reasons for choppers hovering near private property?

[SuperConductor]

They showed it & you could actually see the heat from the bulb glowing, if your a grower you know what that tube glowing is, they didnt say they can see, they showed what they can see fomr the helicopter
The glow was yellow/red from the tube

What they actually see is the heat of the surface it's pointing at, they can't see through roofs.

When was the last time you heard of someone being busted from flir alone? Did the police say they busted people with flir or did they imply it to frighten people?

If they didn't state outright that they use this technology alone to bust people then it's not true. If they did bust people this way they'd be quoting numbers and boasting about how effective they've been.

 

[habeeb]

i would laugh my ass of if they went to such drastic results to bust me! would 200w light up on a flir?

no,

but does anyone know you grow

don't think because your growing small there not gonna treat you like your big time.. they love, , they get off on pulling there gun, flying a chopper, pulling 5 cars on you, having a shepherd on a leash inches away form ripping your arm up... never under estimate them,

they have the mentality that there on a set shooting a action movie... keep that in mind

 

[Frozenguy]

They have to have other info on you to get a search warrent I'm sure.

You think they go to the judge and say "Your honor, we found a heat source in someones house.. A HEAT SOURCE!!!! We need to search his house right now." and the judge gives them a warrant? So many lawsuits would result from that.

 

[Frozenguy]

no,

but does anyone know you grow

don't think because your growing small there not gonna treat you like your big time.. they love, , they get off on pulling there gun, flying a chopper, pulling 5 cars on you, having a shepherd on a leash inches away form ripping your arm up... never under estimate them,

they have the mentality that there on a set shooting a action movie... keep that in mind

Some do, but a lot of officers are good people and want to uphold the law. Unfortunately, cannabis is illegal right now.

I know there are a lot of LEO that take advantage of their powers to all different degrees, and I've had my fair share of run ins with them, but most LEO are great people who put their life on the line to enforce the law, most of which are for our safety; although there are those laws they must enforce that are also considered unconstitutional, inhumane. But then again, I've ran into some officers that respect your personal choices.

But I can agree that some do think its an action movie, and thats why you have to be safe when exercising your rights.

 

[Chronic777]

What they actually see is the heat of the surface it's pointing at, they can't see through roofs.

When was the last time you heard of someone being busted from flir alone? Did the police say they busted people with flir or did they imply it to frighten people?

If they didn't state outright that they use this technology alone to bust people then it's not true..

They have openly stated it through bbc news website saying their using it, all im really saying is when they showed the roofs from the helicopter you could see glowing yellow/red tubes, maybe the lights were really heating spots on the roof, but i doubt it that would be a fire hazard for sure.

This is the news article

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=153053

 

[funkervogt]

They have openly stated it through bbc news website saying their using it, all im really saying is when they showed the roofs from the helicopter you could see glowing yellow/red tubes, maybe the lights were really heating spots on the roof, but i doubt it that would be a fire hazard for sure.

This is the news article

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=153053

These guys found a MASSIVE grow in a small town in a Southern UK town. The article stated the place was covered in snow, so any hot spots would show up clearly. It's very likely this person was dumping the exhaust straight out he building which lead to the easy bust (because of the snow!)

Thermal imaging [which is readily implemented by police through Forward-Looking InfraRed (FLIR)] can't see through walls; its forward looking, scanning the surface of objects. If that place was a power house, dumping a ton of exhaust straight out the building, the cloud of heat would clearly show up on thermals. If they were spreading the heat underground, the house would look normal. This is why FLIR can't see hot water heaters, etc., or there would be a number of false positives. Thermals can't see through walls, only the heat signatures left on those walls.

 

[SOTF420]

Get yourself some high powered LED lights and a quality grow tent indoors with the reflective heat shielding material in it ( the shiny silver lining) and you don't have to worry about this shit.

 

[meduser180056]

Flir doesn't work during the day anyhow.

They do that stuff at night after everythings cooled off.

 

[arrg]

 

[ClosetAdvocate]

I thought it had been ruled unconstitutional for LEO to use heat detection on private residences a few years ago?

I think it has. As a result, I'm pretty sure they need a warrant to use FLIR and have it as admissible evidence in court.

However, I don't think all cops are that honest and I wouldn't rule out them using FLIR to follow up on a tip or hunch and then do a knock and visit type thing.

..."Hey how ya doin' we're in the neighborhood... blah blah blah... mind if we come in?"

 

[ClosetAdvocate]

I'll tell you what it is. Inside that chopper is the money you could be saving with Geico,...watching you.

Flir doesn't work during the day anyhow.

They do that stuff at night after everythings cooled off.

I think if the temperature difference is great enough they can use it during the daytime. However, if it's 90 degrees out and the air being exhausted is 85 then it probably won't make much difference.

All that being said, if you can exhaust into a crawlspace or something that'd be best. You can always throw a dehumidifier down there to take out any moisture, but at least you don't have to worry about a hot air being exhausted on cold days.

 

[BPRES]

Cops using FLIR and noticing a large heat source is not enough evidence on it's own to procede with any action. There are plenty of other causes for large amounts of heat... like reptile breeders for example, all those animals need heat by cable, mats, or lamps. A full room of heating lamps/pads would surely set off FLIR..so what?

 

[~fvk~]

Just because it's not enough evidence to bust you doesn't mean you wont start to be watched, and when you're being scrutinized it's probably pretty easy to slip up. Yeah, it was ruled unconstitutional to use FLIR without a warrant, but since when have cops have had to adhere to the law? Do you really think if there's a cop chop in the air at night with IR technology, they're not going to use it? Do you think that if they see a house with a shitload of hotspots, they're just going to forget about it? The Patriot Act trumped the constitution when it comes to the 4th amendment and they can pretty much do what they want to in order fight "terrorism."

Not trying to instill fear but this is a reality that most people don't want to deal with and have become complacent about. All you can really do is make sure you take the risks into consideration when you start a grow that can probably show up on FLIR, along with taking the counter measures to ensure that you most likely wont. But yeah, daytime? Wouldn't even sweat it.

 

[Chronic777]

Thermal imaging [which is readily implemented by police through Forward-Looking InfraRed (FLIR)] can't see through walls; its forward looking, scanning the surface of objects. If that place was a power house, dumping a ton of exhaust straight out the building, the cloud of heat would clearly show up on thermals. If they were spreading the heat underground, the house would look normal. This is why FLIR can't see hot water heaters, etc., or there would be a number of false positives. Thermals can't see through walls, only the heat signatures left on those walls.

Maybe the 'glowing tubes' i was seeing on that tv program were exaughst vents then, but to me they looked like bulbs, also, it was during broad day light & they could see them

Ive got wooden walls, so they can't even see through them right?
Just surfaces?

 

[LunaShadow]

Maybe the 'glowing tubes' i was seeing on that tv program were exaughst vents then, but to me they looked like bulbs, also, it was during broad day light & they could see them

Ive got wooden walls, so they can't even see through them right?
Just surfaces?

The reason that program showed those results were most likely someone had a 1000 watt bulb with no reflector in an uninsulated attic right next to the eves.

Put a few layers of insulation (foil/bubble wrap from homebase) between the bulb and any outside walls, and don't vent out of the house and you will be ok.

Try to get a layer of air too between the outside wall and the insulation. Think room within a room...

You will always get helcopters hovering above your house living in a city. If you in the middle of nowhere and it happens maybe then you could start to worry, but even then they are most likely looking for car jackers hiding in a field.

Don't sweat it bro

 

[Chronic777]

Ive got a small tent inside an insulated wooden room, as long as they can't see through the wood, im good
I wonder if they pointed it at a tent if they could see the bulb through the plastic? Cause the plastic tent surface isn't hot

Im not exactly worried as im only growing one plant, but its good to know what they can/can't see for obvious reasons...
My extraction hardly gives off any heat (250w) & extracts into the room not outside so thst def not an issue

Link coming for the tv program...

 

[LunaShadow]

with that set up you'll be fine.

It detects surface temps, so as long as the outer most wall isn't hot you're fine.

 

[Chronic777]

8mins into this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOMNwwSAukc&feature=channel

Im not scaremongering, just trying to give an inside look... if you look at the first house they look at, thats a seriously bright light!
I don't think thats a vent, but a bulb in the attic that must be heating the roof?

 

[funkervogt]

8mins into this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOMNwwSAukc&feature=channel

Im not scaremongering, just trying to give an inside look... if you look at the first house they look at, thats a seriously bright light!
I don't think thats a vent, but a bulb in the attic that must be heating the roof?

(@ 9:30 in the video)

Yeah, that first house had their bulbs installed right next to the attic roof it seems. Other "suspicious" properties following had hot windows, hot vents, etc.

They were using the exact same FLIR technology we use here in the states. Bottom line: ensure your heat is correctly distributed, and avoid growing near the top of the house ("We look at the tops of houses, roofs, for any heat signatures out of the ordinary" - FLIR LEO in video). They were not picking out anybody that had a basement grow in this video for this very good reason!

 

[meduser180056]

I saw that DEA Detroit show and it showed them using flir from above to verify a basement grow in someones house. The foundation of his house glowed bright while all his neighbors didn't. They were already on to the guy though it wasn't some random flyover.