of mauve, pinkish rose with faint gold and red hues also present. Flowers are relatively small be extremely numerous on a fully grown field specimen.

This Punto Rojo line effects can only be described as a 'no ceiling' effect whereby the user can continually use and not find a diminishing return from tolerance. Highly psychoactive and mentally energetic.

Uncontrollable laughter has been known to occur, particularly with users new to the pure Sativa experience. Daytime use can give the user an edgy, racy feeling that could lead to undue paranoia but becoming more familiar with its effects can subdue that tendency. Heartbeat is increased with sweaty palms and forehead usually from fully matured, outdoor grown samples. Night time use can readily prevent sleep as the mind is too active to fully relax. It is very potent natural medicine to be treated with respect.

This special line is wonderful herbal inspiration for musician's, writer's, and artists. Flavours range from a mango type fruitiness to a spiciness that defies description with a swirl of semi-familiar notes. A tropical pot-pourri that requires an extensive cure to calm down a hay like harshness at harvest. Effect is generally not immediate and may seduce the user to take in more than necessary while waiting on its arrival.

The delayed, creeper onset can result in disorientation and momentary confusion over everyday situations. This smooths out beautifully as the elevator effect takes the smoker out of their mundane concerns and replaces any adverse condition of one's attitude with a feeling of happiness and positive mental outlook that stimulates the creative centre of the brain and motivates the user to accomplish the day's tasks with composed energy.

A truly world class breeding line and a connoisseur cultivators dream. The seed lot is a first generation accession from the original field collected lines.

All Breeders Choice seeds are made using only fully organic or bio-organic cultivation practises, at no time in the history of this Punto Rojo line has any chemical product or pre packaged product of any type been used.​

This is what I would like to grow. The part in BOLD lettering is what I am looking for.

Anyone know any facts about this strain? Would it grow under lights and be worth the wait?

pedro

 

[neongreen]

I'm still making my way through this great thread, so I hope you'll all forgive me if what I'm about to say has already been said...

I was watching a TV program earlier today about Bangladesh, and it reminded me just how fragile this country is due to much of it barely being above sea level. Indeed, they showed how coastal areas have already been flooded during a recent storm surge.

This made me think about what would happen to all the land races they have there which may be in danger of being lost due to rising sea levels. I know that land races are in danger of being lost in many areas of the world for various reasons, but it strikes me as a much more imminent potential for loss of valuable genetics.

My suggestion is, that anyone who is considering going on a gene-hunting expedition should have this country at the top of their list, and perhaps we could play a part in safeguarding some of the strains that might otherwise be lost from this region. Anyone else with me on this?

 

[neongreen]

Just to add, I think it might be a good idea to draw up a list of regions around the world, with the regions that are most at risk of loosing their land races at the top of the list... a bit like the endangered species lists that nature conservation organizations have.

That way people could easily see where effort needs to be directed to save the most endangered LRs. What do you think?

 

[Guest]

Bangladesh has been flooding like that for eons....and Cannabis has survived that flooding without any problem...to the extent it is native to that area.

The biggest threat to landrace sativas is as Pogo so aptly said many years ago:

"We have met the enemy, and he is us."

IMO...Greedy and/or ignorant growers polluting the gene pool with non native strains is the biggest threat to landraces everywhere on the planet.

pedro

 

[neongreen]

Thanks for your input pedro. For sure the USG is the biggest threat to the gene pool, and I doubt we can do much about that, at least for the foreseeable future.

I know Bangladesh is very prone to flooding due to its flatness and lack of height above sea level, but in the past, the floods were due to the rains, and therefore the flood plane that is Bangladesh was mostly flooded by fresh water.

The danger now, is much more serious... the land could end up permanently (or close to it) being submerged by salt water, which would be a complete disaster for all agriculture there. I'm sure it could recover if salt water inundation was infrequent, but that seems unlikely...

 

[Deft]

God damn sticky this thread already, its due.

 

[Guest]

The danger now, is much more serious... the land could end up permanently (or close to it) being submerged by salt water, which would be a complete disaster for all agriculture there. I'm sure it could recover if salt water inundation was infrequent, but that seems unlikely...

Hi

I hadn't thought about that sort of problem--salt water inundation/encroachment.

Well, that's happening to some extent all over the planet as a result of global climate change....and if places "go under", we'll likely have bigger problems than losing some cannabis landraces. Ya think?

I'm not trying to trivialize the issue, but regarding cannabis sativa....
Like the alligators I grew up with, cannabis sativa has been around a long time. I fully expect both will outlive mankind.


pedro


My new family of SuperSilverHaze from Shanti. One confirmed male, SSH1(I'm keeping for now) and one I'm 90% sure is female SSH2(pic below). Today is day 11 of 12/12 for those two. SSH3,4,5and 6 are on Day 5 of 12/12...and won't show for a few days yet.


SSH2

 

[neongreen]

Well, that's happening to some extent all over the planet as a result of global climate change....and if places "go under", we'll likely have bigger problems than losing some cannabis landraces. Ya think?

Well, we can't tell for sure if the sea level rise will abate - for all we know, it might just "take out" a few low lying areas like Bangladesh, and then recede again, but by that time the damage will be done to the strains in those areas.

I just think it would be prudent to go and collect seeds from those areas first. As you say other areas will be at risk, but not so much as with Bangladesh, which will be one of the first to go if the rise continues.

Of course it's a shame to loose any landraces, but this is one of the few cases that we can I think be fairly sure will loose some of it's genetic diversity, and it would be a real shame to let the strains there slip away, when something could possibly be done.

Nice SSH by the way! I have a packet which I'm itching to grow out

 

[ngakpa]

water water everywhere... and ne'er a drop to drink

water water everywhere... and ne'er a drop to drink

water is the problem, believe me - far more than the USG could ever be

feel free to qoute me on this, water will be the main decider in the future of Cannabis, and mankind

I would imagine within the next decade most products will have a water marker on the packets indicating how much water is required in their production - so for coffee that will be a lot, and some fruits, for tea not so much and so on

as far as I know, Cannabis counts as a water intensive crop

rising sea levels is an issue for Bangladesh and many other places

but for many other places of great significance for Cannabis it is the lack of water that will be an issue - count in that all of the Hindu Kush, much of the Himalaya, all of Central Asia

water availability is already as massive issue in Central Asia, South Asia, Southeast Asia - it's a central cause of ethnic tension in Afghanistan, where conflicts over irrigation channels are ever-present

mainstream science predicts that the glaciers of the Greater Himalaya region could have fully disappeared within about 30 years - in the Hindu Kush alone it is already a cause of crop loss, loss of life, landslides and so on

the implications of this disruption are truly vast - I am not sure of the figures, but at least 500 million people will be directly affected, but the figure is greater than that I think

 

[neongreen]

Excellent points/post ngakpa! You are spot on with what you said I think. It's something that I had not really thought about too much - only in passing, and not in relation to this topic.

Perhaps then we should be looking for drought resistant strains, but as you say, finding something to smoke will probably be the least of our problems.

In this respect, the only thing I think we can hope for is that there are big leaps in our desalination technology. If it can be done cheaply and efficiently, then I think there is hope...

 

[Guest]

as far as I know, Cannabis counts as a water intensive crop

Quite the opposite actually. Cannabis and the Opium Poppy require little water and only marginal soil to grow and produce a harvest.

This is why Chefchaoen was granted a Royal warrant to produce cannabis in 1896 (I think) as it's so arid and poor soil that the farmers couldn't grow much else apart from black tobacoo.

I downloaded and watched a documentary made in Afghanistan in 2005 about the rise in opim and cannabis production and the farmers they interviewed said that until the government drills wells and build irrigation systems so they can grow other crops, they have to grow hashish and opium crops to feed their families, hardly anything else will grow due to the lack of water. There was mention of irrigation projects in other areas that had allowed the farmers to grow fruits and cotton, these hashish and opium farmers were desperate for their own project and to be able to stop growing hashish ands opium and grow things like fruits and cotton they can sell for a decent price.

Of course, cannabis grown in marginal soil with little water will be tall, straggly, thin yellow plants that a westerner would scoff at, but they still produce great hashish. Look at pictures of Moroccan fields before harvest, the plants are yellow-brown and look shite.

 

[Guest]

Pedro, I have had several sativas that gave this chear heady high with lots of giggles and silliness from inexperienced smokers. Zamalhaze can be like that but it's also complex and psychedelic, can really send lightweights off into a mad cartoon world. The clearest high I have ever experienced though is from my El Yucateca Mexican sativa, she has an extraordinarily clear, speedy, racing high, you know you are high, but there is no body stone whatsoever and the energising, clear nature of the high means you keep forgetting you're so high. this is very precious to me as I suffer from depression and having a clear speedy high that doesn't make you look outwardly high and allows you to function just as well as if you were straight (better in fact due to it's energising effects on body and brain).

Imho you just won't find highs of this nature in sativa dom hybrids, SSH, C99, Trainwreck atc. are all great highs but nowhere near the clearness of a pure sativa. I honestly think you don't find such clear highs in plants that tae less than 14 weeks to flower. El Yuc takes 14, Zamalhaze 16, Thais at least 16.

Malawi Gold, Swazi Red and Durban don;t have clear highs, they have moe rounded head/body effects, I think you need to look at equatorial pure sativas for those clear highs.

 

[cornfield]

Original Green (BSC)
about 100 day's 12/12

 

[Guest]

I think that Original Green needs a flush, those curled leaves are a sign of overfert, if ya don't flush it out she will suffer a bit. Sats don;t like much Nitrogen in flowering so cut doen the N you are giving her after you've flushed and the new leaves will be nice and straight.

 

[ngakpa]

Quite the opposite actually. Cannabis and the Opium Poppy require little water and only marginal soil to grow and produce a harvest.

BH - fair enough man, but if farmers can give their plants water obviously they will... yes, good hash can be made from crap underwatered plants... but for the purposes of the discussion, we are talking about epic droughts being on the cards in places like Afghanistan of a kind that will preclude any farming whatsover, let alone the kind of water-intensive farming that goes on there now

the fact is, if farmers can water their plants a lot, they will - hence the kind of conflicts that go on over water in Afghanistan right now - you can read about it here:

Afghanistan Research and Evaluation Unit
http://www.areu.org.af/

settlements in such regions are along ethnic lines, with farms upstream and downstream along irrigation channels - farmers looking to porduce large crops will divert water away often beyond agreed limits... anyway, you're an intelligent guy and get the picture already I am sure

 

[Guest]

BritishHempire!

Thanks for the comment. I'm sure you're right. None of the hybrids I have grown Satori, ThaiTanic, Skunk Haze, or SSH have "done the trick" for me. Good weed for sure, but not that intense high I remember from the old days.

So it looks like I have to "grow up" so to speak and grow myself some pure tropical sativas.

I'm fine with long flowering times. Ilet my SkHaze and SSH go 95 days. I can wait another 30-40 days if I have to...and PLAN for it

I'd love to have something to smoke while working. The job I have now in "semi retirement" is one I can do easily with a buzz.

Maybe I should talk to you in private about what I should look for?

Thanks
pedro


I'll be back in a few hours.

 

[Guest]

Yes, I agree, the drought will make whole areas unfarmable, the Dustbowl of the 30's on a much wider scale.

For millenia farmers used cannabis to improve soil, they planted it on land that was eroding or in danger of eroding and the deep tap roots and fast growth of cannabis would hold the soil in place and allow the land to be reclaimed over a few years. Same with hillside, cannabis was planted to prevent land slippage. It's the way cannabis grows deep roots and grows very fast even without any fertilising or particular care that makes it so suitable.

I would hope that cannabis, even if it's in the form of hemp, is allowed to play a role in the future as we are gonna need all the tools we can muster to fight the changes in our environment.

Colombian farmers don't plant coca fields because they like doing so, it is their wretched poverty and the threats of the militias and narcos that make them do it, same in Afghanistan with the Opium poppy, the farmers don't like growing it, don't want to grow it but are forced to through poverty.

Laos and Cambodia don't have much of a cannabis culture, except among the Hmong ethnic group, traditionally, life is so hard that cannabis and opium are little used by the various ethnic groups as they are too busy working hard and consider these vices to be counterproductive to hard work. Western tourists have created an opium problem among the locals in there places, previously they used to produce opium and sell it for 25 dollars a kilo to Chinese traders, no-one used it locally, it all went for export. Now western tourists have flocked there in search of dirt cheap cannabis and opium, the locals have to keep some opium to hand to sell to the tourists and have to show them how to smoke it, so a opium problem has begun among the locals.

It is the shocking poverty these people who produce the crops that end up in our rich Western bloodstreams have to live in that is the root of the drug problem. Spending millions spraying glycophosphate on Colombian farmer's crops (they only hit the coca some of the time, more often the food crops get it) and billions on fake wars on terror is not gonna help fight the scourge on western society that is heroin and cocaine. If you gave the cost of just one stealth bomber to the poor farmers of Laos, Nepal, Cambodia, Colombia or any one of a dozen other places, you would do the world far more good. If these people were able to live a life with a decent standard of living and not have to worry about feeding their family and whether they have access to basic things such as clean water, electricity and healthcare, they wouldn't grow poppies, they are fully aware of the harm these drugs do and compared to many Westerners, have a strong sense of right and wrong when it comes to how they treat strangers, but poverty often gets in the way of one's morals, If you are starving and a rich westerner walks past, it must be difficult to not want to take from him what you need to survive.

 

[ngakpa]

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Laos and Cambodia don't have much of a cannabis culture, except among the Hmong ethnic group, traditionally, life is so hard that cannabis and opium are little used by the various ethnic groups as they are too busy working hard and consider these vices to be counterproductive to hard work.

hey BH - sorry to only focus negatively but that is not right - the Lao and Khmer (Cambodia) are all traditionally ganja cultures as far as I know - this is true of other ethnic groups in SE Asia in the Tai family... so that includes most of the hilltribes, the Thais themselves... Khmer are not part of the Tai family though... the Shan are also traditionalll a ganja consuming people

for some reason my profile is showing me as signed in even after I sign out, which is making me paranoid, I fear some fukcer may have hacked my profile...

 

[neongreen]

Quite the opposite actually. Cannabis and the Opium Poppy require little water and only marginal soil to grow and produce a harvest.

This is why Chefchaoen was granted a Royal warrant to produce cannabis in 1896 (I think) as it's so arid and poor soil that the farmers couldn't grow much else apart from black tobacoo.

Isn't Cannabis an amazing plant!?! It'll grow in almost any situation, provide us with food, cloths, animal feed, medicine, smoke and endless other products. It'll even clean up contaminated soil! No wonder mariners in times long gone carried seeds with them wherever they went!

If we ever send people to colonize another planet, I'll bet they will also be carrying a few beans!

All the more reason to preserve as many landraces as we can!