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question for sam the skunkman on the original haze
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,My own experience with haze seed is, seedsman medium to small, tom hills medium,TFD tiny.
Holy cow I see that you’re ready to run those tens of thousands of plants in order to find that special one
,My own experience with haze seed is, seedsman medium to small, tom hills medium,TFD tiny.
I’m thinking I have to be exceedingly lucky to find a frosty keeper
funkyhorse
Well-known member
I am curious ...when you guys say crack the shells ... possibly with your teeth ... what exactly are you talking ?
I cannot be more literal than this. I live in a natural place with a lot of biodiversity, not exactly a lab, so I dont have access to tools you people might have on the civilized free trade first world
I dont have any better tool than my own teeth in order to help the seed. Very carefully bite it until you hear or feel a little crack and place the seed back on paper towel
To my surprise both Seedsman Original Haze seeds showed roots after 3-4 days of biting the seed same style like if it would be sunflower seed. But dont open the shell, just a tiny and careful little crack is enough
For viable old seed that has difficulty sprouting, I use the Neanderthal tooth method and it works on a 33-50% of cases. I do it after day 5 on paper towel if it is not showing signs of life
I hope it helps
JohnnyChicago
Well-known member
Better scarifying seeds slightly with sand paper. Also I wouldn't keep them on paper towel longer than 2 or 3 days. And wait at least 30 days after they have been put into the soil
There is a member here, Solarlogos, who had old Khmer Gold seeds sprouting after 30 days.
After I saw that, I did decide to let my 30years old seeds in the soil and continue moisturizing.... Had one sprouting after few weeks, and a last one after more than 30 days.
Cannot be a coincidence.
Thanks @ Solarlogos for finding this out!
Original Seedsman OHaze seeds were very very tiny. Easily the strain with the tiniest seeds I ever had.
Concerning the inbred Seedsman OH, most, but not all the people, have had good germ rates. I did test few last year and was lucky had 10/10. But not he same seed batch of Star Crash. Wondering about MM fresh seeds needing longer than usual to sprout. There shouln't be diffrences between OH and other seeds.
OH ibl seeds
There is a member here, Solarlogos, who had old Khmer Gold seeds sprouting after 30 days.
After I saw that, I did decide to let my 30years old seeds in the soil and continue moisturizing.... Had one sprouting after few weeks, and a last one after more than 30 days.
Cannot be a coincidence.
Thanks @ Solarlogos for finding this out!
Original Seedsman OHaze seeds were very very tiny. Easily the strain with the tiniest seeds I ever had.
Concerning the inbred Seedsman OH, most, but not all the people, have had good germ rates. I did test few last year and was lucky had 10/10. But not he same seed batch of Star Crash. Wondering about MM fresh seeds needing longer than usual to sprout. There shouln't be diffrences between OH and other seeds.
OH ibl seeds
Better scarifying seeds slightly with sand paper. Also I wouldn't keep them on paper towel longer than 2 or 3 days. And wait at least 30 days after they have been put into the soil
There is a member here, Solarlogos, who had old Khmer Gold seeds sprouting after 30 days.
After I saw that, I did decide to let my 30years old seeds in the soil and continue moisturizing.... Had one sprouting after few weeks, and a last one after more than 30 days.
Cannot be a coincidence.
Thanks @ Solarlogos for finding this out!
Original Seedsman OHaze seeds were very very tiny. Easily the strain with the tiniest seeds I ever had.
Concerning the inbred Seedsman OH, most, but not all the people, have had good germ rates. I did test few last year and was lucky had 10/10. But not he same seed batch of Star Crash. Wondering about MM fresh seeds needing longer than usual to sprout. There shouln't be diffrences between OH and other seeds.
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OH ibl seeds
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I noticed the same thing with ot1haze, many seeds take several days to germinate...
Better scarifying seeds slightly with sand paper. Also I wouldn't keep them on paper towel longer than 2 or 3 days. And wait at least 30 days after they have been put into the soil
There is a member here, Solarlogos, who had old Khmer Gold seeds sprouting after 30 days.
After I saw that, I did decide to let my 30years old seeds in the soil and continue moisturizing.... Had one sprouting after few weeks, and a last one after more than 30 days.
Cannot be a coincidence.
Thanks @ Solarlogos for finding this out!
Original Seedsman OHaze seeds were very very tiny. Easily the strain with the tiniest seeds I ever had.
Concerning the inbred Seedsman OH, most, but not all the people, have had good germ rates. I did test few last year and was lucky had 10/10. But not he same seed batch of Star Crash. Wondering about MM fresh seeds needing longer than usual to sprout. There shouln't be diffrences between OH and other seeds.
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OH ibl seeds
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Dibs on the bag on the bottom!
Scarifying seeds I never do, I tried it and saw little advantage. I do soak in warm water for a few days until they start sprouting then I put the rest in paper towels and plant as they sprout.
I do change the water in the glass, and rinse the seeds in the paper towels every 24 hours, but I can't be scarifying seeds when I am planting thousands, I have found it is just not needed.
Have used a 3% hydrogen peroxide solution with very old imported seeds just to be sure they were clean without pathogens on the outside of the seeds.
I am of the mind that most seed I grow is made by me and they will sprout for decades if kept dry and just below 5C.
Understand peoples concerns as I have had rare old seeds but I just tried my best and normally I do get most of them to sprout with little problems.
-SamS
I do change the water in the glass, and rinse the seeds in the paper towels every 24 hours, but I can't be scarifying seeds when I am planting thousands, I have found it is just not needed.
Have used a 3% hydrogen peroxide solution with very old imported seeds just to be sure they were clean without pathogens on the outside of the seeds.
I am of the mind that most seed I grow is made by me and they will sprout for decades if kept dry and just below 5C.
Understand peoples concerns as I have had rare old seeds but I just tried my best and normally I do get most of them to sprout with little problems.
-SamS
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the two fastest phenos from todds stuff 11 and a half weeks on 11/13 ,,a weaker less patient man might of tried them already and he did and he thought that it was good
JohnnyChicago
Well-known member
The 30 years old seeds I was speaking of got gifted to me by a friend who used hydrogen peroxide or coconut water and had only 5% germ rate.
I thought if the pro had only 5% I will have near to 0%.
Tried scarifying. Result,out of 12 seeds, 2 did germ after few days, one after few weeks and did die on mold as I was not expecting it. Saw Solarlogos sucess with germing his Khmer Gold. I waited longer. Then a last one that did sprout after 1 month.
I thought if the pro had only 5% I will have near to 0%.
Tried scarifying. Result,out of 12 seeds, 2 did germ after few days, one after few weeks and did die on mold as I was not expecting it. Saw Solarlogos sucess with germing his Khmer Gold. I waited longer. Then a last one that did sprout after 1 month.
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I’m getting some good action now ... baby OHaze
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I’m getting some good action now ... baby OHaze
Last year from pack of tfd oh ,two germinated,same day,in living soil,outdoor,after two weeks in paper towell,and month in soil.
I outcrossed line with two nld,spice dominant and fruity dominant,and repro oh.
Pine was in male,now in progeny.
This year glue is much stronger then tfd female last year
I outcrossed line with two nld,spice dominant and fruity dominant,and repro oh.
Pine was in male,now in progeny.
This year glue is much stronger then tfd female last year
funkyhorse
Well-known member
Master SamS
I have answers and questions for you if you dont mind
About Xinjiang weed, Kashgar area, I think we both are right
You probably know that very few people in the world are on your knowledge level, and certainly I believe a landrace plant grown by yourself should be much better quality than the same plant grown by the local landrace grower
I sourced this stuff during 15 years until 2017. A family member of the people sitting at the chinese eastern coast was receiving a call, and he would chop the most advanced plant he would find, and bring the whole plant with main stems, leaves and seeded buds in a suitcase and bring it to the East on a very long trip of more than 5000kms by bus.
When the suitcase arrived, at the eastern coast the plant was manicured, the manicured buds put in zipper bags by weight and sold to the occassional tourist. I have seen this by myself more than once.
So today I understand that what I smoked from Xinjiang was cut it unripe, dry it and smoke it. It had a high similar to Dali weed meaning we were smoking rope, but some batches were slightly better with some little psychoactivity. The hybridized buds that they started to have from 2011 forwards were better quality
I believe this same strain grown by yourself would have psychoactivity and be much better quality than what was offered to tourists back then
About germinating old seed
Chinese say that from every crisis opportunity arises and for me this coronavirus crisis is an amazing opportunity to grow some stuff. I succeded to source some old seed and tried different methods and have different results
SamS, I have just sprouted 2 strains which I believe are done by yourself from Seedsman Skunkman Range: The Resinator and Wonder Woman which is the only hybrid containing original haze I could source so far. The pedigree of WW is not very clear and I dont find any info for this strain except what seed finder says here:
Seedsman Skunkman Range, come exclusively from Sam the Skunkman the legendary breeder behind Cultivator’s Choice and Sacred Seeds.
Genetics: White Widow x Thai-Haze/Skunk #1 x Skunk #1
Is this Wonder Woman strain made of White Widow x (Thai-Haze/Skunk #1 x Skunk #1) or (White Widow x Thai-Haze/Skunk #1) x Skunk #1 ?
The germination of this stuff is absolutely impressive. I obtained from both strains a 5 out of 5 in 24 hours with beautiful long straight roots like if I would have done the Paper towel on inclined CD method, thing I didnt do.
From the old seed the only one so far matching this germination quality is Fighting Buddha from Chimera with 7 out of 10 in 24 hours very similar to what I think is your seed from Skunkman Range
Solar Logos method works very good with more difficult seed than yours and probably in a controlled environmental lab and made by someone with some botanical knowledge and not an amateur newbie
For instance with Afropips Senegal Haze in paper towel I had just 1 seed show root and it got stuck on the cotyledon never showing first leaves
But following the fresh EWC method suggested by Solar Logos and with his generous uninterested help I had 4 seed out of 5 show roots but only one succeded to make it and develop the first leaves. The rest didnt pass the cotyledon stage
I am finding with some strains that they show roots after 48-96 hours but then the plant dont go past the cotyledon stage. They never show first leaves or if they do, they are so tiny they lack vigour to go through. Senegal from TSCo is done in about 2014=2015. 5 seed out of 5 showed healthy roots but only one developed first leaves, another one is struggling and the rest stuck on the cotyledons without advancing.
Is there any trick to help the seed develop first leaves when they get stuck on cotyledon stage??
About Seedsman OHaze original pack and MadMac repro:
MadMac repro takes half the time to come up than the original one. First ones from MM start after 48 hours and the original pack started showing roots after 96 hours.
I did a repro of NL5xH 91 and I spruted it side by side with the originals from the bank. The ones from the bank show super healthy roots after 24 hours but from my own repro roots show after 48-96 hours. I believe a treatment is done in order for this to happen. Most stuff from modern seedbanks sprout in 24 hours.
Is anyone willing to reveal the trick how this is done or is this a professional secret?
In veg Seedsman Original Haze original pack on the left and MadMac repro on the right. To my untrained eye they look the same or very similar:
Sorry for long post, I find this subject superinteresting. Germinating old seed out of catalogue is like getting a glance at a moment of space and time that is gone and is a beautiful alchemy of catching the vibes of that time locked in the seed
Thank you very much everybody for the knowledge shared
I have answers and questions for you if you dont mind
About Xinjiang weed, Kashgar area, I think we both are right
You probably know that very few people in the world are on your knowledge level, and certainly I believe a landrace plant grown by yourself should be much better quality than the same plant grown by the local landrace grower
I sourced this stuff during 15 years until 2017. A family member of the people sitting at the chinese eastern coast was receiving a call, and he would chop the most advanced plant he would find, and bring the whole plant with main stems, leaves and seeded buds in a suitcase and bring it to the East on a very long trip of more than 5000kms by bus.
When the suitcase arrived, at the eastern coast the plant was manicured, the manicured buds put in zipper bags by weight and sold to the occassional tourist. I have seen this by myself more than once.
So today I understand that what I smoked from Xinjiang was cut it unripe, dry it and smoke it. It had a high similar to Dali weed meaning we were smoking rope, but some batches were slightly better with some little psychoactivity. The hybridized buds that they started to have from 2011 forwards were better quality
I believe this same strain grown by yourself would have psychoactivity and be much better quality than what was offered to tourists back then
About germinating old seed
Chinese say that from every crisis opportunity arises and for me this coronavirus crisis is an amazing opportunity to grow some stuff. I succeded to source some old seed and tried different methods and have different results
SamS, I have just sprouted 2 strains which I believe are done by yourself from Seedsman Skunkman Range: The Resinator and Wonder Woman which is the only hybrid containing original haze I could source so far. The pedigree of WW is not very clear and I dont find any info for this strain except what seed finder says here:
Seedsman Skunkman Range, come exclusively from Sam the Skunkman the legendary breeder behind Cultivator’s Choice and Sacred Seeds.
Genetics: White Widow x Thai-Haze/Skunk #1 x Skunk #1
Is this Wonder Woman strain made of White Widow x (Thai-Haze/Skunk #1 x Skunk #1) or (White Widow x Thai-Haze/Skunk #1) x Skunk #1 ?
The germination of this stuff is absolutely impressive. I obtained from both strains a 5 out of 5 in 24 hours with beautiful long straight roots like if I would have done the Paper towel on inclined CD method, thing I didnt do.
From the old seed the only one so far matching this germination quality is Fighting Buddha from Chimera with 7 out of 10 in 24 hours very similar to what I think is your seed from Skunkman Range
Solar Logos method works very good with more difficult seed than yours and probably in a controlled environmental lab and made by someone with some botanical knowledge and not an amateur newbie
For instance with Afropips Senegal Haze in paper towel I had just 1 seed show root and it got stuck on the cotyledon never showing first leaves
But following the fresh EWC method suggested by Solar Logos and with his generous uninterested help I had 4 seed out of 5 show roots but only one succeded to make it and develop the first leaves. The rest didnt pass the cotyledon stage
I am finding with some strains that they show roots after 48-96 hours but then the plant dont go past the cotyledon stage. They never show first leaves or if they do, they are so tiny they lack vigour to go through. Senegal from TSCo is done in about 2014=2015. 5 seed out of 5 showed healthy roots but only one developed first leaves, another one is struggling and the rest stuck on the cotyledons without advancing.
Is there any trick to help the seed develop first leaves when they get stuck on cotyledon stage??
About Seedsman OHaze original pack and MadMac repro:
MadMac repro takes half the time to come up than the original one. First ones from MM start after 48 hours and the original pack started showing roots after 96 hours.
I did a repro of NL5xH 91 and I spruted it side by side with the originals from the bank. The ones from the bank show super healthy roots after 24 hours but from my own repro roots show after 48-96 hours. I believe a treatment is done in order for this to happen. Most stuff from modern seedbanks sprout in 24 hours.
Is anyone willing to reveal the trick how this is done or is this a professional secret?
In veg Seedsman Original Haze original pack on the left and MadMac repro on the right. To my untrained eye they look the same or very similar:
Sorry for long post, I find this subject superinteresting. Germinating old seed out of catalogue is like getting a glance at a moment of space and time that is gone and is a beautiful alchemy of catching the vibes of that time locked in the seed
Thank you very much everybody for the knowledge shared
I used coconut water (freeze dried) when I did older tom hill haze, 2 packs without and 2 packs with, I got about 10-15 percent more germination with the coconut water soak for 24 hours. Not pure coconut water though, it's the same as modern methods amount. 1 tsp freeze dried coconut water per gallon of water (us gallon). Just enough to help stimulate germination a touch. That said I had an old seedsman haze pack gifted to me, took up to 4 weeks for all to germinate for me.
JohnnyChicago
Well-known member
I was not comparing what's the best, scarifying seeds or coconut water. I guess both should be made if you aren't working with thousends of seeds
Was only reporting what my friend did, what I did and the results on exactly the same 30+ years old seeds.
100 (or 80) seeds, 5% germ rate.
12 seeds, 20%.
edit: 4/12 is more than 20%
Was only reporting what my friend did, what I did and the results on exactly the same 30+ years old seeds.
100 (or 80) seeds, 5% germ rate.
12 seeds, 20%.
edit: 4/12 is more than 20%
I fed the taller of the 5 OHaze today.
RO
100 ppm CalMag
1 tbs/g Liquid Karma
enough PBP Soil bloom 1-4-5 to bump it to 500
Ph 6.5
I hand watered the rest w RO to make sure I wasn't getting dry spots in the fabric pots w these blumats. So far a few things I don't like about the blumats like the crappy non flexible line and unavailability of fittings/hose locally then there's the fact I dropped one carrot and it shattered. They are working ok but still not perfect by any means.
I will post up some updated pics later this week.
RO
100 ppm CalMag
1 tbs/g Liquid Karma
enough PBP Soil bloom 1-4-5 to bump it to 500
Ph 6.5
I hand watered the rest w RO to make sure I wasn't getting dry spots in the fabric pots w these blumats. So far a few things I don't like about the blumats like the crappy non flexible line and unavailability of fittings/hose locally then there's the fact I dropped one carrot and it shattered. They are working ok but still not perfect by any means.
I will post up some updated pics later this week.
Hammer >> 2 in cups & Four More have been planted In rw cubes & four more have cracked the shells, I had a bit of a fuck up and let the paper towel dry out pretty badly but they continue to crack afterwards when I re moistened,,, So far so good
