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"Remember, remember, the 5th of November." - Anonymous Hackers vs Los Zetas Cartel
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You guys blast me for talking about Muslims and their believes, very acuratly to my beliefs. Yet you guys give a helpful post to this? You guys are messed in the head if you believe what this guy is saying. Not one shred of evidence to this claim, but nobody says anything about it. Shame on you PoopyTeaBags for spreading lies and hate.
yes rasputin, as I have said in over three posts, including the post responding to your original comment, I believe those numbers of deaths are not civilians but total war casualties. Somebody posted up the number of deaths caused by Nato in the entire region, but nothing showing 100,000 deaths in Iraq. That is the main difference in our argument and if you had been following from the start you would see that. Please read, comprehend, then respond. Not the other way around.
You misunderstand my stance here. I am not afraid, or calling for war. I instead stand confident in my country, and recognize threats from abroad. In case you haven't noticed, they are at war with us whether we are at war with them or not. Hence 911. Hence the words of the Iranian leadership.
It is my belief that the powers that are in charge of the Muslim world are in fact at war with the USA, Israel and the entire western way of life. If you do not believe that then I suggest you stop watching CNN and MSNBC. Start listening to the leaders of these countries that end every rally with "Death to Israel, death to America." I truly feel sorry for people that can't see this fact, but want to say 911 was Bushes fault.......WFT?
Also, I would like to make clear for the 10th time in this forum that Muslim does not equal terrorist. I get that. That doesn't change the fact that under Muslim beliefs: if you follow and believe in the word of Mohammad, then you must fight the infidels. That is written into their religion, just no changing that. I told my story about the Barbary Wars to show the ideology of these people. Muslim extremest predate our own country. Muslims have been killing Americans from the very start. Some people in this forum have suggested that the Middle East doesn't like us only because we are occupying their land. I believe the Barbary Wars is evidence to the contrary. Their feud with us has nothing to do with our presence in the middle east, it is embedded into their religion. It is time for Americans (especially left wing Americans) to see with their own eyes what is really going on. I will end this with how I started it, the people in power of the Muslim world are at war with western life.
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Well then I guess I must have miss read and mis-interpreted you so did everybody else right?... I apologize Thanks for the neg rep. I would never bring neg rep to someone for a opinion just like I would never neg rep you on your thoughts or opinion in this discussion no matter how much i disagree.
"Also, I would like to make clear for the 10th time in this forum that Muslim does not equal terrorist. I get that." Sorry at the time of my post this was not how I interpreted it. Again sorry for my sharing my thoughts thanks again pal.
"Also, I would like to make clear for the 10th time in this forum that Muslim does not equal terrorist. I get that." Sorry at the time of my post this was not how I interpreted it. Again sorry for my sharing my thoughts thanks again pal.
have you ever looked into other religions? some stuff in judaism will make your hair stand on end. christianity is also an insane cult. so are mormonism, scientology and every other organized way to make weak-minded people do your bidding.
and how can you fault people for hating america?
take iran for example. they have every right to.
in 1953 the CIA (and MI5) overthrew democratically elected prime minister mosaddegh* and reinstated the shah of iran who proceeded with a terror regime until 1979. during this time the country also became more fundamentalist instead of moderate (who woulda thunk it?!)
immediately afterwards, in 1980 the iran-iraq war started - a proxy war led by the USA vs. the USSR - resulting in the death of 1+ million iranians over 8 long years.
imagine if some other country did something comparable to the US!
*his crime: nationalizing oil interests!
Lets go paragraph by paragraph, I have numbered them.
#1 I could not agree more. Yes, I have looked into many religions as I find it fascinating to me. All religions have their faults, no doubt.
#2 I don't blame them for anything. If you look at current times then you really can't blame them. It is a major problem this world faces and we are at a boiling point. Another question back at you.....Will you blame Israel when they take out Iran's nuclear plants?
#3 True. No dispute here.
#4 True. No dispute here
#5 You mean like every country in history? Like how Iran is openly talking about killing everybody in Israel? To be honest, I don't hear many speak out about it, no. Sheep are easy to fool.
#6 True.
You act like I am defending the USA in every action they have ever taken. That is not my stance at all.
No, you just give a positive rep saying, "you are fucked in the head" Why do you continue with this non sense? It really isn't constructive to the conversation we are having.
So, you say they aren't civilians and that's that? Must be nice.
Before I bother quoting actual facts, do you understand the concept of civilian casualties?
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/numbers/warlogs/
Look at some of the figures there. Particularly the total number and percentage of civilian deaths. And the total number and percentage of enemy deaths. And if you care to continue defending your original, ignorant comment after reading that then I'll know for sure I am talking to a wall.
No, it isn't true. And you can't claim it is. Unless, of course, you personally spoke to each and every one of these war casualties and asked them if they wanted to die and would happily do so? You know this for a fact?
Right. Because Bush said so? All Muslims are at war with western society? Please, let me know where my poor reading comprehension skills have failed me once more.
Because right now, I'm comprehending your massive ignorance and prejudice towards all Muslims, of which 99.999999% you have never met or spoken to. I know, you visited a country or two with Muslims. That's like the person who says, I'm not racist I have black friends! Instead you make shit up about guys hiding in hospitals and churches? Really? Churches? I think you mean mosques.
Yeah so, anyway... you say that to support your claim they are all enemy's. Because one or two guys fired some shots from an abandoned hospital you want everyone to believe every Iraqi is hiding in mosques and schools waiting to pop off a shot? Give me a fucking break.
Therein lies the problem... you cling to your beliefs even in the face of evidence to the contrary. Delusions are nice but they aren't very useful. If you believe every Muslim in the world is at war with the US then I suggest you turn off Fox News.
People like you have empowered a bunch of rag tag, shit heads from the Middle East into thinking they are this tremendous threat. Are you that scared of the guys in pajamas on the monkey bars, Bullfrog?
I appreciate your passive aggressive comments. You're starting to crack under the scrutiny. Maybe next time you'll be a little more careful throwing around statements and making things up to fit your own argument.
You have come to your own conclusions about everything. Civilians? Nope, those are combatants. Casualties? They all wanted it! Muslims? They all hate us!
I really don't have the time or effort man...... Your source is Wikki leaks? Lol.
I will give you the last word. Like I said before you made some good points and so have I. We can now agree to disagree, have a good weekend.
I will give you the last word. Like I said before you made some good points and so have I. We can now agree to disagree, have a good weekend.
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lol bro you need to open your eyes spreading lies??? lol i dont have time to even start this conversation your so blind nothing anyone says will open your eyes. Your BELIEFS cannot be changed by any facts, nor would you choose to listen to anything that is not on your line of thinking...
the ignorance you spout is below me even commenting farther but it is entertaining to read what your actually think is the truth.
No its not a news flashInfidel supplants the arabic word qafir in English translation. Qafir in its original context as best I can determine translates as nonbelievers of the One God or Polytheistic believers. As Christians and Jews believe in monotheism they are not Qafir translated to infidel in its original context, seeing as we're so concerned with Accuracy right.
Make sense?
Yes it does. Thank you for the clarification.
I feel like a complete dummy for going by those idiotic Arab translations for all this time.
Like I said, they're going to be very disappointed when they find out how badly they screwed up.
Zetas Drug Cartel Reportedly Murders Internet Chat Room Users
Zetas Drug Cartel Reportedly Murders Internet Chat Room Users
By MARK STEVENSON 11/10/11 05:41 PM ET
MEXICO CITY -- Mexico's hyperviolent Zetas drug cartel appears to be launching what may be one of the first campaigns by an organized crime group to silence commentary on the Internet.
The cartel has already attacked rivals, journalists and other perceived enemies. Now, the target is an online chat room, Nuevo Laredo en Vivo, that allows users to comment on the activities of the Zetas and others in the city on the border with Texas.
Already, three apparent site users have been slain, and a fourth victim may have been discovered Wednesday, when a man's decapitated body was found with what residents said was a banner suggesting he was killed for posting on the site. Chat room users said they could not immediately confirm the victim's identity, because people all post under aliases.
Despite such precautions, users are highly vulnerable, and the Zetas could be tracking them from clues they leave online, experts said Thursday.
A female chat room user was found decapitated in September with a similar message as the one found Wednesday and at the exact same spot, with a message signed with the letter "Z," which refers to the Zetas. Residents couldn't fully read the latest message, because the dead man's body was laid on top of it, in what appeared to be a more hurried execution.
"I don't know of anything like this having happened anywhere else in the world," said Jorge Chabat, an expert in safety and drug trafficking at the Center for Research and Teaching in Economics in Mexico. "It is certainly new and worrisome ... it is a frontal confrontation against the public; it is not just a confrontation with the government anymore."
Drug cartels in Mexico have frequently attacked traditional print newspapers, by tossing explosives at their offices or killing, kidnapping or threatening reporters. Violence against journalists in Tamaulipas state, where Nuevo Laredo is located, has led local media to censor themselves, leaving residents on their own to separate fact from pervasive rumors spread on social networks.
Juan Carlos Romero, who helps lead the press freedom group Article 19, said local newspapers have often stopped publishing crime reports out of fear, leading residents to turn more to the Internet for information like that posted Thursday on Nuevo Laredo en Vivo: where gunshots have been heard, where vehicles suspected of carrying cartel lookouts have been seen, which streets are safe to travel.
"What are people doing in the face of the lack of information, the kind of information you need to make decisions: Where can I drive? Can I leave the house?" said Romero. "People are forging new channels of communication on the Internet, social networks, Twitter, blogs, Facebook."
Drug cartels appear to have learned that such Internet sites reach far more readers than northeastern Mexico's small regional newspapers and have adjusted their attacks accordingly.
"We are witnessing a new behavior of criminal forces in the country," said Erick Fernandez, a communications professor at the IberoAmerican University in Mexico City. "We are in a new phase."
Romero agreed. "It appears to me that organized crime is trying to get common citizens to stop real-time coverage of violence," he said, saying that "the intimidation is having a multiplier effect."
Some of the site users vowed to forge on despite the two decapitations and the September slayings of two other people whose bodies were found hanging from an overpass in Nuevo Laredo with a message threatening: "This is what will happen" to trouble-making Internet users. That message was also signed with a "Z."
"I am ready to lay down my life for the cause, if the soldiers take heed of my reports ... (if) the risk (serves) for something," said one user who posted under the tag "Anon5182."
Despite heightened security awareness among the site's users Thursday, with warnings not to share personal information with anyone, they remain tremendously vulnerable, said Matt Harrigan, chief executive of the San Diego, California-based security firm Critical Assets.
A trail of information like cookies, server addresses, login and account information was easy visible for some users.
"I know enough about (one user) that I'm uncomfortable with how much I know about (him) just from visiting the site," said Harrigan. "Just from having looked up information about him, the number of things I know about the guy is pretty staggering."
Harrigan said it would be relatively easy, with the money the Zetas have from running drugs, to track down posters.
"If you're a Mexican cartel with hundreds of millions of dollars, there certainly are security experts in Mexico or former hackers, or whoever they are, that I'm certain they're for hire," he said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/11/zetas-internet-murder_n_1087894.html
Zetas Drug Cartel Reportedly Murders Internet Chat Room Users
By MARK STEVENSON 11/10/11 05:41 PM ET
MEXICO CITY -- Mexico's hyperviolent Zetas drug cartel appears to be launching what may be one of the first campaigns by an organized crime group to silence commentary on the Internet.
The cartel has already attacked rivals, journalists and other perceived enemies. Now, the target is an online chat room, Nuevo Laredo en Vivo, that allows users to comment on the activities of the Zetas and others in the city on the border with Texas.
Already, three apparent site users have been slain, and a fourth victim may have been discovered Wednesday, when a man's decapitated body was found with what residents said was a banner suggesting he was killed for posting on the site. Chat room users said they could not immediately confirm the victim's identity, because people all post under aliases.
Despite such precautions, users are highly vulnerable, and the Zetas could be tracking them from clues they leave online, experts said Thursday.
A female chat room user was found decapitated in September with a similar message as the one found Wednesday and at the exact same spot, with a message signed with the letter "Z," which refers to the Zetas. Residents couldn't fully read the latest message, because the dead man's body was laid on top of it, in what appeared to be a more hurried execution.
"I don't know of anything like this having happened anywhere else in the world," said Jorge Chabat, an expert in safety and drug trafficking at the Center for Research and Teaching in Economics in Mexico. "It is certainly new and worrisome ... it is a frontal confrontation against the public; it is not just a confrontation with the government anymore."
Drug cartels in Mexico have frequently attacked traditional print newspapers, by tossing explosives at their offices or killing, kidnapping or threatening reporters. Violence against journalists in Tamaulipas state, where Nuevo Laredo is located, has led local media to censor themselves, leaving residents on their own to separate fact from pervasive rumors spread on social networks.
Juan Carlos Romero, who helps lead the press freedom group Article 19, said local newspapers have often stopped publishing crime reports out of fear, leading residents to turn more to the Internet for information like that posted Thursday on Nuevo Laredo en Vivo: where gunshots have been heard, where vehicles suspected of carrying cartel lookouts have been seen, which streets are safe to travel.
"What are people doing in the face of the lack of information, the kind of information you need to make decisions: Where can I drive? Can I leave the house?" said Romero. "People are forging new channels of communication on the Internet, social networks, Twitter, blogs, Facebook."
Drug cartels appear to have learned that such Internet sites reach far more readers than northeastern Mexico's small regional newspapers and have adjusted their attacks accordingly.
"We are witnessing a new behavior of criminal forces in the country," said Erick Fernandez, a communications professor at the IberoAmerican University in Mexico City. "We are in a new phase."
Romero agreed. "It appears to me that organized crime is trying to get common citizens to stop real-time coverage of violence," he said, saying that "the intimidation is having a multiplier effect."
Some of the site users vowed to forge on despite the two decapitations and the September slayings of two other people whose bodies were found hanging from an overpass in Nuevo Laredo with a message threatening: "This is what will happen" to trouble-making Internet users. That message was also signed with a "Z."
"I am ready to lay down my life for the cause, if the soldiers take heed of my reports ... (if) the risk (serves) for something," said one user who posted under the tag "Anon5182."
Despite heightened security awareness among the site's users Thursday, with warnings not to share personal information with anyone, they remain tremendously vulnerable, said Matt Harrigan, chief executive of the San Diego, California-based security firm Critical Assets.
A trail of information like cookies, server addresses, login and account information was easy visible for some users.
"I know enough about (one user) that I'm uncomfortable with how much I know about (him) just from visiting the site," said Harrigan. "Just from having looked up information about him, the number of things I know about the guy is pretty staggering."
Harrigan said it would be relatively easy, with the money the Zetas have from running drugs, to track down posters.
"If you're a Mexican cartel with hundreds of millions of dollars, there certainly are security experts in Mexico or former hackers, or whoever they are, that I'm certain they're for hire," he said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/11/zetas-internet-murder_n_1087894.html
Who would have guessed that the cartels would win this battle? Internet geek vs cartel, I know who I would bet on.
Dude really? You said Bush orchestrated 911, your a crack pot. Just deal. I will say it again, shame on you for spreading rumors and lies with no evidence. To keep revisiting this stuff over and over is junking up this thread. If anybody wants to continue these conversations please PM me.
lol people are sheep its fine with me bro i just dont see the world through your rose colored glasses... i dont lie to myself to make myself feel better. I live outside the matrix. So sure that makes me a crack pot... lmao
