question for sam the skunkman on the original haze

[ojd]

It is an improvement of what we have left , and the best Haze's available are like the legendary Sativa's from the past.

Original Haze is very nice but defo no improvement on yesteryears Sativa's , Dutch Haze on the other hand is a indoor version of the magical Sativa's from the past, including taste/High

Original Haze is so inbred that its true breeding and has been since i tried it early 2000's , there are no phenotypes , just better or worse phenos and all very similar.
I belive it has always been like that and the seeds Neville got were extra special and thats why Neville's Genetics are very different to all the other seed co's( many of them) that uses Sams Haze

since large amounts of sativa crops being grown like they were in thailand and when the haze brothers collected their seed ,

the potency of sativa in general has dropped it seems and those uber potent ones are a lot rarer ,
its not they are a level below a hybrid as you suggest,



they were not the same thing at all (apples and oranges situation), and dont kid yourself they were like childs play , they were super potent , mind altering , psychedelic etc ,
there are enough folks still around who sampled them to attest to that,
what we have now is not an improvement by any means at all ...

 

[ojd]

I hope you guys are going to have your best Haze's/Sativa's ready to sample or entered into the icmag cup ?
Talk is cheap

 

[Donald Mallard]

It is an improvement of what we have left , and the best Haze's available are like the legendary Sativa's from the past.

Original Haze is very nice but defo no improvement on yesteryears Sativa's , Dutch Haze on the other hand is a indoor version of the magical Sativa's from the past, including taste/High

Original Haze is so inbred that its true breeding and has been since i tried it early 2000's , there are no phenotypes , just better or worse phenos and all very similar.
I belive it has always been like that and the seeds Neville got were extra special and thats why Neville's Genetics are very different to all the other seed co's( many of them) that uses Sams Haze

earlier in this thread i noted sam asking for samples of nevils haze to desipher whats in there ,
maybe he is not 100% certain the seed he gave nevil was what he initially thought ,
who knows perhaps it was some that had thai in it ,


id be interested on seeing anyhow ,

but not sure any sample was sent ...



so you might be correct about it being different ,
maybe one day we should get it checked ...

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Wow. Tell me what I should smoke and how I should smoke it...because what you say is "the whole point" in smoking weed. Gimme a break. I've been smoking weed since I was 9 years old, DS. I don't need any lessons from you, thanks.

I never understood people who would put tobacco in their joints, but I would never question/criticize your choice...if that's what you're into.

Sheesh...it's like you'd better not express an opinion that varies from the herd or you'll be called out for smoking weed the wrong way, lol.


HB.

my apologies hemphry...that post wasnt directed at you...it was just a general post...I dont tell no one what to smoke or how to smoke it...that would be upto the individual.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

silly program counted 6 when there was only 5 pictures , so i saved a thai bud for you ..
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some laos ..
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oh look some png sativa pot ,,

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and some zamal , a bit more of the same plant grown from cutting .View Image


yea i grow sativa hempy ..

That zamal has come out really well over ther Donald..looks beautiful...nice

 

[TheDarkStorm]

ive heard sam talk of faster phenos witin the pure haze line looking like i got a possible 10 weeker here and maybe a 12 ,,intersted to know the fastest phenos others found from pure haze not hybrids

Is that from clone harvest reaper ?...I have seen some in sams old haze go 12 weeks if conditions are good...its usually a 12-16 weeks line..with some extreame phenos going 18....suppose if conditions arnt ideal you could perhaps go over.

 

[Benny106]

So thh is basically the same flowering times as sams, what is thh hybridised with?

 

[TakenByTheSky]

So thh is basically the same flowering times as sams, what is thh hybridised with?

Thh is positronics haze, positronics got original haze seeds from Sam the skunkman.

Essentially they are the same strain maybe slightly different from the drift of each individuals inbreeding . Having said that I haven't grown either but that's the history on them.

 

[ojd]

Another thing is Nevil Haze is just the most talked about Haze but Neville made many Haze's and more than anyone from 8 week Frankincense SSH phenos to 16 week Nevil Haze phenos and everything in between.
Unless your from Europe or travelled to Amsterdam/Holland every year then you just didnt sample what most of us did and when it comes to Haze Neville had everything you could ever want.

Tom's haze didn't have NL in it. I'm not saying NH isn't good herb or that Nevil doesn't deserve our respect for all the work he did. NH is great herb and I'm sure 99% of smokers are happy that Nevil did what he did.

It's just that, for MYSELF, it's not what I would consider an everyday/all day smoke, hempy. I don't understand why you have to get so twisted over someone having a different experience than you do.

HB.

 

[Hemphrey Bogart]

Another thing is Nevil Haze is just the most talked about Haze but Neville made many Haze's and more than anyone from 8 week Frankincense SSH phenos to 16 week Nevil Haze phenos and everything in between.
Unless your from Europe or travelled to Amsterdam/Holland every year then you just didnt sample what most of us did and when it comes to Haze Neville had everything you could ever want.

I’ve said this before...many times, in fact...but I’ll repeat it again...Mango Haze is an awesome smoke and a breeze to grow. Can’t recommend it enough. I liked it more than the SSH and the NH. I didn’t have to go to the ‘dam to garner that opinion.

I have not, in fact, ever been to the ‘dam...never saw a reason to go...we got plenty of excellent herb right here in California and the surf in Amsterdam is non existent. I rarely go through the trouble of traveling somewhere with no waves.

That said, I have been to Hawaii many times over the years and I’ve sampled plenty of Hawaiian bud. For my tastes, properly grown Hawaiian can take on the Pepsi challenge with any herb anywhere. That volcanic soil and climate is hard to beat.

HB.

 

[Koondense]

I sometimes daydream of having a bag of tropical sativa seeds and growing them on all volcanic islands of the Earth, like Hawaii, the Canaries, Sumatra, Java, Reunion, the Carribbean...
Would be interesting to see original haze seeds also in that bag.



What's best with dreams... they're free.



Cheers

 

[Hemphrey Bogart]

Figure I should put up some plant pics...to lighten the vibe a bit.

This haze from Todd M is almost done...the purple color has to be coming from one of the Colombian parents...

Speaking of Colombian...here's an SMC x A5T #1 cut...the A5 male seems to have sped up the flowering on this one. She should be done end of this month.

This Ohaze is going to take a little longer to finish, but she's looking pretty good...

Here's one more Ohaze from Todd. Should be finished middle of November or maybe a little sooner...

So far, I'll say this for the Ohaze offered by Todd...

The plants are very mold resistant and sexually stable. They are also surprisingly fast for a haze. Most of them should finish by the middle of November, if not sooner...which is awesome. Of course, the proof is in the smoke, so a detailed smoke report will be posted after 6 weeks of curing in the jar.



HB.

 

[yesum]

Real nice plants Hemphry. I will never understand you guys with the curing stuff. I let it dry and then freeze it if I want it to last. All the days curing it is losing terpenes and thc, that is the way I look at it. A month at the most for letting it cure at room temp.

I do let it dry real slow though. Sometimes in the pot it was growing in.

Not sure on volcanic soil and differences in plants mental effects. I guess it could happen? I always assumed the intense sun was most or all of the difference for the equatorial strains coming up to their potential.

 

[Guest]

Figure I should put up some plant pics...to lighten the vibe a bit.

This haze from Todd M is almost done...the purple color has to be coming from one of the Colombian parents...
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Speaking of Colombian...here's an SMC x A5T #1 cut...the A5 male seems to have sped up the flowering on this one. She should be done end of this month.
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This Ohaze is going to take a little longer to finish, but she's looking pretty good...
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Here's one more Ohaze from Todd. Should be finished middle of November or maybe a little sooner...
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So far, I'll say this for the Ohaze offered by Todd...

The plants are very mold resistant and sexually stable. They are also surprisingly fast for a haze. Most of them should finish by the middle of November, if not sooner...which is awesome. Of course, the proof is in the smoke, so a detailed smoke report will be posted after 6 weeks of curing in the jar.



HB.

Nice work mate.

 

[CannaT]

beautiful plants

 

[Hemphrey Bogart]

Real nice plants Hemphry. I will never understand you guys with the curing stuff. I let it dry and then freeze it if I want it to last. All the days curing it is losing terpenes and thc, that is the way I look at it. A month at the most for letting it cure at room temp.

I do let it dry real slow though. Sometimes in the pot it was growing in.

Not sure on volcanic soil and differences in plants mental effects. I guess it could happen? I always assumed the intense sun was most or all of the difference for the equatorial strains coming up to their potential.

I freeze fresh bud, but only if I’m making bubble hash with it.

Here’s something you probably REALLY won’t like or understand, lol...

I wash all my outdoor weed before I hang it.

I dunk the colas into a big ass plastic tote filled with a mixture of 7 gallons of clean water and 1 cup of h2O2, then I dunk the same colas in another tote with 10 gallons of fresh water to rinse then I hang them on fishing line in the drying room.

You won’t believe all the gunk I wash off of the buds. One of these days, I’m going to use white totes to show everyone what comes off your weed when you wash it before drying. It’s gross and I don’t want to smoke that shit.

I live in a high humidity area, so I have my dehuey in the drying room set for 65% for about two days, then I let them ride with a small fan circulating the air but not blowing on the buds. Works for me, but I don’t expect everyone to do it the same way I do or “understand” why I do things this way. It’s just what I do...and the people that are gifted weed from me never seem to complain.

Volcanic soil is some of the best stuff around. The sun is important, but so is the soil.

HB.

 

[CannaRed]

I freeze fresh bud, but only if I’m making bubble hash with it.

Here’s something you probably REALLY won’t like or understand, lol...

I wash all my outdoor weed before I hang it.

I dunk the colas into a big ass plastic tote filled with a mixture of 7 gallons of clean water and 1 cup of h2O2, then I dunk the same colas in another tote with 10 gallons of fresh water to rinse then I hang them on fishing line in the drying room.

You won’t believe all the gunk I wash off of the buds. One of these days, I’m going to use white totes to show everyone what comes off your weed when you wash it before drying. It’s gross and I don’t want to smoke that shit.

I live in a high humidity area, so I have my dehuey in the drying room set for 65% for about two days, then I let them ride with a small fan circulating the air but not blowing on the buds. Works for me, but I don’t expect everyone to do it the same way I do or “understand” why I do things this way. It’s just what I do...and the people that are gifted weed from me never seem to complain.

Volcanic soil is some of the best stuff around. The sun is important, but so is the soil.

HB.

I just did my first ever bud wash. I was checking on one of my denser plants and found a few tiny yellow spore looking dots in-between buds in the main cola.
I took my new favorite foundation of my ipm, Doctor Zymes and followed the directions for a after harvest dip. Then dipped in clean water, then hang dry. Yellow dots are gone, no bud rot, and dust is rinsed off.
If there's that much dust on an indoor plant you don't wanna see what comes off outdoor plants! Dirt, molted bug exoskeletons, dead bugs, bug shit, bird shit, spiders and webs, grass, dried leaves, and whatever else odd thing lands on the plants

 

[TakenByTheSky]

Figure I should put up some plant pics...to lighten the vibe a bit.

This haze from Todd M is almost done...the purple color has to be coming from one of the Colombian parents...
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Speaking of Colombian...here's an SMC x A5T #1 cut...the A5 male seems to have sped up the flowering on this one. She should be done end of this month.
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This Ohaze is going to take a little longer to finish, but she's looking pretty good...
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Here's one more Ohaze from Todd. Should be finished middle of November or maybe a little sooner...
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So far, I'll say this for the Ohaze offered by Todd...

The plants are very mold resistant and sexually stable. They are also surprisingly fast for a haze. Most of them should finish by the middle of November, if not sooner...which is awesome. Of course, the proof is in the smoke, so a detailed smoke report will be posted after 6 weeks of curing in the jar.



HB.

Great job hemphry, I can only imagine how great an outdoor haze like that must smoke.

 

[yesum]

If I grew outside I would wash my buds too. Even indoor I go over the dried buds with a magnifying glass and pick off the hairs, fibers etc. that stick to them.

 

[CannaRed]

My Todd's haze seems to be a longer flowering pheno. I put the just rooted clone into the 12/12 tent on August 10th. That's 9 weeks
To me It still looks like it has alot of time left, but Im new to the sat game.
Smells like all the Bangi Haze from Ace that I grew. It's not related, but I guess they named after the aroma.

The sister to this plant that I had outside to give to a friend, ended up getting hacked back and brought inside and under 400hps.

While it was outside, I was doing a small experiment with pollen. I placed a male from my PurpAl line on one side of my yard and a few females scattered around the area. Some off my property. All within a 100 yards of the male, but some buildings or bushes or stuff in the way. None of the off property plants were pollinated, before the male died. But the main point of this story was when I was hacking back the haze I found that some of the preflowers had been pollinated, and they were way more mature than I thought they would be.

Then once I got her set up in the corner and sides of the tent I found more.