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real deal moantain kush

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Afghanicus

wat was the germ rate on the sensi hindu kush ive read alot about poor germ rates,i seen a couple of sensi hndu kush years ago and from wat i rememeber they where extremely short an grew a thickmain stem, finished after about 54 days and was lovely lemon kush weed, not to strong but just nice to smoke and relax about 2 feet tall but they did stink

i got 100% germination from the sensi hindu kush i'm happy to say :) I got two packs but i've only planted one at this stage. The other i will do later on. I like the description of this strain and i was after something that wasn't overly strong that you can smoke regular and put you in a nice relaxed/mellow state of mind. All the seedlings look quite uniform but one has leaflets which are a little more narrow than the others. Typical dark green almost glaucus leaves. I'll let you know how they go.

peace
 

phrank

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I am...

I am...

green with envy!!! If you ever have any seeds that need a home... Anyway, beautiful plants!

jealous as hell,

phrank
 

jaykush

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beautiful varietys as awlays smokaholik. always good to see some real kush, it just brings a smile to my face.
 

kathmandu

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i have been wanting to plan a trip to tirah valley for so long to acquire diff seeds. it is a treasure of an area for wonderful genetics as your post prove smokaholic. if i do end up going in the near future i may be pming you with a few questions if thats alright.
love this thread by the way
 

Elephunk

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What an awesome thread. I love the work you and your friends are doing. I would love nothing more than to be able to travel the world in search of the finest, most rare strains and breed them. You're a lucky man.
 

ngakpa

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hey - Smokaholik, nice to see you back man - for all its dificultuies, Pakistan is a country I truly love - Zindabad!

... maybe Mriko will also grace us with a few posts soon, I hope so...

Dubi - I have some Tirah indica seeds which I hope to make available sometime later this year... I hope they prove as nice as the Tirah indica gardah I tried... that stuff was gloriously strong... instant narcosis or overwhelming existential angst - take your pick... lol ... it was from Orakzai via Landi Kotal - other people I was with didn't have the problem, but I found the terpenoid content would burn my sinuses when I first started smoking it... the SCC mentions a Kandahari, a Tirah, a Khyber Agency or two, (as well as the Afghani No.1... which finishes in the middle of October...) all of these areas are in the so-called "Pashtun belt"... I think all of them inc. the Afghan No.1 are from a different landrace area than Mazar-i-Sharif genepool (likely closer to Uzbeki and Tajik?)

Kathmandu - apologies if I am falling back into my "know-it-all" role here but talk of visiting Tirah Valley is a bit out there, seriously - most folk will tell you only a one way ticket is needed for that trip... as an Angrese about as meaningfully close you will get is Landi Kotal, and that is not a relaxing place for a tourist to go shopping... kgs or nothing, and all that implies...

Tirah stretches through three of the seven Tribal Agencies between Pakistan and Afghanistan - Khyber Agency, Orakzai and Kurram

once you set foot off the Grand Trunk Road only tribal laws apply... cf. Pashtunwali
http://www.khyber.org/culture/pashtunwali.shtml

Profiles of FATA's Seven Tribal Agencies (Federally Adminstered Tribal Agencies)

http://jamestown.org/terrorism/news/article.php?articleid=2370168

[... to be taken with a pinch of salt - but these places are very dangerous for outsiders... you should view any offers to guide you there with great caution]

1. Khyber Agency: It derives its name from the world famous Khyber Pass which provides the most vital and important link between Pakistan and Afghanistan. With a population of around 500,000, it is inhabited by two important tribes—Afridis and Shinwaris. Afridis are widely known as courageous, although British historians remember them as a rebellious and treacherous tribe. While short tempered, Afridis are known as good fighters who are pragmatic in picking their battles and making alliances. They respect Sufis (mystics) and their shrines, which intellectually aligns them with Barelvi Sunnis, the antidote of conservative and pro-Taliban Deobandi groups. The Afridi tribe has also produced great men of literature. Shinwaris, the second largest tribe of this agency, are also influential, but its members mostly inhabit the Ningrahar province of Afghanistan. They are largely involved in business activities. In recent years, Khyber Agency has been a trouble spot known for hosting illegal radio stations supporting religious extremism and encouraging pro-Taliban activities (Dawn, December 2, 2004; Dawn, December 19, 2005).

2. Kurram Agency: Comparatively more accessible than other agencies, it has a population of about 450,000 and is home to two tribes—Turi and Bangash. A land of gardens and orchards, this agency has often been called pro-Northern Alliance because the Bangash tribe predominantly belongs to the Shiite sect of Islam, which is anti-Taliban in its orientation. Turi tribe (Turkic origin), known for its strong and hardy horsemen, also belongs to the Shiite sect and has been at loggerheads with pro-Taliban, Deobandi elements in the neighboring area. Some non-Shiite extremists in the area, however, were supportive of the Taliban, although with little effectiveness.

3. Bajaur Agency: Smallest of all, this agency is largely inaccessible due to its hilly terrain. With a population of about 600,000, it borders Afghanistan's Kunar province, which is a hotbed of Taliban forces. Its prominent tribes are Tarkani and Utman Khel. The alliance of religious political parties—namely the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal (MMA)—has great influence in this area since two MMA politicians from this agency are represented in the National Assembly and one in the Senate. There have been some unconfirmed recent media reports about the possibility of Osama bin Laden hiding in the area. An aerial attack, reportedly executed by the CIA and targeting Ayman al-Zawahiri, took place in a village in Bajaur Agency on January 13, killing 18 people. Al-Zawahiri was not found among the dead and the incident led to severe outrage in the area. It is also relevant that Abu Faraj al-Libbi, a senior member of al-Qaeda who was involved in an assassination attempt on President Pervez Musharraf, told interrogators after his arrest in May 2005 that he had lived in Bajaur for some time (Dawn, January 15).

4. Mohmand Agency: The agency takes its name from the Mohmand tribe who resides there and numbers about 350,000. Mohmands are a very powerful and influential tribe and are known as natural guerrilla fighters. One of the important themes among Mohmands is the description and details of the wars in which they have fought. Indeed, they are widely known to have given more trouble to the British than any other tribe. Another distinguishing mark is the importance that they give to their clerics and divine leaders—they fought most of their wars under the leadership of their mullahs. They are also known for practicing certain primitive customs. In reference to the political scenario, Mohmand tribal leaders challenged the idea of joint combing of the area by Pakistani and U.S. forces in 2003, and later the NWFP government (led by the MMA) came forward to support the stance of the Mohmand tribe (Asia Times, July 15, 2003). Despite that, Pakistani army units conducted various search operations in the area and tribal leaders decided not to opt for a head on collision with them. It is pertinent to mention, however, that al-Zawahiri is reportedly married to a woman from the Mohmand tribe who lives with her father in the border area between Bajaur and Mohmand agencies (Dawn, January 15).

5. Orakzai Agency: This small agency has a population of about 240,000 and is primarily inhabited by the Orakzai tribe from which it derives its name. The other important tribe in this area is Daulatzai. Unlike most of the agencies, Shiites and Sunnis both live side by side in Orakzai, although seldom in peace. Regular sectarian clashes have diminished the effectiveness and influence of the Orakzai tribe. This is the only agency that does not have a common border with Afghanistan. The present governor of the NWFP and former corps commander in the region, Lieutenant General (Retired) Ali Mohammad Jan Orakzai, belongs to this tribe. Some senior bureaucrats in the civil service of Pakistan also hail from this tribe giving them influence in the power corridors of Pakistan. Despite having a comparatively high literacy rate, the agency was the first one to ban NGO's from operating in the area, declaring them anti-Islamic. The possession of televisions has also been declared a crime here under the influence of the local Taliban.

6. North Waziristan: The second largest agency in terms of area, it hosts about 375,000 people, mostly belonging to the Wazir and Dawar tribes. The Waziristan region was a chronic headache for the British; even after the creation of Pakistan, Waziris continue to draw regular attention to Pakistan for their support of Pakhtoonistan/Pashtunistan (the joining of all Pashtun areas to create a new state) and hence maintained good relations with Afghanistan. Since the 1970s, however, Waziris joined the ranks of the Pakistani armed forces in considerable numbers as compared to members of other tribes. The transport business in the region is their monopoly. It is the kidnapping-for-ransom business, however, that they are most notorious for. As ironic as it may sound, Waziris are also fond of music and dancing, and despite the Taliban's influence they continue to cherish these hobbies. The Pakistani army's military operations in this agency started in 2002 and have led to a full-fledged military confrontation with Waziris. Many militant tribal leaders have become legendary figures in the process. Turning in their comrades to government authorities, as demanded by the army, meant a treacherous course of action for them. Interestingly, since the recent peace accord between Pakistan and the tribal elders of the agency, the Taliban have opened up offices in three important cities to "control law and order" (Daily Times, September 28).

7. South Waziristan: The largest agency in size, it is home to around 425,000 tribesmen from Mehsud and Wazir tribes. Both tribes are proud to have a formidable reputation as warriors and are known for their frequent blood feuds. Mehsuds, the majority tribe, according to historian Sir Olaf Caroe would never consider submitting to a foreign power that has entered their land. They are reputed to be good marksmen and are known for their trustworthiness. They are also the most independent of all the tribes and have the highest literacy rate among them. While they have produced many senior civil and military officers, the overall political leadership of South Waziristan is dominated by conservative mullahs. The two National Assembly members from this agency are clergymen affiliated with the MMA. Militants from Central Asia, especially those associated with the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan, were also based in this area. In 2004, they created a stir when they launched rockets at Peshawar city, targeting official buildings including military ones. Nek Mohammad, a notorious militant leader (although a hero to the region), was a Waziri from this agency.

A brief look at Malakand agency, which was converted into a district of the NWFP in 1970, is also pertinent here. The High Court of the NWFP extended its jurisdiction to this area in 1974. It has a population of around 550,000 and is inhabited by the Utman Khel clan (mostly peasants) and Yusufzais (Ranizais clan). Yusufzai are perhaps the largest, oldest, and most sophisticated of the Pashtuns. They are known to be hard-working agriculturalists, aristocratic in bearing and traditionally individual land holders. The area remained a seat of Gandhara art culture and is known for rare scenic places and tourist resorts. This area came into news headlines as a religious extremist movement under the name of Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi (TNSM) got its hold in the area in the early 1990s under a militant leader Sufi Mohammad (Terrorism Focus, May 17). In the wake of the U.S. military campaign in Afghanistan in late 2001, Sufi Mohammad took a small private army into Afghanistan to support the Taliban. He is currently in prison in Pakistan, but the movement he created has been reactivated recently. One positive development, however, was victory of a moderate party's candidate in elections for the mayor of Malakand district last year.

In comparison to tribal agencies, the Pashtuns living in the NWFP districts (called settled areas) are more educated, urbanized and even leftist political parties like the Awami National Party (ANP) have had decent electoral successes (barring the 2002 elections). The 2002 NWFP elections were the first time since the 1971 elections that religious parties did so well.
 
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sugabear_II

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great thread - thank you for sharing all these wonderful landrace genetics in picture form at least. It would be wonderful to get ahold of some of these... especially that kush sativa - she looks phenomenal :yes:

It sounds like your friend is doing large selections from the seeds you get back - how many beans does it usually take to find one of the keepers you have posted - 150 like the sativa?
 

nandro

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Bump for tha Landrace Kush players. I love this thread, I think I revisit it once a month just to keep my heart warm and fuzzy.

Peace,
Nandro :sasmokin:
 

Raco

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nandro!! great to see you! :wink:
Cripple Creek (Pine Tar KUSH x DC) :D
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OGorganic

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absolutly beautiful work bud.so happy to see some more landraces.love seeing new exotics.best tread on the forum IMO.
 
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looks nice raco.......look forward to the PTK x BK/DC I be sowin' soon......

ganj on...........
 

nandro

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Raco said:
nandro!! great to see you! :wink:
Cripple Creek (Pine Tar KUSH x DC) :D
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Que pasa mi armano?! Always great to see you, my brother.

MMMM Cripple Creek. Beautiful plant!
'nandro :sasmokin:
 

smokaholik

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first of can i say hello, happy holidaze, a happy new year and peace and blessings be on u all, sorry ive not been around for a long time but i havebeen in pakistan fr a long time lol :bashhead: thank u to every1 who has contributed to this thread and kept it alive

cottonmouth, jaydog, jaykush and phrank thank u for ure kind words my friends and its a pleaure to have ufly thru alwaysbut u have to stop witht he compliments imstarting to blush lol :muahaha:

kathmandu thanku for the props but mayi give u a word of warning like ngapka, tirah valley is a deffinate no go zone unless u speak pashto and ure from thearea or have family there and even then its a very hazardous place to be innormal situatins but within the last year extremely so, i have visitid tirah ona few occasions an thie sistuation is getting more volatile, for examaple in swat valley which is lovely and magical where last year tourists could have gone andi myself took white british friends ther last year , has this year become a war zone, residents have left the valley and there is fighting between army and militants and is a strict no go zone, so imagine tirah vally and the rest of the tibal belt, whichwhere no go zones inthe best of times, i implore u to not hed towards them areas unless liek ngapka said u gt a 1 way ticket

Ngapka thank u for spreading the love my good friend

hey sugarbear, thank u sir for ure kind words, in aswer to ure question well the ratios varies form seed batches and wat it is my friends r looking for, for example, the tirah sativa was pretty stable and consistant and u could find a winner in 25 seeds with the rest makign the grade 2 but one was so unique and exotc that she stook out head above the rest and ibealive to find at least another of her uniqueness wud take 150, with some of the others for example liekthe greasy afghani it the ratio ws mor like 1 in 50 witht he others baeing amazing but 1 being outstandin, but then again on some only a handfull where done lke 20 and 3 winners wheer found all different and all withthere own falvour , presonality and expression lol, anotjher eason it that some of the seeds r hash cultivars the locals use and some are wild landrace genetics., im sorry ima lil tired as its beena long fewmonths but if u hve any more questions i wuld be glad toasnwer specifics after some rest lol

Nandro awww my good friend im glad uliek this thread so much and just to keep ureheart even warmer and fuzzier may ishow u alil glimpse of my recent trip from october 2007 to jan 08 lol
 

smokaholik

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now for some pictures

this is batakkhel inthe hindu kush mountians and shows uthe terrain in some valleys





the next pictures show the journney north westward thru the hindu kush moantians





thi gives ua general sense ofthe scenery and climate, as u cansee in the next picture that some valleys can be lush and green where as others snowed under









and thenstr8 after that the climate changed again to dry and barren






withn a few valleys we where back to lush and green













it was winter tiem innorthern pakistan withthe snows coming in fast and my goals where to find more strains and plants that where stil lflowreing and coping with the weatehr conditoins











 

smokaholik

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hers some real deal landrace kush indica pictured inthe hindu kush maountians grwing likentured intended without any help from man lol








and another



 

smokaholik

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seeds where collected posted back to my friends and this lil kush growing into rocks with no root system inthe wild inthe middle of winter






has turnd into this lil kush princess well fed lol and nurtured







and another



 
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