the interesting part of fasciation for me is that its a subset of a larger group of chromosome irregularities which are heritable. it is also one of a few sex linked characteristics which are inherited severely different between males and females. a female with this irregularity will pass it down at a minimum of 25 percent due to non recombined mitochondria. whereas pollen spores very rarely contain the irregularity between 3 to 5 percent. both skunk and haze have colombian genetics and colombia lies within the 0 to 5 degree "hybrid" zone where its particular location peculiarities cause a much higher rate of unreduced gametes. these whole genome duplication events are a major driver of evolution in angiosperms. the change in transcription and dosage leads to extreme phenotypical changes. these hybrid zones also exist between 30 and 42 degrees. since we know that alot of Colombian landraces were transplants from old world ganja locations when parker davis attempted their medical research, it can help us understand how these accidental "natural" hybrids in colombia came to be.
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Revival of the REVIVAL of the ULTIMATE SATIVA THREAD a.k.a R.U.S.T II
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GreenAndFast
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Some pictures to break up the talking sorry guys/gals.
Double Zamal cut hung died and in jars. Looking pretty unbelievable. I've got a headcold at the moment and can't smell at all. Will update when I smoke it.
Electric lady X rainbow breeze. Looking outstanding. Love the structure.
Acid beauty starting to find its feet, think it going to explode in growth soon.
S'cuse the mess, I'm getting a new tent and I've gotten lazy with this one
Double Zamal cut hung died and in jars. Looking pretty unbelievable. I've got a headcold at the moment and can't smell at all. Will update when I smoke it.
Electric lady X rainbow breeze. Looking outstanding. Love the structure.
Acid beauty starting to find its feet, think it going to explode in growth soon.
S'cuse the mess, I'm getting a new tent and I've gotten lazy with this one
Some pictures to break up the talking sorry guys/gals.
Double Zamal cut hung died and in jars. Looking pretty unbelievable. I've got a headcold at the moment and can't smell at all. Will update when I smoke it.
Electric lady X rainbow breeze. Looking outstanding. Love the structure.
Acid beauty starting to find its feet, think it going to explode in growth soon.
S'cuse the mess, I'm getting a new tent and I've gotten lazy with this one
How I would like to put my nose in that vase of delicious dried flowers ....mmmm
Great work, the plants look happy,
GreenAndFast
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Thanks man. Yeah it's come out pretty good. It's dripping in resin. And a fantastic colour.
that double zamal looking lovely green good job
GreenAndFast
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Nice one HR 
funkyhorse
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I live in a very high biodiversity environment in wetlands, here indicas are mostly a waste of time
Resistance is a very interesting subject, some strains are very good in landrace conditions and others are natural predator magnets only to be grown in lab conditions
Zamal so far is doing quite well, there has been only attacks on a couple of leaves in each girl and the rest of the plant is still intact
Zamal girl 1
Zamal girl 2
Coljam from USC is a predator atractor. One of the males has been attacked badly
This is the top shot of a sativa pheno, it wasnt really unexpected, I hope I can get to harvest some
This Coljam is not a pure tropical sativa as its name or descripted genetic make up might suggest, it starts flowering outdoors 5 weeks before the autumm equinox
And this is not the only case about calling colombian many things in the canna world.
I hope we can respectfully disagree because there is nothing of the old colombian Punto Rojo from the 80s in skunk and in haze. What in Usa are being called "lumbos" is thin leaf californian weed adapted to Californian latitude and the high has nothing in common with old colombian. If there was something colombian 15 generations ago, today is totally washed down
I am surprised noone bred old paraguayans in the cannaworld. It doesnt make any sense to me
Kaiki knew about old paraguayan
Welllll, Paraguayan x Punto Rojo or viceversa would be my grail cross. I am afraid what Kaiki describes in his PD is hybridized paraguayan crossed with hybridized Punto Rojo. If that cross was done after the 80s then was done with hybrids
So we have absolutely NO colombian Punto Rojo nor Paraguayan in the commercial canna genepool and this is certainly a disaster.
Not only that, young talented breeders never heard of paraguayan and they even disregard it.
21st century Thai doesnt come close to the high of old Punto Rojo 80s nor Paraguayan 80s, it is mild compared to them
I can report more predator attacks and more PM problems in different south east asian Lao/Thai varieties, this is an environmental problem, hopefully plants will adapt with time to the environment here. And the weed growing wild all around Manchuria which includes North Korea, North East China, the russian territory next to it, Sakhalin and Hokkaido islands, that stuff is not hemp. It has psychoactivity. I chopped feral plants and I smoked them just dried without any cure and they have a mild high. The strain from Dali, Yunnan is hemp. And about Xingjianese reports are mixed. What I tried was very low quality almost hemp, but Master Skunkman who is probably one of the best growers in the world reported good quality from his grows of Xingjianese so if grown properly that weed should not be that bad
Back to landracity resistence
Some supposed South East Asian, this are a couple of different girls from homemade repro of Mango Thai sold in 2019 by RSC which is Purple Highland Lao
Ko Chang/Thai Stick x Ohz90
NL5xH 91 x Ohz, washing machine pheno growing outdoors.
Same NL5xH91 x Ohz cut as above in 0,4 lts pot. This is what happens to most indicas here or worse
Piff_cat Thank you very much for posting, interesting subjects you bring up indeed
Have a nice day everyone
Resistance is a very interesting subject, some strains are very good in landrace conditions and others are natural predator magnets only to be grown in lab conditions
Zamal so far is doing quite well, there has been only attacks on a couple of leaves in each girl and the rest of the plant is still intact
Zamal girl 1
Zamal girl 2
Coljam from USC is a predator atractor. One of the males has been attacked badly
This is the top shot of a sativa pheno, it wasnt really unexpected, I hope I can get to harvest some
This Coljam is not a pure tropical sativa as its name or descripted genetic make up might suggest, it starts flowering outdoors 5 weeks before the autumm equinox
And this is not the only case about calling colombian many things in the canna world.
I hope we can respectfully disagree because there is nothing of the old colombian Punto Rojo from the 80s in skunk and in haze. What in Usa are being called "lumbos" is thin leaf californian weed adapted to Californian latitude and the high has nothing in common with old colombian. If there was something colombian 15 generations ago, today is totally washed down
I am surprised noone bred old paraguayans in the cannaworld. It doesnt make any sense to me
Kaiki knew about old paraguayan
Welllll, Paraguayan x Punto Rojo or viceversa would be my grail cross. I am afraid what Kaiki describes in his PD is hybridized paraguayan crossed with hybridized Punto Rojo. If that cross was done after the 80s then was done with hybrids
So we have absolutely NO colombian Punto Rojo nor Paraguayan in the commercial canna genepool and this is certainly a disaster.
Not only that, young talented breeders never heard of paraguayan and they even disregard it.
21st century Thai doesnt come close to the high of old Punto Rojo 80s nor Paraguayan 80s, it is mild compared to them
I can report more predator attacks and more PM problems in different south east asian Lao/Thai varieties, this is an environmental problem, hopefully plants will adapt with time to the environment here. And the weed growing wild all around Manchuria which includes North Korea, North East China, the russian territory next to it, Sakhalin and Hokkaido islands, that stuff is not hemp. It has psychoactivity. I chopped feral plants and I smoked them just dried without any cure and they have a mild high. The strain from Dali, Yunnan is hemp. And about Xingjianese reports are mixed. What I tried was very low quality almost hemp, but Master Skunkman who is probably one of the best growers in the world reported good quality from his grows of Xingjianese so if grown properly that weed should not be that bad
Back to landracity resistence
Some supposed South East Asian, this are a couple of different girls from homemade repro of Mango Thai sold in 2019 by RSC which is Purple Highland Lao
Ko Chang/Thai Stick x Ohz90
NL5xH 91 x Ohz, washing machine pheno growing outdoors.
Same NL5xH91 x Ohz cut as above in 0,4 lts pot. This is what happens to most indicas here or worse
Piff_cat Thank you very much for posting, interesting subjects you bring up indeed
Have a nice day everyone
funkyhorse have you heard of primo hollandica? sssc karel crossed his old sk haze clone to his secret sativa which is a paraguay/bld f1 from back in the day it was in the catalogue. these plants have insane vigor and metallic phenos have been reported. i too would like to grow Paraguayan. i believe there is an heirloom Pariaguan pine out there cant remember who by but ill look. for resistance you may want to look into terpene synthase families. they are divided by mono/sesquiterpenes but also gymno/angiosperm. tps d family covers all the pine conifer stuff and has alot of the terpenes which protect against weevils, beetles, nematodes . carene pinene camphene phellandrene. these will make up an oleoresin which the trees use to fight off herbivores and many of these terps are in haze and other sativas. family a is mostly monoterpenes and b is sesquiterpenes. both a and b are angiosperm specific. when researching a landrace/terpene ill see what plants use the terpene for, and which other plants use it beside cannabis. this can be very helpful
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funkyhorse
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Hi there Piff
I read about M18 on mexcurandero420 instagram page here: https://www.instagram.com/p/CU4-FuCKw6n/
I think the same as gkn comments in that page
I think the plants also generate terpenes or something to call defenders who stay to live with them
This is the first time I see a locust here. They might not be as strong as mantis religiosa but they are strong
Today this Northern Thailand 2008 x (Seedsman Hz x Ohz90) showed first pistil 2 weeks after autumm equinox and more plants are coming behind still unsexed
The locust moved and made the transplant to soil together with the very Thai dominant Northern Thailand 2008 x Ohz cross. He is on the second leaf top left. The cross of Northern Thailand x CG72 are showing themselves super Thai dominant as well
This Northern Thailand has a special feature shared with old Paraguayan and old Punto Rojo. I also found it in Ohz in a lesser degree.
They are all long curing strains. This means they need at least a 4 months cure to be ready to smoke and they cure for a very long time. And they cure for a very long time means that they are almost same potency if you smoke it today or in more than one year curing in jars/tins in dark place in tropical/subtropical weather without needing to keep it frozen or curing in low temperatures of below 15C or any special technology feature. Just good old low third world technology of leaving the cans/jars in a dark place for a long time
Modern ganja degrades too fast. After 6 months is hay kept in subtropical normal weather. Even strains like CG72 degrades this way too fast
Have a nice day and happy day everybody
I read about M18 on mexcurandero420 instagram page here: https://www.instagram.com/p/CU4-FuCKw6n/
I think the same as gkn comments in that page
And I would add: They didnt have any better idea than to cross paraguayan with an indica, cannabis sativa breeding legacy is a disaster
I think the plants also generate terpenes or something to call defenders who stay to live with them
This is the first time I see a locust here. They might not be as strong as mantis religiosa but they are strong
Today this Northern Thailand 2008 x (Seedsman Hz x Ohz90) showed first pistil 2 weeks after autumm equinox and more plants are coming behind still unsexed
The locust moved and made the transplant to soil together with the very Thai dominant Northern Thailand 2008 x Ohz cross. He is on the second leaf top left. The cross of Northern Thailand x CG72 are showing themselves super Thai dominant as well
This Northern Thailand has a special feature shared with old Paraguayan and old Punto Rojo. I also found it in Ohz in a lesser degree.
They are all long curing strains. This means they need at least a 4 months cure to be ready to smoke and they cure for a very long time. And they cure for a very long time means that they are almost same potency if you smoke it today or in more than one year curing in jars/tins in dark place in tropical/subtropical weather without needing to keep it frozen or curing in low temperatures of below 15C or any special technology feature. Just good old low third world technology of leaving the cans/jars in a dark place for a long time
Modern ganja degrades too fast. After 6 months is hay kept in subtropical normal weather. Even strains like CG72 degrades this way too fast
Have a nice day and happy day everybody
strange coincidance found some paaraguans yesterday looking for somethjing else
funkyhorse thanks alot for the info on m18 there is so little available. you are def right about the terpene protector. it actually gets very specific for plants in their natural environment. they will attract the enemy of their herbivore by mimicking a pheromone used for breeding or even an alarm smell meant to attract or dispel different enemies. alot goes on underneath in the rootzone too as far as fungi/bacteria interactions. i think this has a lot to do with the sulfur thiols that eventually made rks. i think they came from the guerrero area . garlic and onion sulfur thiols are very ervy similar to skunk spray and the Acapulco gold has also been known to have musk smells. matching environment with landrace seeds could definitly revive some of the lost qualities. the long curing strains i believe are rich in sesquiterpenes which are alcohol based. since they are less volatile they take longer to oxidize or cure but once they do they are much more powerful smells then monoterpenes. i dont think bld was ever meant to be crossed to sativa. we would be better off finding short flowering dense nld from places like nepal
funkyhorse
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I understand to my surprise there is very little info available on the biggest ganja producer in South America in the cannaworld, they have 3 ganja harvest annually with a combined total production of 16.500 tons. It is sold at around 8u$s per kilo at origin
They use cheap working force which has no other alternatives nor choices
Earnings are about 4 times the investment per hectare. 1 hectare is almost 2,5 acres
Until Fumo da Lata event in 1988, paraguayan weed was on par with Punto Rojo. After that I dont know what happened exactly, I left South America for backpacking around Asia. I kept smoking paraguayan in Asia until 2010...after that noone else bothered to bring the garbage paraguayan brick became today. Smoked side by side paraguayan and thais both in Asia and south america and paraguayan always came on top on the different batches trials
This is a very complete report done in 2017. Today paraguayan weed is a disaster. After DEA set up basis in Pedro Juan Caballero year 2006, paraguayan ganja went downhill. Until then it was better than thai/cambodian/lao weed
It is in spanish, you might need to use some translation tool but it is a very interesting long read with excellent pictorials for any ganja lover:
https://elsurti.com/cronicas-cannabicas/reportaje/2017/11/07/desmenuzando-la-marihuana-paraguaya/
They use cheap working force which has no other alternatives nor choices
Earnings are about 4 times the investment per hectare. 1 hectare is almost 2,5 acres
Until Fumo da Lata event in 1988, paraguayan weed was on par with Punto Rojo. After that I dont know what happened exactly, I left South America for backpacking around Asia. I kept smoking paraguayan in Asia until 2010...after that noone else bothered to bring the garbage paraguayan brick became today. Smoked side by side paraguayan and thais both in Asia and south america and paraguayan always came on top on the different batches trials
This is a very complete report done in 2017. Today paraguayan weed is a disaster. After DEA set up basis in Pedro Juan Caballero year 2006, paraguayan ganja went downhill. Until then it was better than thai/cambodian/lao weed
It is in spanish, you might need to use some translation tool but it is a very interesting long read with excellent pictorials for any ganja lover:
https://elsurti.com/cronicas-cannabicas/reportaje/2017/11/07/desmenuzando-la-marihuana-paraguaya/
rsc mango thai/laos
GreenAndFast
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That looks great HR
Some pictures to break up the talking sorry guys/gals.
Double Zamal cut hung died and in jars. Looking pretty unbelievable. I've got a headcold at the moment and can't smell at all. Will update when I smoke it.
Electric lady X rainbow breeze. Looking outstanding. Love the structure.
Acid beauty starting to find its feet, think it going to explode in growth soon.
S'cuse the mess, I'm getting a new tent and I've gotten lazy with this one
Lovely double zamal! How long did these take? Its one of the few strains still on my list. I had a great zamadelica but the last couple were different phenos.
GreenAndFast
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Thanks man, to be honest I didn't time them but they were relatively quick. Maybe 12 weeks? I can't wait to try it. I've got a few more beans that I'm going to do an open pollination because I think there is some gold in this line.
12 is not so bad. Sounds like they didnt go the 18-24w that used to be in the description. I cant wait to hear your smoke report down the road. Best of luck with the OP!
GreenAndFast
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Electric lady X rainbow breeze
Spring seems to have sprung…
