question for sam the skunkman on the original haze

[nelumbo]

The first qualities of the skunk is : sugar sweet ; up high and big yield with short flowering time...

not extremely potent but so goood !

skunk is an awesome strains so good... and so cheap !

 

[JJ-NYC]

"and even if you did but you just sit on them it's just like you don't have it anyway."

To you yes it is, to me no it is not, I can work with them if I want to, they are frozen and I bet they still sprout, I have a lot of them. I did bring over 250,000 seeds to Holland when I came back in the 80's, a lot were Skunk #1 lines.

When Skunk #1 was released in 1976 it was all RKS, skunky as hell. But as I worked it for a decade before taking it to Holland it was pretty different by then, even though it looked much the same. The changes were in the smells, taste, and effects as well as potency. The old RKS was much more of a knockdown, couchlock, loaded kind of high. Through selection I sweetened it up and made the high more of an up high rather then a knock down. I will admit that some of the original RKS Skunk#1 were a bit more potent, but I did not like the taste or high.
I am real sorry you and maybe others do not like my sweeter Skunk #1, but I can tell you that most people did prefer the sweet version when I offered both in the late 70's early 80's. But regardless seeds were not made from clones back in the 70's, the varieties changed no matter how careful the breeder was. New females and new males were used each year to make the seeds for Skunk #1, and while Skunk #1 was pretty Homogenous it would change dependent on the selection used to make the next generation of seeds. I had hundreds of female parents as well as dozens of male parents each year trying to hold on to most of the Skunk #1 genes so that it did not change much. Other people started making Skunk seeds and I doubt they had so many females or males to select from, so the changes happened much faster.
I am glad I am wrong about you only caring about yield, speed of maturation, and potency. While important, Cannabis has a lot to offer that is not about yield & maturation.

-SamS

In my opinion this type of practice has led to the deterreration of many top notch strains that are in Amsterdam today. The gene pool has drifted from what they were originally and have become watered down and less popular products. Within the past decade US breeders have been leading the way breeding to elite clone strains, trying to preserve what good genes we have left, to what they are originally. Because you certainly can't go to Amsterdam and get top notch genes(they are breeding with US clones strains now). Maybe like 20 years ago you could, because most of the strains were not heavily worked yet. I don't mean any disrespect, but you have to admit these are the facts. Otherwise if it was like it was 20 years ago today, I don't think they would be able to supply the demand. I believe many of todays elite clones are left overs or were bred down from this period.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

What type of practice are you referring to? Remember I made the original Skunk #1. Gene pools do not drift, they change from the hand of man through selection, good or bad.
Anyway, what you say does not refer to me as I don't sell seeds for almost 20 years now. If you are buying my work, it is being knocked off by others. I can not say if it is good or bad quality without me growing it. But I bet I did not make it if you bought it.
Which US breeders? BTW, I am one also.
FYI, there are good breeders everywhere, bad ones also.
Also most if not all seed strains made today are made with clones that will make the same batch of seeds every time, they do not change. So if you like them they are easy to get again. This is the case with virtually all the big seed companies worldwide. In the mid-70's people did not keep clones, so they were not used.
If you can't find good seeds in Amsterdam, you have not looked very hard.

-SamS

 

[Spangli]

Today's practice : sell as many seeds as you can to those who do not care with the quality of the genes, feminise everything.
Many people fail to respect the herb nowadays. they just see growing bucks from the ground.
That sucks

Some colombian gold line ( pure)

 

[Guest423]

ok i lied...i'm back lol

i agree with both of you, JJ and sam.

i think the reason the genetics over there available commercially have gone down is alot of them focus on yield and early maturation...in the process of that selection they left out the other traits in the meantime like taste, smell, resins, and effect.

if you take the original clone or original seed line that alot of them strains come from and try to compare them with what is being sold as the same name today it's a joke to be honest...you can easily see yield and maturation time was the main goal...there's a time and place for people that need big yielding fast strains but to lose so much quality in the meantime really hurts.

unwanted or unknown pollination could be the cause also to some watered down genetics...we've all heard the stories how the original cuts were lost by breeders but don't worry cause they still have seeds...how original were the seeds though....with so much pollen flyin around of so many different strains from different projects who's to say what pollinated what unknowingly.

but strains aren't lost as long as people are still out there with the original clones or original seedline....it's just a matter of who, what, where, why, when, and how lol.

but like sam was saying there are good and bad breeders everywhere....and there's people that remain underground that do there things so the killer genetics can still be found worldwide i'm sure.

not trying to bring up RKS but what happened to it around here is the guys that held the clones got busted....and all the old cats that don't keep cuts but just depend on seed from year to year kept getting unwanted pollination growing outdoors in my area from the wild hemp/ditchweed patches, and their other strains....after so many generations of being bred back to the ditchweed and the other things it lost everything....it lost the RKS odor, the taste, the potency, and the looks....in the end the cut was gone and there was no original seeds left.

sam...was the afghan or columbian you used really skunky as hell to begin with?

peace

T2U

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

The Afghan was.
-SamS

 

[Johnny Rotten]

Sam, do you think the RKS was a Colombian/Afghan pheno or was it a mexican/afghan pheno? Or was it somewhere in the middle? It seems that a simple Afghan/Colombian cross could bring about some skunky individuals in my opinion.

 

[Sam_Skunkman]

It was an Afghan/Columbian Gold X Acapulco Gold. This is well known.

-SamS

 

[Squiggles]

kudos sam on the oh x sk1

its a beautiful plant and grows so well here in Aus
im just glad ive got a chance to grow them
looking forward to any realeases you have in the future

thankyou once agian mate

 

[Johnny Rotten]

I understand the makeup but was RKS homogeneous in the skunk 1 line or were there differing phenotypes in the line and you bred toward the sweet or did you completely rework it? I don't get how a line can change so much if there in no variation to select towards...

To clarify my last post, where do you see the RKS attributing its smelly traits from? A touch from each? more so from the afghan/colombian? my speculation is it would be more prudent to work with a Colombian Afghan cross than wait for you to put anything out. It is obvious you're not interested and have bigger things on your plate.

 

[ElectroSticky]

my speculation is it would be more prudent to work with a Colombian Afghan cross ..........

like, Moños rojos X DC ...........

 

[JJ-NYC]

What type of practice are you referring to? Remember I made the original Skunk #1. Gene pools do not drift, they change from the hand of man through selection, good or bad.
Anyway, what you say does not refer to me as I don't sell seeds for almost 20 years now. If you are buying my work, it is being knocked off by others. I can not say if it is good or bad quality without me growing it. But I bet I did not make it if you bought it.
Which US breeders? BTW, I am one also.
FYI, there are good breeders everywhere, bad ones also.
Also most if not all seed strains made today are made with clones that will make the same batch of seeds every time, they do not change. So if you like them they are easy to get again. This is the case with virtually all the big seed companies worldwide. In the mid-70's people did not keep clones, so they were not used.
If you can't find good seeds in Amsterdam, you have not looked very hard.

-SamS

I'm talking about overworking something to the point of it's nothing like the the original cross. I wasn't talking about you, just the whole Amsterdam seed scene in itself of where it was 20 -25 years ago and where it is now. I'm just kinda pissed because there was so many good land race varities and crosses back then that are just not available now. Or will they ever be again because they just don't exist anymore or they have been overworked to the point of it's nothing like the original. We let most of them just slip through our hands.

 

[shantibaba]

Hi All

reading through this thread at times made me feel ego has made freedom fighters into self -important, self appointed kings. They say that the empty barrel makes the loudest sound and at times I think this is on the mark.

You can fight, make bigger stories or choose to believe a myth, the fact that after you buy or get given a seed and do 5 or more generations of breeding you make the line unique, unrecognizable to its previous self if you select for certain genes while others search for other genes...and so all the discussion and bashing and name calling etc...is plain stupid. Did you know that all breeds of dog are 99.9% wolf genetically, but look at the 400 different breeds man has manipulate over time...

I know Sam, Neville, Rob Clarke, Ben, Eddie etc...even began the GHSco which has tried to wipe history clean and claim the most ridiculous facts as truths...I have seen most all things and heard the same. I do not have any problems with people who tell what they know to be true. I do not agree with Sam on all points but he has helped just like alot of the Dutch businessmen have ...all have their own version and believe it. The Cannabis scene is fickle, never use to be, but commercialism swept alot of the freedom fighters of the Cannabis industry into becoming the sacrificial Goose that try to lay the golden egg. Who is right or who tells things to cover up their lack of knowledge is a fact that most people will have to decide after doing alot of reading.

The most important thing is Sam is still here, so am I, that should be enough to illustrate things. We have run big professional setups, talked with politicians and businessmen, and basically gone through the mill, to come out and still care about what growers use and try to use. Sometimes you all forget we are meant to be on the same team. That is why I stay detached and aloof ...I give a respectful distance to all the myths but would really prefer to see good bud grown and breed worldwide by worthy team players. Do your research, ask questions, make up your own minds but respect the hand that the baton is passed down from, and we will all be one team again.

Mother nature and the wonderful world of genetics is the truth here ,all the rest were merely hands that helped ...so keep it real and get on with it!

Stay safe and all the best in what you all do...Shantibaba

 

[monkey5]

Sam...

Sam...

Sam, hey, your ...durban posion X skunk#1 is looking very Nice !!!! right now , today !!!! outside !!! KILLER !!! sweet smell, kinda like spices/dank funk smell !!! mummmmm !!! candy !!! just got back from visiting her !!! THANK YOU so much Sam for that freebie !!! and making them for us !!! monkey5

 

[Spangli]

Hi All

reading through this thread at times made me feel ego has made freedom fighters into self -important, self appointed kings. They say that the empty barrel makes the loudest sound and at times I think this is on the mark.

You can fight, make bigger stories or choose to believe a myth, the fact that after you buy or get given a seed and do 5 or more generations of breeding you make the line unique, unrecognizable to its previous self if you select for certain genes while others search for other genes...and so all the discussion and bashing and name calling etc...is plain stupid. Did you know that all breeds of dog are 99.9% wolf genetically, but look at the 400 different breeds man has manipulate over time...

I know Sam, Neville, Rob Clarke, Ben, Eddie etc...even began the GHSco which has tried to wipe history clean and claim the most ridiculous facts as truths...I have seen most all things and heard the same. I do not have any problems with people who tell what they know to be true. I do not agree with Sam on all points but he has helped just like alot of the Dutch businessmen have ...all have their own version and believe it. The Cannabis scene is fickle, never use to be, but commercialism swept alot of the freedom fighters of the Cannabis industry into becoming the sacrificial Goose that try to lay the golden egg. Who is right or who tells things to cover up their lack of knowledge is a fact that most people will have to decide after doing alot of reading.

The most important thing is Sam is still here, so am I, that should be enough to illustrate things. We have run big professional setups, talked with politicians and businessmen, and basically gone through the mill, to come out and still care about what growers use and try to use. Sometimes you all forget we are meant to be on the same team. That is why I stay detached and aloof ...I give a respectful distance to all the myths but would really prefer to see good bud grown and breed worldwide by worthy team players. Do your research, ask questions, make up your own minds but respect the hand that the baton is passed down from, and we will all be one team again.

Mother nature and the wonderful world of genetics is the truth here ,all the rest were merely hands that helped ...so keep it real and get on with it!

Stay safe and all the best in what you all do...Shantibaba

Well said Shanti
That is what it should be.

Keep smilin

 

[mostwanted]

shantibaba that was the best post i ever read ever

 

[toodles]

Well said Shanti!

Toodles
SativaFan

 

[Dalaihempy]

The most important thing is Sam is still here, so am I, that should be enough to illustrate things. We have run big professional setups, talked with politicians and businessmen, and basically gone through the mill, to come out and still care about what growers use and try to use. Sometimes you all forget we are meant to be on the same team. That is why I stay detached and aloof ...I give a respectful distance to all the myths but would really prefer to see good bud grown and breed worldwide by worthy team players. Do your research, ask questions, make up your own minds but respect the hand that the baton is passed down from, and we will all be one team again.

Mother nature and the wonderful world of genetics is the truth here ,all the rest were merely hands that helped ...so keep it real and get on with it!

Stay safe and all the best in what you all do...Shantibaba

I was going to post say something but i think shanti sed it and sed it well great post.

 

[scaramanga]

Sam, thanks for shedding some light on what can often be a very murky subject. There are many of us out here who truly appreciate your knowledge and the fact that you're willing to share it.

I was gifted some of your thai/hazexskunk and plan on giving it to my buddy who has a place near the 9th parallel. After seeing some of the indoor grow logs concerning this variety I can only imagine what it will be like outdoors in the full tropical sun.

Haze and Skunk #1 lover for sure!!!!!
Scaramanga

 

[marijuanamat]

Your buddy is 1 lucky guy living in the tropics,i'm sure they'll turn out to be some real potent buddage .I need to move.