I have some of the Hoa Bac Silver Flower also. I really don't want to invest the time in genetics without any support from breeder. I run a limited amount of plants and space is valuable. I did bye a couple packs of Laos Luang Prabang from Gypsy. I will run these in the upcoming season. Yes the breeders on the Ace site and their genetics speak for themselves. If you can't hear very well. THEY ARE GREAT !!! Peace