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Real OLD SCHOOL - Cherry Oil
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I'll let you know in the morning. lol
ahaha...right on my friend
I have a small chunck Lebanese red, I got a while back
internet purchase.....I think I save for Christmas eve
lol....
I used to save chunks of my gold seal black hash
I used to get all the time back in the 90s
and enjoy it with baileys in the coffee
and black hash, Christmas mornings....lol
a little extra treat for myself....lol
I have a small chunck Lebanese red, I got a while back
internet purchase.....I think I save for Christmas eve
lol....
I used to save chunks of my gold seal black hash
I used to get all the time back in the 90s
and enjoy it with baileys in the coffee
and black hash, Christmas mornings....lol
a little extra treat for myself....lol
the old school red hash oil was made out of red hash.
same with the blond hash oil.
the hash was put into a iso2 machine. alcohol or
acetone was used in the iso2. was heated then
evaporated with a cooling tower. then dripped thru
your hash/pot back into bottom to be heated again.
than you could evaporate off the alcohol. vola oil
you could go 1 step farther. by adding a acid to the
oil/alcohol mix before evaporating and heat 45 minutes
to isomerize. that changed cbd and others into thc.
then baking soda was added. then alcohol was distilled
off and out came your oil. filling little vials sucked..
i still got the old iso2 machine. i like butane hash better.
the red hash makes red BHO also. very strong hash taste
but no cherry flavor.
so you would need to find a strain that has red tric's
i do not know where you would look. the plant that these
came off of. i have been growing since 1982.
might look for some kind of turkish strain they were red
most the time. the afghan is not the same over there now.
i grew out some seed from over there a little while back.
was 2014 i was handed the seed from herat afghanistan
the seed they plant for hash.was not a very stoney.
here are 2 .pdf's on the iso2 machine.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9kra51Milz3NDAzNmVlNzctNjFlNC00YThlLWEzOGEtZjg5NzM5YTNhNDRk/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9kra51Milz3NDAyYmJlMjYtZDRkMy00ZThhLWJhZTgtNGY1MjgwYWU5NDQ1/view
here is a photo of red dry sift hash.
anyhow good luck on your chase.
Lrus007
same with the blond hash oil.
the hash was put into a iso2 machine. alcohol or
acetone was used in the iso2. was heated then
evaporated with a cooling tower. then dripped thru
your hash/pot back into bottom to be heated again.
than you could evaporate off the alcohol. vola oil
you could go 1 step farther. by adding a acid to the
oil/alcohol mix before evaporating and heat 45 minutes
to isomerize. that changed cbd and others into thc.
then baking soda was added. then alcohol was distilled
off and out came your oil. filling little vials sucked..
i still got the old iso2 machine. i like butane hash better.
the red hash makes red BHO also. very strong hash taste
but no cherry flavor.
so you would need to find a strain that has red tric's
i do not know where you would look. the plant that these
came off of. i have been growing since 1982.
might look for some kind of turkish strain they were red
most the time. the afghan is not the same over there now.
i grew out some seed from over there a little while back.
was 2014 i was handed the seed from herat afghanistan
the seed they plant for hash.was not a very stoney.
here are 2 .pdf's on the iso2 machine.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9kra51Milz3NDAzNmVlNzctNjFlNC00YThlLWEzOGEtZjg5NzM5YTNhNDRk/view
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9kra51Milz3NDAyYmJlMjYtZDRkMy00ZThhLWJhZTgtNGY1MjgwYWU5NDQ1/view
here is a photo of red dry sift hash.
anyhow good luck on your chase.
Lrus007
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hey there,
thank you so much for your input, and knowledgeable experience
as well as your google drive links, I downloaded for further review
interesting comments,
I have thought kinda along the same lines, and I believe the material is key, as well as recipe....
the acetone and acid/sodium treatment as well....may lend a hand to the perceived "cherry flavor"....however, the starting point would be material to use
I thought a type of cherry flavor weed to start with some red phenos, im currently growing cherry bomb experiement1,
experiment2 my selection is the red leb hash plant,
(keeping in mind that a material that was in abundance and was known to be smuggled in large quantities)
my guess of late 70s red cherry oil was BOEL related, organized and massive
I have read about the red hash being pressed into resin
(red oil)...and the CIA confiscating and destroying the massive presses, 8 presses seized,
that's also in line with the oil disappearing off the black market, as fast as it appeared.
cherry oil was around for less then a couple years, late 70s
then disappeared FOREVER...
I actually had it way back when I was in high school, im 55 now
it was a devine, delicious oil, -best ive ever had
it was a vibrant red, smooth to spread, tasted like cherry
smelt like cherry when burnt, clean white smoke, great euphoric buzz....amazing stuff I tell you...
if you know anything more about it, or come across anything in the future, please post here....I need all the help I can get
I do have a fresh batch of bekka valley red leb seed
on its way from gentlemen in Italy....experiment2
I have also speculated about PCK hash plant with red purple phenos,
another large smuggle type material in abundance in the kush regions afghan and Pakistan regions
as well as pananma red, another material in abundance of the era
so that's my train of thought there, what material was in abundance of the era that was exotic, foreign and smuggled
(black market) of the late 70s
I believe find the material, then experiment with different recipes
what kind of acid are you talking ?
and that is to alter the ph...correct ?
what would the desired ph level be ?
-axle b robot
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the acid part should be in 1 of the .pdf's
there was 1 more part for the iso2.
was a filter kit so you could run oil/alcohol thru.
a funnel a buchner flask that you ran oil mix thru
charcoal. it would change the color of the oil.
the ph i do not know. i bet you could get a cherry terpene
for your cherry flavor.
Lrus007
there was 1 more part for the iso2.
was a filter kit so you could run oil/alcohol thru.
a funnel a buchner flask that you ran oil mix thru
charcoal. it would change the color of the oil.
the ph i do not know. i bet you could get a cherry terpene
for your cherry flavor.
Lrus007
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From my experience using both, I found with the ethanol I could detect a slight taste, like corn. ISO is way cheaper so I use that now.
thank you for this post,
now when you speak of a cherry terpene,
what were you thinking there...?
a cherry terpene type flavor inadvertanly created through
the process with acetone , acid and/or charcoal filter...
or where you thinking of a possible cherry terpene additive
you can purchase somewhere...?
that is damn curious.....lol
-axle
ya, I recently got my hands on a bottle of 190 proof everclear
grain alcohol ...and I noticed a slight taste too....
but I couldn't put my finger on it....mind you its a quality oil ive made (cold evap) then reheated to thicken....
interesting you say that, I thought it was just me being over critical of my oil batch. recipe and process...
but I have other stuff I made with ISO 99
and it tastes awesome, smells great when burnt...
quantum kush buds, extract into a nice light brown oil
I can get iso 99, but everclear is illegal in my province, Canada
I had a buddy bring one back for me,
he went stateside one weekend for nascar,
and brought me back a liter of the stuff $30 CAN...
I got 3 small batches from it ($10 a batch)
I can do 1 batch with iso 99 for $6...
so that math, the ISO is approx. 40% cheaper
a batch I process min 1oz-1.5oz
3-5 g resin oil, made from pure bud
I like my oil on the thick viscosity side
but not too thick you rip papers spreading it...
and I like it smooth and shinny on the surface
I filter 3 times....
-axle
i looked for the hell of it.
https://www.true-blue.co/products/cherry-flavor
cherry flavor.
also i have made a lot of oils from many solvents.
for your best flavor/ return ect. i would say make BHO
vs a everclear or iso oil. then most any plant if budded
a long time. will have some amber tric's
Lrus007
https://www.true-blue.co/products/cherry-flavor
cherry flavor.
also i have made a lot of oils from many solvents.
for your best flavor/ return ect. i would say make BHO
vs a everclear or iso oil. then most any plant if budded
a long time. will have some amber tric's
Lrus007
frackin "a".....brother
that is a pretty sight to see that,
im going to order some and experiment....
haha....that will at least assist in the flavor side of things
very cool....
-axle b robot
while poking around on a web site of flavored terpene additives I discovered this little nugget....see below
a very good read especially the "cherry flavor" isolated as benzaldehyde, now I have a chemical name for a very specific flavor....and how its related to benzene, which some oil extract recipes make mention of....very interesting and a small step forward, perhaps....
Extract Consultants understands that everyone wants a cherry flavor, it is one of the most if not THE most common and popular flavor types there is. That is why we feel it is important to educate you that using any Cherry or Cherry-like flavor could result in a regulatory issue regarding benzene. Benzene is a banned chemical in many states and cherry flavors ALL contain a natural chemical called benzaldehyde found in cherries, and cannot be made without it. Benzaldehyde will always degrade and convert to benzene over time, which is why it is important to use it quickly before degradation and why we warn our customers that using cherry flavor types could lead to regulatory issues if your product is older and has degraded. False positives for benzene testing in cherry flavors can occur even without degradation, so it is a flavor that needs a cautionary approach to its use. Please call us to discuss further or if you have interest in purchasing a cherry flavor.
a very good read especially the "cherry flavor" isolated as benzaldehyde, now I have a chemical name for a very specific flavor....and how its related to benzene, which some oil extract recipes make mention of....very interesting and a small step forward, perhaps....
Extract Consultants understands that everyone wants a cherry flavor, it is one of the most if not THE most common and popular flavor types there is. That is why we feel it is important to educate you that using any Cherry or Cherry-like flavor could result in a regulatory issue regarding benzene. Benzene is a banned chemical in many states and cherry flavors ALL contain a natural chemical called benzaldehyde found in cherries, and cannot be made without it. Benzaldehyde will always degrade and convert to benzene over time, which is why it is important to use it quickly before degradation and why we warn our customers that using cherry flavor types could lead to regulatory issues if your product is older and has degraded. False positives for benzene testing in cherry flavors can occur even without degradation, so it is a flavor that needs a cautionary approach to its use. Please call us to discuss further or if you have interest in purchasing a cherry flavor.
thank you kind sir,...
I like to invite people, and inspire people to participate in this thread, collectively perhaps we can figure it out,
the late 70s cherry oil that is, and how it was made and with what material and recipe
it has been lost for 30 yrs or more...
anyone, is welcome to put forth their 2 cents, on any subject content related, even if its just a thought...?
I appreciate it all....
only with all your help, can I even begin to try and figure it out
along with a lot of experiments...
-axle
for a better canada.....lol
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CannaRed
Cannabinerd
I've heard on the Adam Dunn Show several times that alot of CBD strains have a cherry taste. So is benzaldehyde in cannabis flowers?
Is that what people are smelling or is it terpene combos?
Benzaldehyde is sensitive but the product is more likely to be benzoic acid. Redistillation of a liter does not give benzene heads. Some clone may have enough to be cherry but that would still be a very small amount. The smoking part is where things get interesting. You've already been smoking benzene if you've been smoking things. Benzene is not banned in any state and it's naturally in many foods and the air you're breathing - even more on your breath.
The Consultants may not be the safety idols you're looking for, since no terpene is GRAS for vaping. That doesn't even count the known conversion of terpenes to benzene on smoking:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5623941
The Consultants may not be the safety idols you're looking for, since no terpene is GRAS for vaping. That doesn't even count the known conversion of terpenes to benzene on smoking:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5623941
another interesting find in my pursuit of real authentic
cherry oil of the late 70s....I do have some red leb seed on the way for experiment 2....
read this...excerpt
Lebanese Red and Blonde
Lebanese is another Sativa/Indica cross of short stature and density. A bit shorter and bushier than the Moroccan, it had a dark reddish hue.
The legendary Red Lebanese hash holds its own place. Red Leb had the distinct pine/juniper flavor and aroma, with a tangy spice leather to the exhaled smoke. It was sharp on the sinuses and nasal passages.
Most Red Leb hash was screened and pressed, except for the legendary Red Lebanese Honey Oil. The famed oil, only available to me from 1973-77, was in a class all of its own. The oil had a sharp juniper/cedar smell to it. It was the most powerful, lung expansive cannabis product that I had ever encountered. We would buy these glass oil pipes simply to find them useless, as no one could hold even the smallest toke of this stuff.
The oil had to be smeared onto a rolling paper or the side of a cigarette, or it had to be chased into a pile of herb with a flame from below. It was truly some of the finest. The home-grown isomerized oils of the 80’s were pale in comparison to the great Red Leb.
very interesting....
ax
cherry oil of the late 70s....I do have some red leb seed on the way for experiment 2....
read this...excerpt
Lebanese Red and Blonde
Lebanese is another Sativa/Indica cross of short stature and density. A bit shorter and bushier than the Moroccan, it had a dark reddish hue.
The legendary Red Lebanese hash holds its own place. Red Leb had the distinct pine/juniper flavor and aroma, with a tangy spice leather to the exhaled smoke. It was sharp on the sinuses and nasal passages.
Most Red Leb hash was screened and pressed, except for the legendary Red Lebanese Honey Oil. The famed oil, only available to me from 1973-77, was in a class all of its own. The oil had a sharp juniper/cedar smell to it. It was the most powerful, lung expansive cannabis product that I had ever encountered. We would buy these glass oil pipes simply to find them useless, as no one could hold even the smallest toke of this stuff.
The oil had to be smeared onto a rolling paper or the side of a cigarette, or it had to be chased into a pile of herb with a flame from below. It was truly some of the finest. The home-grown isomerized oils of the 80’s were pale in comparison to the great Red Leb.
very interesting....
ax
more research, interesting tidbit from a paper published
Oxford University "Journal of Chromatographic Science"
testing of leb seized slabs of resin
J. Chromatographic Sci. 22, 282(1984).
Abstract
Samples taken from 61 slabs of cannabis resin originating in The Lebanon were examined by high performance liquid chromatography. The slabs were derived from seizures of cannabis resin made over a three-year period. From a study of 14 of these samples, taken from bags which bore a number of identical stamp marks, it was shown that there was a correlation between the cannabinoid distribution and the marks. The remaining 47 samples of cannabis resin, all of which were from bags with different marks, were each found to have a unique cannabinoid distribution. Such an examination can therefore be used to aid investigations where evidence of a common origin is sought.
interesting to note, illegal mass produced seizers have been donated for testing
years ago of course, but interesting
-axle
Oxford University "Journal of Chromatographic Science"
testing of leb seized slabs of resin
J. Chromatographic Sci. 22, 282(1984).
Abstract
Samples taken from 61 slabs of cannabis resin originating in The Lebanon were examined by high performance liquid chromatography. The slabs were derived from seizures of cannabis resin made over a three-year period. From a study of 14 of these samples, taken from bags which bore a number of identical stamp marks, it was shown that there was a correlation between the cannabinoid distribution and the marks. The remaining 47 samples of cannabis resin, all of which were from bags with different marks, were each found to have a unique cannabinoid distribution. Such an examination can therefore be used to aid investigations where evidence of a common origin is sought.
interesting to note, illegal mass produced seizers have been donated for testing
years ago of course, but interesting
-axle
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ive ordered in some terps,
I got cherry terps (fruit section), and cherry pie terps (cannabis strain section)
in attempt to "flavor" my oil extracts...
these terps were expensive for what they are, 5ml small bottles/vials
so I got 2, 5mls, 1 of each....$90 then they throw another $50 shipping
and that's in USD, converted to CAN ...this little venture costs about $190
so ive got em, and tried the cherry (fruit) one, added several drops into
about 1 gram oil, re heated oil to blend, and the oil went thin on me
a little cherry flavor noted, but not what im looking for
my next experiment will be putting the terps in the extract prior to evap
I will try the cherry pie terps, right into the extract, mix, then evap
and see how that goes
I got cherry terps (fruit section), and cherry pie terps (cannabis strain section)
in attempt to "flavor" my oil extracts...
these terps were expensive for what they are, 5ml small bottles/vials
so I got 2, 5mls, 1 of each....$90 then they throw another $50 shipping
and that's in USD, converted to CAN ...this little venture costs about $190
so ive got em, and tried the cherry (fruit) one, added several drops into
about 1 gram oil, re heated oil to blend, and the oil went thin on me
a little cherry flavor noted, but not what im looking for
my next experiment will be putting the terps in the extract prior to evap
I will try the cherry pie terps, right into the extract, mix, then evap
and see how that goes
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