Reversed Backcrossing:)

[BENJI]

YOU NEED TO PROVE YOURSELF WRONG or right only u can do it its your idea...

 

[englishrick]

i wish Chimera would have explained himself a lil more,,,,,

"an im not calling him out with that bej"

 

[englishrick]

YOU NEED TO PROVE YOURSELF WRONG or right only u can do it its your idea...

I NEED TO PROVE MYSELF WRONG....yeh for sure

but not by doing 100% of the leg work myself.......Chimera is good position to say if the walk is worth it,,,or not?

 

[englishrick]

col is sayin take the 1st step,,,,but everone else says ,,,"no ric dont do it fems are bad um kay"

 

[BENJI]

What you have to ask yourself is are you willing to walk all the way colina has already stated that it might work but only u know what you want to acheive in the end, alot of people opinions differ on this subject there is theory and there is practice if your willing to walk all the way then i suggest start the practice now and the shorter it becomes everyday...

 

[englishrick]

i just wana know if there is a waterhole at the end this walk...ya know what im sayin bro...i speke from the heart bro?

selfing is splashed allover Biology Science Papers like its the norm for selective breeding.....its sending me mad how no1 is talking about it

 

[englishrick]

you know i love ya benj,,,,,but this is my problem,,you gota love me with the problem

 

[englishrick]

only Organic/biodynamic farmers hate Selfing,,,,an we ain bio dynamic farmers

 

[dopeshow]

"In theory, theory and practice are the same while in practice, theory and practice are never the same."

 

[BENJI]

you know i love ya benj,,,,,but this is my problem,,you gota love me with the problem

LOL...hehehe i like that its all love rick bro keep doing what your doing just remember its constructive criticism im only trying to help i aint trying to change the way u think...

 

[englishrick]

i kno i know......this thread takes the piss,,,,but hay,,,,this is a real conflict of intrest

bla bla bla pages,,,an still not 1 person has stoped me thinkin,,,,,Self Self Self Self....i could fukup loads of people by sayin,, "yeh" self your little ass off , but i dont want to do that, without understanding the whole sh1t first

im tellin you bro,,,we aint bio-dynamic farmers, yet everyone sounds like 1,,,,i dont get it....selfing is the norm in selective breeding in biology.....why are we not doing it?.....weed is just selectively bread hemp,,,,if it was left to openly breed in large populations it would return to hemp....

im i off my head or what?

please forgive me EVERYONE!! ,,,i do love you all

 

[BENJI]

Ill leave the thread with this cause i need some sleep im not fully against fems seeds as a matter of fact i got some fem seeds the other day i got..
(Fire)OGKUSH x Afghani Kush
Double OG SFV x Krypto OG BX1
and Lemon Larry OGK f2's...

Peace..Benji...

 

[Colina]

30-35 years ago and beyond, pure lines of cannabis greatly outnumbered hybrids. That was a healthy gene pool, that was true diversity. It took no small amount of time to create that. Today it seems there are vast regions where thoughtless hybridization and misplaced priorities have been large contributing factors in the loss of that diversity.

I do not know what Ricks goals are, or whether or not he will achieve them. But I don't believe I'd be any kind of friend to cannabis in discouraging anybody from attempting to work true breeding lines out of what we each personally feel is worthy of our efforts. We can argue all week about what might be the most appropriate ways to achieve that are, but let's try to see the forest through the trees.

 

[Hammerhead]

Totaly agree 100%

 

[VanXant]

Chimera:"There are so many reasons this is a bad idea, I don't even know where to start."

>>>>>>

Nice posts Colina, GMT.


havagoodone.

 

[Forest20]

Hey Rick it "seems" your getting what you wanted... I would love to hear one persons opinion would be JLP... But that's just me

 

[englishrick]

30-35 years ago and beyond, pure lines of cannabis greatly outnumbered hybrids. That was a healthy gene pool, that was true diversity. It took no small amount of time to create that. Today it seems there are vast regions where thoughtless hybridization and misplaced priorities have been large contributing factors in the loss of that diversity.

I do not know what Ricks goals are, or whether or not he will achieve them. But I don't believe I'd be any kind of friend to cannabis in discouraging anybody from attempting to work true breeding lines out of what we each personally feel is worthy of our efforts. We can argue all week about what might be the most appropriate ways to achieve that are, but let's try to see the forest through the trees.

this is the way i see it col.....please tell me if im wrong?

its all about IBL`s and selective breeding...without this we would not even have Cannabis....the whole expreshion of cannabis is relative to the selective breeding "we" put it through

the way in witch we selectivly breed, determines the overall product!.....peeps who selectivly breed for the wrong traits, are just on the road to "Bland" smoke,,,or sh1ty weed!!,,,this is similar to weed returning to hemp...but most polenchuckers dont relize this,,,comprehention is a massive factor

without selective breeding for resin and tasty polygeneric traits.....my whole reason for smoking will be lost.....,"i think", in order to maintainin my reason for smoking i need to make IBL`s.....fem or M/F,who cares? ,,,fem even seem better because they are more homogeneous,,yet i feel allone in this understanding

as we all know F1`s can be bland....and F2 is the keeper zone,,,breeding using only F1`s as mothers is the road to "blandness" imo,,,,,we should not be doing it!!,,jumping from F1 to F1 is a fast track to hemp imo

in 06 i smoked Cheese for the first time,,,,i got a shock!!......i then relized SK1 is one of the best hybrid`s ever,,,,its flava was not bland,,,,,after doing a lil reaserch i soon relized i probbly loved Cheese/SK1 because it was an IBL and bits of the Cheese like the stinky Afghan or Aco.gold and Col.gold were not available in newer F1 hybrids,,,

the older boys call SK1 "generic" but i thought they were all crazy.....the old boys even wanted to drop SK1 and move away from it geneticly,,,,i thought this was even more crazy,,,,i then deemed that the reason for Cheeselike weed simply vanishing from Amsterdam,,,,,

i thought::::.... "what about the younger generation of smokers?,they might miss SK1 IBL and even the old stinky Afghan, col.gold an aco.gold.....its impossible to getahold of them old IBL`s nowadays,,,"this is tragic"

i lived in Amsterdam in 00 and SSH, Kalimist, and NYCD had to be the only buds worth smoking,,,,after walking around Amsterdam for over a year, i could not help thinkin "most weed in Amsterdam is not worth smoking!!...what the hell is going on!!!"........only the special clones had any real place in the coffiee shops,,,,anything less was a waste of money and generaly bland smoke,,,,"an i only smoke weed for the flavour"

then col said,,,,,selfing might be ok,,,check it out!!.......so i did

i found.:::::

Selfing is a fast track to Homogeneous fIBL`s .....and IBL`s are the only way to maintain my level of quality,,,,,,so i decided;;"i want to get to grips with Selfing Cannabis!!",,,,it seems like the only way to keep myself happy without doing the samS experence with massive numbers and 1000`s of males...lol..."the samS experence"...they should make a ride at Universal Studios in Florida...

the Afghan recessive trait in Cheese is the best bit imo,,,,,the fact that Cheese is 1 of the best SK1`s ever, makes me think,,,,"Sh1t" ,,that is the direction i need cannabiss to go,,,,"do you know what im sayin col,,am i wrong?"

yes "selfing" is problem for preservation, fitness and drift, maybe even firther sex issues like Agamosperms in the future,,,but "hay" this sh1t needs to be discussed and tackled....and guidelines and precautions need to be put in place,,,,,,

an i can find nothing about the ins and outs of selfing on icmag "until now".....

,,,,the lack of fitness, an the stuff i mentiond above are the only problems with selfing from what i can see......so lets take hold of our problems

...if we overcome our problems with selfing,,,,,we can then take advantage of selfing same as all botanists..."so i want to take it head on",,,allone if nessery.!!!

if we bring it back to a fit XY seedline, including the quantitive traits we love,,,whats the problem?

botanist`s have been using selfing to direct selective breeding for years,,,,they even say : NOT using selfing fuks with the frequency of selection


am i crazy?.......have i got it all wrong ?

you have to remember,,,i rely dont know sh1t,,,an i relize that,,,,,all this stuff im sayin is just "how i see it".......ive got this understanding from spradic info while smoking my Cheese......so i dont know the truth of the matter,,,,,some1 please guide me and set the record strait

"an i aint callin no1 out with that"....this is from the heart


rick

 

[englishrick]

maybe the Afghan stink aint the only bit i love about Cheese,,,,,,,

check the NEON colour on this pick

 

[GMT]

people have been smoking wild weed for thousands of years. without selective breeding landrace strains do very well on their own. I feel smoking weed only for the flavour misses the whole point of smoking weed. the only reason old strains dissapear is that new better strains come into being. though stuff like accapulco gold could still be found. If you cant find it, say a prayer to Eris and maybe she'll come through for you. if you still feel that selfing is the only way to go, then self. But I dont think its right to come up with ideas and then ask other people to do the work for you. If that is the path that you are going to walk, fair enough. But dont ask others to walk it for you.

 

[englishrick]

as we all know F1`s can be bland....and F2 is the keeper zone,,,breeding using only F1`s as mothers is the road to "blandness" imo,,,,,we should not be doing it!!,,jumping from F1 to F1 is a fast track to hemp imo

i would just like to correct this,,,,its not the fat track to hemp....plants might have extra resin,,,,,,,but the taste is bland or harsh like smoking hemp