question for sam the skunkman on the original haze

[MAHA KALA]

I respect Nevil, not like his "fans" or "friends" who use his name to look better or make their plants look better and the best in the world. so when he said he thought he used "haze1969" for his crosses. I respect it. I have no instrument to find out(and nobody has) if it is the truth or not(as far as his statements about skunkman´s original haze, I can find out easily by growing it...) so! if he used 1969haze, and he said that, it has very little to do with original haze from Skunkman, as we have it today... it went through numerous generations from that time.. nobody, here on the boards, grew it. and Nevil grew only few females of it.. if somebody thinks what is hazeA or hazeC, then he is simply hallucinating or trolling.. abstract from northern lights in fantasy. fantastic abstraction it is, not truth, just fantasy mind operation.. so all this c5 and a5 is totally non relative to this thread. this thread is about original haze from Skunkman. not thread "what I think the haze is or isn't.." here is authority which educates us what is original haze, never heard from this authority about c5 or a5 to be relative to his OH. never. (what I read from him was that neville´s haze doesn't do it for him, and doesn't smoke like his original haze - which agrees with my experience) only from mrnice trolls.. these c5 or a5 belongs to thread question for Nevil about northern lights hybrids. mango haze is hybrid, "haze" hybrid, what haze we dont know. but sure it was not today´s Skunkman´s original haze, or seedman´s or tom hill´s etc.. so this bullshit about 50%haze LOL is total NONSENSE and ruining this thread constantly, because of using some very vague, more fantastic than real - imagine about "haze". when you click on this thread, you want to read about northern lights hybrids? and how northern lights hybrid is not northern lights hybrid, but it is haze. really? still that NONSENSE over and over? cant we kick out this trolls out and read this nonsense posts which are still repeating the same over and over. cant we focus, as reasonable human beings, on original haze we have today and it is phenos. again and again, like retards, talk about some a or c haze, with no provable relation. I want to read about phenos of original haze which I can actually grow. not about some mythologic phenotypes of some old "haze" which I cant grow because it exists only as norhtern lights hybrid, which means it doesn't exist..

 

[MAHA KALA]

That is one way to look at the FACTS but another way is to say that Neville became famous on the coattails of some very great Cannabis, I prefer this. I mean please name the variety of Cannabis that was deveoped by Neville alone

PLEASE STOP POSTING IN THIS THREAD!!!!!

-SamS

I tend to believe Skunkman in this, than some bullshit from ojd or hazeshitous and other trolls are spreading around again and again. as I know Haze was popular before Nevil got his hand on it.. that's why Nevil talked about his hybrids as "haze" - many are confused about it till these days - to sell it, while all he was selling were hybrids of haze, and not a haze

 

[MAHA KALA]

Fruity, Sweet & Sour, Rootbeer, Cola, Chocolate, very /resinous hashy smell and taste.


-SamS

you see piney like northern lights? I dont see it. none of c5 or a5 tastes like this... then it is not haze, period.

 

[MAHA KALA]

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Hi Sam,

Sam, I'm wondering if the modern original haze suffers from the inbred vigor-lack...ie: must be outcrossed to be appreciated. Thanks in advance for your response.

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-SamS

 

[@hempy]

 

[Dr.Young]

What made haze popular was not any of those flavors....

We like incense, pine, sandalwood.

 

[Tom Hill]

The peeking out the window and bathroom mirror made haze popular brother. Camp sandlewood will appropriate these words like a kennel club jack russell.

 

[Dr.Young]

Thank god i already found piff, or id still be losing my mind.... I wanna keep sifting for different versions anyway but....Trying to verbalize this magical smell is so hard hahahaa. Just need to make a big pile of seeds, and help all these poor people that still cant find piff.

 

[elanius]

Those giant heads are important. Leet a while back posted as bout a tight a nug you can grow and still have heads like that. It's important. Just look at it. If you can not walk through fields and say i want to smoke this or that then you are not worth your salt. There is no hold out for hope on lesser specimen - life is far more brutal than that.

Leet also described this pheno of neville haze before as a very strong, anxiety inducing paranoid head high. I tried Neville Haze once and never again touched that bud. If the high have such negative energy that it makes you feel like shit, lost and drowning in your mind, not to mention the comedown...it can look like 24K gold and I wont care about it. If I ended up with this pheno, based on resin selection and then smoke it - that would be real bummer.

But the point is - each to his own! Selection is personal thing, if one is looking for anxiety laden paranoid trip - thats fine. Nobody is justified to come and tell you its shit because I dont like it.

However, I totally agree with you, that with haze, resinous plants in veg are usually best. Growing hundreds of plants, its good start to remove some off types, with no or low resin on stem - for example..
But what if you have just 13 females, would you kill half just based on appearance? The hobby grower and breeder perspective is different.

In my case, all my favorite OHaze plants had great resin coverage on stems during early veg. But two hazes had extreme resin, my fingers were glued after just making clones from them. And I was keeping eye on these, but the verdict is, they are not the best smoke, just very potent. This is only to clarify what I meant by waiting for the smoke as the ultimate test...felt like it might get misunderstood any minute now

 

[willydread]

Was only Punto Rojo used? Which area? (remember kaiki collected pr from different areas of Colombia).
Were other Colombians used? Which? Was the same col.gold used in skunk?

 

[sbeanonnamellow]

I read that Wacky Weed & Santa Marta Gold were some of the Colombians used as well. Much love

 

[RandyCalifornia]

There is no hold out for hope on lesser specimen - life is far more brutal than that.

Hay man, you always get hay if you cut too early. Some plants take a while to express their goodness. Good things come to those who wait.
I've seen how ruthless you are with seedlings haha
I'm going by the Spirit of 76 Haze poster, they let their plants mature, while at the same time I was being somewhat paranoid and cutting early and smoking hay.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

But the point is - each to his own! Selection is personal thing, if one is looking for anxiety laden paranoid trip - thats fine. Nobody is justified to come and tell you its shit because I dont like it.

However, I totally agree with you, that with haze, resinous plants in veg are usually best. Growing hundreds of plants, its good start to remove some off types, with no or low resin on stem - for example..
But what if you have just 13 females, would you kill half just based on appearance? The hobby grower and breeder perspective is different.

In my case, all my favorite OHaze plants had great resin coverage on stems during early veg. But two hazes had extreme resin, my fingers were glued after just making clones from them. And I was keeping eye on these, but the verdict is, they are not the best smoke, just very potent. This is only to clarify what I meant by waiting for the smoke as the ultimate test...felt like it might get misunderstood any minute now

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Thanks for posting the pics Elanius. I'm sure you made seeds and will spread the love for the Haze, like others are doing too

And nice to read you are finding the kind of effects you were looking for. It's like you said - each to his own. Matter of preferences (or mood). Some want to be scared at least a little, while others prefer to enjoy 100% their ride.

I like to make the acid vs shrooms comparasion.

Sometimes it's so great you would like to push the pause button and enjoy the moment forever. I can't get this kind of greatness when peeking out the window

 

[Dr.Young]

Super well said Johnny....super well said.... I wish I could of thought of that analogy all those times I caved in and said i dont mind a little racyness.
In reality the effect im after certainly isn't peepin out a window.
My grail buzz ive had, was a warm medicated level pleasant energy in my body, felt like i was glowing radiating nuclear-like energy but at same time all in head bright visual, more excited/clear/racy in a bright way instead of dark/noia way.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

I call it my sunny day frisbee playing buzz. Eye wide open, everything is visually enhanced. You feel more alive.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

I have found it to some degree in nevils x oaxaca, zamaldelica and burmese haze (karma). The nevils x oaxaca had the kind of buzz I liked. But I felt there were probably way stronger examples based on everything I have read about nevils haze. The zamal had an amazing high, not exactly clear headed but very enjoyable. Remind me of low dose mushrooms or mdma. I will by all means grow more of these in future. And the burmese haze was a bit to easy to hermie for my taste. It actually had the most motivating buzz I have ever experienced. Everytime I smoked one around the house an hour later I would catch myself super high deeply involved in some project or cleaning. Totally jamming to the music and breaking a sweat. I did hit that plant with a headbanger male. Not the best to bring out that high. But it was the male I was using at the time I ran the last one.

I do not always have the time and space to run long flowering plants like I wish I did.

More often than not I achieve that high by getting my ethiopian coffee and sativa dominant hybrid smoke ratios just right.

 

[MadMac]

OHz S1

OHz S1

hello,
here a little update...
i'm very very exited ..
but see yourself...
@SamS
many thx again for the tip's and help...
i'll followed and now see the outcome...

OHz S1

haze love
M.

@elanius
very nice haze you have there!
long time no see and wooop with a big surprise
much respect ... looking good

 

[LostTribe]

I've got a good Haze question. I have experienced nutrient burn more than a few times and not just with Haze but also other pure sativa's. These problems show up as extreme under curling and even some upward curling of the fan leaf tips.

I have read that Haze is particularly sensitive to Nitrogen. Are they just as sensitive to Phosphorous and Potassium? What about micro nutrients and sea weed extracts like Liquid karma and maxi crop?

LT

 

[Donald Mallard]

I use all organic products and i dont see any problems with over ferting etc lt ,
seaweed , fish , kelp, and pelleted manure products as well as straight aged manure are great ,
i think they are just sensitive to chemicals , well im assuming they are higher in n p and k than the typical organic ones ,
sometimes one needs to ease them into the heavy feeding too , even with the organic stuff , but they get used to things quickly and full strength is good after a feed or two ..

 

[Hammerhead]

I've got a good Haze question. I have experienced nutrient burn more than a few times and not just with Haze but also other pure sativa's. These problems show up as extreme under curling and even some upward curling of the fan leaf tips.

I have read that Haze is particularly sensitive to Nitrogen. Are they just as sensitive to Phosphorous and Potassium? What about micro nutrients and sea weed extracts like Liquid karma and maxi crop?

LT

Too much N in most Nutrients for Haze IMO. Leaf clawing is def from N toxicity.. I see it when doing haze/Sat dom phenos. Instead of feeding every time I use RO to balance it out. No more clawing.