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question for sam the skunkman on the original haze

FTL

Well-known member
I had the same experience. Had to beg for a sativa and got a hybrid that labelled a sativa (it wasn't). Then had to tell them what to order, finally got the Thai which was ok, and it got deleted. That was my last straw. If I had found a haze I probably would have got it, but couldn't find any at the time. The other issue is that a lot of these have been renamed so you have to dig around to find what they actually are.

Yes did the old switch in old containers and travelled with it. Might go back on it for the convenience of travel.

Sorry to derail the thread with Oz MC talk. Nevils fault! (jk)
I had to go back to post#1 and check what the original topic for this thread was ...... pretty sure ya mentioned haze mate, she’s all good ;)
 

ledo

Chasing the Present
Agreed, he plainly didn't have what they thought he had and he obviously didn't inform them of that matter, or allowed them to think otherwise the cheeky fella.
As an investor group we chatted them up along with so many others for their seed rounds & series A+B; in their particular case we could smell the stench from the states from the early beginnings…. From a group of 50+ accredited individuals I don’t believe a single person invested, that was a rareity…

wanna know another…? Phylos, not one person invested - Mowgli was sleazy AF 😂
 

Nexus7

Well-known member
Glad that's the case now, but it wasn't when I signed up for MC. I pretty much gave up on it and went back to growing, but I'll have another look. (y)
Just tried to have a look but cannareviews has been threatened by the TGA it seems, and no products listed.

The only real sativa I could get at the time was Wild Thai, which felt like a hybrid but was ok. It got canned due to the indica crowd giving it bad reviews coz it wasn't solid or sparkly enough.

I'd stick with the growing as a lot of the MC Sativas are like the wild Thailand -more hybrid types, but they do have a few Haze hybrids like Outlaw Amnesia, Amnesia Haze, Karel's Haze, C99 x Haze, Liberty Haze, GTH and Mango Haze etc

Hard to check them out now since the TGA shutdown cannareviews but maybe some reviews are still on reddit?
 

Chi13

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ICMag Donor
I'd stick with the growing as a lot of the MC Sativas are like the wild Thailand -more hybrid types, but they do have a few Haze hybrids like Outlaw Amnesia, Amnesia Haze, Karel's Haze, C99 x Haze, Liberty Haze, GTH and Mango Haze etc

Hard to check them out now since the TGA shutdown cannareviews but maybe some reviews are still on reddit?
The crazy thing about the wild thai was it was grown in Jamaica and imported here! With our climate, wtf?

Yes I have plenty of hazes and other things to fo through. Its just the legitimacy of medical thats really convenient, airports concerts etc.
 

Nexus7

Well-known member
Phytoca’s Amnesia Haze is a 23% THC Sativa dominant medicinal cannabis cultivar created by crossing Skunk Haze and Northern Lights #5. The ‘Phytoca Cut,’ is grown by renowned cannabis geneticist Shantibaba (Scott Blakey) in Switzerland and comes from the same genetics used by top Dutch seed banks. Phytoca’s Amnesia Haze is watered, harvested, hang-dried, slow-cured, trimmed, and bottled by hand. Phytoca’s Amnesia Haze dominated terpenes are Terpinolene, Caryophyllene, Ocimene, Humulene, and Myrcene.
 

Yo Sammy

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Veteran
I have shared more than you know and just in this thread over the last few weeks I have given a clear and descriptive explanation of the differences of The 5HzA and 5HzC along with pictures.

Well, those clones were arranged by Nevil for Sammy to pick up and then send to Nevil, but Sammy was to keep them also. He just forgot the part of the agreement, which was to send them to Nevil :rolleyes:

I asked Nevil about these clones a few months before he passed on, and what few of you know is he had flowers of set clones sent to him after the clones didn't get sent. After trying the flowers, he no longer wanted them.

In his wards they were either not the same clones OR they had lost their spark.

You clearly didn't see MasterFunks post about this, where he posted a screenshot of Nevil and Sammy's Skype conversation and how Sammy just stopped communicating once he collected the clones ?

It's posted in Icmag.

Funny thing is that you’ve also mentioned more than once that Nevil supposedly had sampled some flowers of his old cuts but found them inferior to use for his grail project.

So please enlighten us how Nevil obtained these samples?

The only cutting that Bonk kept hoarded was the very first selected Nevils Haze cut, all the other remaining cuttings got secured when Bonk was severely under siege by leo and this happened between 1999-2008 so prior to the appearance of Nevil online.

The reason why the cuttings weren’t send to Nevil as he requested me to ask Bonk to do, as both men had a history with each other from before my time. Bonk told Nevil he was welcome to come visit him and collect them himself for reasons between them I wasn’t aware of.

During their initial reconnection it became clear that some old beef between them didn’t get resolved and so Bonk shared the Nevils Haze cutting with me reassuring me he would handle the request from Nevil his way.
Bonk was my mentor regarding preservation and cultivation of the Hazes he was by then preserving them for about 10-15 years, depending on the clones age.

The beef between them was created by the disrespectful behaviour of Nevil when he returned to Holland after being detained and later released by Australian customs when he was targeted by the US to extradite him for shipping illegal cannabis seeds State side by operation green merchant.
When he returned to Holland the first thing he did was go visit Bonk who held the majority of Nevils cuttings including haze male C.
The way Nevil utilised this particular male after he got back to Holland we all know.

Bonk never got so much as a thank you for his efforts so when Nevil asked him later to send the clones to Oz he replied he rather see Nevil coming to him to collect them personally as that was the code.

Every story has more sides to it as to just 1 interpretation of it.

Why are you so angry and resentful about me or anyone else in our community holding these special precious old heirlooms when we only embraced them for what they are?
From my initial online presence I always said it straight that these plants were bred by someone named Nevil back in the day for that was what Frans, Johan & Bonk told me way before I knew who exactly that man was let alone got the privilege to communicate directly with via the boards and skype.

When Nevil realised Bonk wasn’t gonna send anything back Nevil asked me. I replied that my loyalty lied with the people I was closest to and let them decide how to proceed.
It pissed Nevil of severely which completely altered his tone and with that also the character of our conversations.

During this time his first grail project research seed release span things totally out of control. A certain Rimeo comes to mind.
The fact that I already was connected to other great cannabis enthusiasts residing in Oz such as Wal, BucketBong, Bushweed, Elmer and some other great people down under such as Kangativa who was involved in Nevils grail project by sharing his best plants with Nevil and doing all the hard labour, who sadly got busted and was sentenced 6 years prison just after Nevil ditched him as partner for kind of the same issue that Bonk held with Nevil: disrespecting other people hard work because Nevil considered himself as being the King of cannabis.
Fame can apparently do different things to different people.
In the end I did send his favourite clone to Ozz, not to Nevil but to another Australian cannabis passionate.
When I asked him if he would maybe share it eventually with Nevil he responded he rather died than do so.

I’m sure Nevil and you were good friends and his version will be much more compelling to you and that’s okay with me.

Doesn’t mean his version is complete as we all have our flaws.

Another thing is that you stated that you hold pictures of Shanti’s 5HzA.
Please share these with us.

Regarding that big Haze plant that filled up an entire wall of the castle. Couldn’t it be Haze B? This female was supposedly a giant beast of a plant that kept growing to unseen proportions.
I remember him stating that he regretted culling her early due to being too impractical to use further but her high was incredible potent. By this time he also already lost Haze male A. He later contemplated on that being the ideal Haze cross, Haze B x Haze A

And last but not least.
Haze C male is one of the most renounced plants in our community when it comes to Haze lineages.
We all agree on its importance.
If a plant that holds so much value isn’t being depicted anymore in any way or form for over such a long time it just keeps it from being credible that it’s in fact still alive.
I don’t see it in its modern offspring as it undoubtedly was in yesteryear.
Lots of people have noted this to and requested some clarification about this but never got any response to their request.
If it is still alive it would not be to much to ask to share evidence it being alive.
It just doesn’t make any sense.
Always a pleasure to catch up here :tiphat:
 
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@hempy

The Haze Whisperer
Funny thing is that you’ve also mentioned more than once that Nevil supposedly had sampled some flowers of his old cuts but found them inferior to use for his grail project.

So please enlighten us how Nevil obtained these samples?

The only cutting that Bonk kept hoarded was the very first selected Nevils Haze cut, all the other remaining cuttings got secured when Bonk was severely under siege by leo and this happened between 1999-2008 so prior to the appearance of Nevil online.

The reason why the cuttings weren’t send to Nevil as he requested me to ask Bonk to do, as both men had a history with each other from before my time. Bonk told Nevil he was welcome to come visit him and collect them himself for reasons between them I wasn’t aware of.

During their initial reconnection it became clear that some old beef between them didn’t get resolved and so Bonk shared the Nevils Haze cutting with me reassuring me he would handle the request from Nevil his way.
Bonk was my mentor regarding preservation and cultivation of the Hazes he was by then preserving them for about 10-15 years, depending on the clones age.

The beef between them was created by the disrespectful behaviour of Nevil when he returned to Holland after being detained and later released by Australian customs when he was targeted by the US to extradite him for shipping illegal cannabis seeds State side by operation green merchant.
When he returned to Holland the first thing he did was go visit Bonk who held the majority of Nevils cuttings including haze male C.
The way Nevil utilised this particular male after he got back to Holland we all know.

Bonk never got so much as a thank you for his efforts so when Nevil asked him later to send the clones to Oz he replied he rather see Nevil coming to him to collect them personally as that was the code.

Every story has more sides to it as to just 1 interpretation of it.

Why are you so angry and resentful about me or anyone else in our community holding these special precious old heirlooms when we only embraced them for what they are?
From my initial online presence I always said it straight that these plants were bred by someone named Nevil back in the day for that was what Frans, Johan & Bonk told me way before I knew who exactly that man was let alone got the privilege to communicate directly with via the boards and skype.

When Nevil realised Bonk wasn’t gonna send anything back Nevil asked me. I replied that my loyalty lied with the people I was closest to and let them decide how to proceed.
It pissed Nevil of severely which completely altered his tone and with that also the character of our conversations.

During this time his first grail project research seed release span things totally out of control. A certain Rimeo comes to mind.
The fact that I already was connected to other great cannabis enthusiasts residing in Oz such as Wal, BucketBong, Bushweed, Elmer and some other great people down under such as Kangativa who was involved in Nevils grail project by sharing his best plants with Nevil and doing all the hard labour, who sadly got busted and was sentenced 6 years prison just after Nevil ditched him as partner for kind of the same issue that Bonk held with Nevil: disrespecting other people hard work because Nevil considered himself as being the King of cannabis.
Fame can apparently do different things to different people.
In the end I did send his favourite clone to Ozz, not to Nevil but to another Australian cannabis passionate.
When I asked him if he would maybe share it eventually with Nevil he responded he rather died than do so.

I’m sure Nevil and you were good friends and his version will be much more compelling to you and that’s okay with me.

Doesn’t mean his version is complete as we all have our flaws.

Another thing is that you stated that you hold pictures of Shanti’s 5HzA.
Please share these with us.

Regarding that big Haze plant that filled up an entire wall of the castle. Couldn’t it be Haze B? This female was supposedly a giant beast of a plant that kept growing to unseen proportions.
I remember him stating that he regretted culling her early due to being too impractical to use further but her high was incredible potent. By this time he also already lost Haze male A. He later contemplated on that being the ideal Haze cross, Haze B x Haze A

And last but not least.
Haze C male is one of the most renounced plants in our community when it comes to Haze lineages.
We all agree on its importance.
If a plant that holds so much value isn’t being depicted anymore in any way or form for over such a long time it just keeps it from being credible that it’s in fact still alive.
I don’t see it in its modern offspring as it undoubtedly was in yesteryear.
Lots of people have noted this to and requested some clarification about this but never got any response to their request.
If it is still alive it would not be to much to ask to share evidence it being alive.
It just doesn’t make any sense.
Always a pleasure to catch up here :tiphat:

Long post, Sammy.

I have nothing to gain in any of this Sammy, but I am not the guy that made an arrangement with Nevil and as soon as you collected the clones that Nevil arranged for you to collect and keep and send to Nevil you stopped communicating with Nevil Why was that ?

If you knew BonK or who ever Nevil arranged the clones from, then why did you need Nevil to arranged the clones to be collected in the first place, that makes no sense.

That Skype conversation was posted up in this forum, remember you just stopped communicating with him.

I ask Nevil about these clones around 2 months before he passed on and what he told me was he had flowers of set clones sent to him and after trying them he no longer wanted them as they were either not the same clones, or they had lost all their spark, Nevils exact wards.

Nevil didn't mention you or did I go into why you didn't send as planned, I just wanted to know if they were the real deal

I really had no interest in knowing who sent them or when.

After that, all he wanted back from Holland was his HzC male.

Why is a 5HzC plant being passed around and being called a 5HzA(2) when it looks nothing like it Sammy your conversation with Kama clearly says Bonk new it was not 5HzA a little confusing.
 

@hempy

The Haze Whisperer
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I have photos of it, I know exactly what the 5HzA(2) looks like, and no I won't be posting any up.

Like I said, it makes no sense to me why you needed Nevil to arrange these clones if you already knew these guys, as you would have had these clones or access to them, and you would not of needed Nevil to arrange you to collect them.
 

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