Don't hold your breath looking for something good on USC's 72 Colombian - I grew that one out for 21 weeks, finally took it down because it wouldn't finish, got a huge yield of better than a kilo on one plant ( it was a monster), but the high was super weak.Hey just thought I'd let everyone know that according to phylos DNA testing of Dubi's IBL of Old Timer's Haze it appears directly related to legit Colombian Gold circa 1980. It's also highly likely this line originally came by way of Thailand possibly being derived 1975 commercial Thai Stick from the South East region.
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Thailand GAL 6251
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Cambodia GAL 6331
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Colombia GAL 6125
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1977 - "Raziel"/1980 Colombian Gold Crosby line/Ace's IBL of OldTimers Haze
Now I'm not saying there are not other Colombian Gold lines out there or that all Colombian Gold lines are Thai stick is grown in Colombia. Just that in this case it appears on phylos that this 1980 Colombian Gold line appears to have some of it's parentage derived from Thai Stick.
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It also appears in my opinion that 1980 - Crosby Colombian Gold/Old Timers Haze/ 1977 - Raziel represent the most worked pure landrance Sativas currently displayed on phylos and possibly the most worked/bred by man landrace Sativas in existence! So also quite possibly the best!
Many thanks to Thailand and Colombian growers, Crosby, Easy-A, Old Timer, Ace seeds/Dubi and Phylos galaxy for making this happen.
I'm not affiliated with any seed bank or company just interested in Cannabis origins and these are just my personal opinions. I actually just purchased USC's - 1972 Colombian Gold so have no have no dog in the fight either. Just calling it how I see it.
Also if you are out there JahGreenLabel and want your 72 Gold line DNA tested at phylos (or any another site) I'd be happy to cover you costs.
Enjoy!
I had a very different experience growing Cg72, I had no problem finding two good mothers, I started with two packs. The high was awesome and similar in all the plants, the most euphorical strain I know.Don't hold your breath looking for something good on USC's 72 Colombian - I grew that one out for 21 weeks, finally took it down because it wouldn't finish, got a huge yield of better than a kilo on one plant ( it was a monster), but the high was super weak.
I think that strain has been inbred so many times that it is a small distant light compared to it's original.
I ended up throwing the stuff away because it just took to much smoking to get to a satisfactory level of high.
Maybe you could get a good potent example if you grew out enough seed, but you would need a large growing area, My plant was tied down to 5 ft tall and was 6 ft wide.
I bought 3 or 4 packs from Cristalin, just before they shut down their website. I am not sure what the status of the genetics was at that point, but I know of 2 other growers who had the same experience as I did.I had a very different experience growing Cg72, I had no problem finding two good mothers, I started with two packs. The high was awesome and similar in all the plants, the most euphorical strain I know.
I think you were just unlucky ? Or maybe the last version from USC is different, I don't know. The seeds I grew were the last from Jahgreenlabel at USC.
According to a Times article 1979, there was an introduction of Thai genetics in 1977.Hey just thought I'd let everyone know that according to phylos DNA testing of Dubi's IBL of Old Timer's Haze it appears directly related to legit Colombian Gold circa 1980. It's also highly likely this line originally came by way of Thailand possibly being derived 1975 commercial Thai Stick from the South East region.
Thai Stick
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Thailand GAL 6251
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Cambodia GAL 6331
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Colombia GAL 6125
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1977 - "Raziel"/1980 Colombian Gold Crosby line/Ace's IBL of OldTimers Haze
Now I'm not saying there are not other Colombian Gold lines out there or that all Colombian Gold lines are Thai stick is grown in Colombia. Just that in this case it appears on phylos that this 1980 Colombian Gold line appears to have some of it's parentage derived from Thai Stick.
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It also appears in my opinion that 1980 - Crosby Colombian Gold/Old Timers Haze/ 1977 - Raziel represent the most worked pure landrance Sativas currently displayed on phylos and possibly the most worked/bred by man landrace Sativas in existence! So also quite possibly the best!
Many thanks to Thailand and Colombian growers, Crosby, Easy-A, Old Timer, Ace seeds/Dubi and Phylos galaxy for making this happen.
I'm not affiliated with any seed bank or company just interested in Cannabis origins and these are just my personal opinions. I actually just purchased USC's - 1972 Colombian Gold so have no have no dog in the fight either. Just calling it how I see it.
Also if you are out there JahGreenLabel and want your 72 Gold line DNA tested at phylos (or any another site) I'd be happy to cover you costs.
Enjoy!
Interesting, that's all I will sayDon't hold your breath looking for something good on USC's 72 Colombian - I grew that one out for 21 weeks, finally took it down because it wouldn't finish, got a huge yield of better than a kilo on one plant ( it was a monster), but the high was super weak.
I think that strain has been inbred so many times that it is a small distant light compared to it's original.
I ended up throwing the stuff away because it just took to much smoking to get to a satisfactory level of high.
Maybe you could get a good potent example if you grew out enough seed, but you would need a large growing area, My plant was tied down to 5 ft tall and was 6 ft wide.all
I had it saved in large bulk bags for around 3 months. It didn't improve much, so out it went.How long a cure did you gave it.? I exprienced myself with tropical sativas that the buds Straight after drying is not that potent.
Cheers
interestinghe Arhuaco Indians in the higher altitudes are growing an even more potent variety of pot: Mona (blond) plants so pale that they look bleached.
Interesting and how was the smoke?interesting
when I was there in the late 70’s the waiter who got it for me called it “blonde"
it had no green and looked “real" blonde
ie.not yellow blonde
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a few years ago ..I was given 80’s col gold seed kept in a fridge for that long apparently
it is like some of the good commercial Colombia we used to get
...which was hybrid looking
we seldom ever got the skinny stuff
good weed but not great weed
I hope you dont mindCannabis originally from Thailand is part of the Summer "Da Lata" in Brazil. "Da Lata" was named for the unusual appearance of thousands of aluminum cans in 1987 on the beaches of São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and even further south on the coast of Rio Grande do Sul. 22 tons of marijuana, in approximately 15 thousand cans, were thrown to the sea by a boat which was supposed to take the cans from Thailand to Miami. The DEA and the Brazilian Navy worked together to seize the boat but the crew threw all the cans near the Brazilian coast. History Channel has a series of documentary films that detail this amazing history of Brazilian Cannabis culture. See below: Documentary: https://www.seuhistory.com/programas/verao-da-lata
This is the full movie from history channel, it is just in portugheseFunny you mention that. There was an Indonesian ship that was packed to the hilt with that bud en route to the USA, via the coast of South America, and was being tracked by the DEA in the mid eighties. The crew were alerted that it would be boarded the next day and they began to desperately unload the cargo (stored in 1 gallon milk cans) into the sea. The following weeks were like Christmas to stoners. Tons of cans washed onto shore and floated all through Rio and made many people happy and became an instant legend. The bud was exquisite as you mention, and had Indonesian newspapers lining the cans...
A friend of mine found one and to this day he has a nickname associated with the cans heheh. Too bad we can't get that herb here anymore...
Here's the article on it, has pictures of the cans etc..the ship was called Solana Star
The ship was a made in Taiwan, reformed in Australia, and when it was intercepted on route to the USA from Asia, it was flying a Panamanian flag and was working for some "company" called Compal Investments. They were boarded by the Federal Police near the coast and the cans had already been thrown overboard.
There were 20,000 cans with 1.5 kilos per can thrown overboard when they found out that the DEA were on their trail. The summer of 1988 became known as the Summer of the Can. lol
Cannabis originally from Thailand is part of the Summer "Da Lata" in Brazil. "Da Lata" was named for the unusual appearance of thousands of aluminum cans in 1987 on the beaches of São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro and even further south on the coast of Rio Grande do Sul. 22 tons of marijuana, in approximately 15 thousand cans, were thrown to the sea by a boat which was supposed to take the cans from Thailand to Miami. The DEA and the Brazilian Navy worked together to seize the boat but the crew threw all the cans near the Brazilian coast. History Channel has a series of documentary films that detail this amazing history of Brazilian Cannabis culture. See below: Documentary: https://www.seuhistory.com/programas/verao-da-lata
That's quite intriguing. Being Australian I remember the 80's weed here as being very high priced. We had weed droughts where ounces would reach $450. We had imports from Asia, middle east, and even Colombia. Seems crazy to ship weed from Thailand to Australia bound for Miami, when there was such a market here.I hope you dont mind
The cans were wrapped in indonesian newspapers, the ship left from Australia, not from Thailand
I know people that got some of the Thai stick seeds to sprout, so yes some of them did. In those days in Australia people were just crossing whatever with whatever, but Thai genetics was in a lot of the early Australian hybrids, probably Mullumbimby Madness and Old Mother Sativa. Wish we all knew what we were doing back then.Free on Board
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There seems to always come up the question of Thai genetics in Colombian weed.
... and perhaps some of the seeds were not so smashed from compressing.
Would they sprout ?
Did you open pollinate?I had a very different experience growing Cg72, I had no problem finding two good mothers, I started with two packs. The high was awesome and similar in all the plants, the most euphorical strain I know.
I think you were just unlucky ? Or maybe the last version from USC is different, I don't know. The seeds I grew were the last from Jahgreenlabel at USC.