question for sam the skunkman on the original haze

[TheDarkStorm]

so what is the reason, you cant show us your magnificent ohz plants? so we can see if you grew it properly or not.

I wont reply to you again maha becase having a normal discussion with you seems to be difficult....evry few posts of yours seem to bring up someone whos passed away in a negative way almost like you have a obsession even tho atleast 50% if not more of the stuff you grow are from the mans work.....im only interested in finding the stuff I like....an I have said this before, I grew for many many years only a few years back got busted an had to serve 4 years....so think your self lucky as you can grow...I have to now rely on the kindness of others to stick in a few bits I might find intresting on the side of ther grows......

 

[MAHA KALA]

so no ohz plants, pity. I awaited it. I have no problem with Nevil. and you dont see me say a word about him as person, before Nevil´s boy invasion after his death. again rest in peace. but again you just have to mention him in every post, in every post. so who got obsession? I just react on you fan boys, as your bullshit collides with my haze experience, you say he told you okay. I dont care who said that original haze is crap. I found, through growing it is not true. and I will state it is not true. I can admit you know what you are talking, when you are talking about ohz, if I will see you are growing it. and I can also apologize when I made mistake, I associated you with Hempy. if it was the case. I am sorry you got busted, but you think me not?

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Mah I was growing along time...most of these camera phones have only come about in the last 15-20 years...im not in a friendly place...an the last thing someone would want is to get cought with pictures....I got found with some hand written breeding notes an this only enabled them to up the categorie an gave them the ability to give me more time...not evryone is in the same situation as you....it would be nice if you could understand that..an be thankful for the situation you are in.....
I haven't said original haze is crap...the posi haze clone they had was quite strong ...even something similar to that is hard to find now

 

[MAHA KALA]

back to discussion. you are looking for terps coming from haze male A, you say. I know JohnyChicago can say something to you about it, as he thinks he found it in seedsman haze. but again why do you think that if would be hazeA male crossed to something different than NL5 or NL1, it would put same smell out? with different genetics it would be different combination no? or you think that it is so dominant, it would overpower everything? where is proof for it? the smells you are looking for, are result of crossing with NL5, you can seperate from NL in your mind, but plants you are talking about, are mix w ithNL5, it is NL x hawaiian. it changes whole map of genes when it is mixed in. and from my experience I can say that even 17weeker of NH, thought it is very sativa, almost like thai hybrid, it is not haze, it is still haze hybrid. lacks something compared to stellar sample of ohz, I know that some guys grew original haze and said it is nice, well to me it is they didnt get right one. because otherwise they would say they tripped out.

 

[TheDarkStorm]

I am not at good situation LOL I cant grow in my greenhouses anymore. I built just one on another place, and I am risking my life everyday. back to discussion. you are looking for terps coming from haze male A, you say. I know JohnyChicago can say something to you about it, as he thinks he found it in seedsman haze. but again why do you think that if would be hazeA male crossed to something different than NL5 or NL1, it would put same smell out? with different genetics it would be different combination no? or you think that it is so dominant, it would overpower everything? where is proof for it? the smells you are looking for, are result of crossing with NL5, you can seperate from NL in your mind, but plants you are talking about, are mix w ithNL5, it is NL x hawaiian. it changes whole map of genes when it is mixed in. and from my experience I can say that even 17weeker of NH, thought it is very sativa, almost like thai hybrid, it is not haze, it is still haze hybrid.

Mah cus hazeA got put to hash plant , skunk, nl, and g13 an thers a similar thread to them...its not just necessarily just the A side..the old HazeC side was excellent too...that was put to many things such as the Hawaiian an south african an a lumbo as well as the indica types...an it was quite easy to pick up the hzC in all those....I cant claim that A an C are the be all of evrything...which is why im open to find similar types in Ohz...In the past i found ohz different to those males as im sure many people did...but im willing to look at it again...like you said johnny found a intresting one that may be similar to the A side...do you know if it carries a similar structure..meaning those round sort of beads all clumped together....mind you id be more intrested in the effects something may give.

 

[MAHA KALA]

sorry didnt realize it was crossed with those other cuts. I would let it for Johny, he will chime in, I am sure. and sure, at the end original haze is not so stable, many phenos. I understand that if somebody is selling hazeA and hazeC hybrids, will say it is the best of haze, but you are not selling, me not selling it - so why not let plants do the talk. I want you to grow it, and make outcross with haze male and haze female, after you properly select them, and see differences. and we can discuss. but if you dont claim A and C are not superior to other phenotypical expressions in Ohz, why do you want to find something similar, and not something different and maybe even better? you know these "breeders" who are not using anything than NLhaze, with note that ohz is crap.. to me it is excuse for their laziness or non ability to grow good number of original haze and create own ohz crosses. wouldn't it be more colorful haze world, then only NLhaze this and that? they dont want to do work for some reason, like this troll Hempy, he is supposed to respect skunkman according to his own words, let still claim NLhaze is superior to Ohz LOL which is in fact total disrespect hehe especially without growing Ohz..

 

[TheDarkStorm]

sorry didnt realize it was crossed with those other cuts. I would let it for Johny, he will chime in, I am sure. and sure, at the end original haze is not so stable, many phenos. I understand that if somebody is selling hazeA and hazeC hybrids, will say it is the best of haze, but you are not selling, me not selling it - so why not let plants do the talk. I want you to grow it, and make outcross with haze male and haze female, after you properly select them, and see differences. and we can discuss. but if you dont claim A and C are not superior to other phenotypical expressions in Ohz, why do you want to find something similar, and not something different and maybe even better? you know these "breeders" who are not using anything than NLhaze, with note that ohz is crap.. to me it is excuse for their laziness or non ability to grow good number of original haze and create own ohz crosses. wouldn't it be more colorful haze world, then only NLhaze this and that? they dont want to do work for some reason, like this troll Hempy, he is supposed to respect skunkman according to his own words, let still claim NLhaze is superior to Ohz LOL which is in fact total disrespect hehe especially without growing Ohz..

This is a better method to use maha...judge the plants an more so the effects...I use hazeA an hazeC as a bench mark...if I can find better then thats excellent....after all were all looking for the best that we can get....I did do some breeding with ohz from a number of sources along time ago...as did others for many many years....but sometimes like you say you have to find the right ones that are sutable to ones self an that isnt always so easy with haze....especially wen youve had some of the best the line has....but alot of people are trying now with alot of different methods so hopefully we might find some good things.

 

[MAHA KALA]

yeah I also think, we didnt find the best from Ohz yet. I agree with you, neville´s haze is for me potency standard for haze hybrids. talking about potency, not complexity of effect. thats why I grow it next to my hybrid to compare, to answer your previous question why I grow it. I am sure that if you will keep looking in Ohz genes, soon or later you will find something stellar, but with the highest probability it will be different. as same as loud in terps, but different. I can tell you some of thh females can over reek modern hybrids with its loudness, still it is not stinky, by no way, only feminine fragrance.. I am looking forward to your Ohz grows and hope you will share it with us here. it will be BIG FUN. but still separating hazeA genetics from all those cuts it was crossed to, gives some idea, but it is still idea and not the plant. it is hard to define what hazeA is when it was only male, it is much harder to get know it than if it was female..

 

[TheDarkStorm]

yeah I also think, we didnt find the best from Ohz yet. I agree with you, neville´s haze is for me potency standard for haze hybrids. talking about potency, not complexity of effect. thats why I grow it next to my hybrid to compare, to answer your previous question why I grow it. I am sure that if you will keep looking in Ohz genes, soon or later you will find something stellar, but with the highest probability it will be different. as same as loud in terps, but different. I can tell you some of thh females can over reek modern hybrids with its loudness, still it is not stinky, by no way, only feminine fragrance.. I am looking forward to your Ohz grows and hope you will share it with us here.

I will say maha thers a almost all gold pheno in thh quite thick budded thats really good quite hard to find tho...looks like the bud from one of mad macs pictures. One of my friends also just recently did a old highland thai put a old lowland thai an picked a mother then put that to one of the old hazes from sam...unfortunately the few they tested gave weird plants...one branch would be female an the altering branch would be hermie...got pictures of one of those still in veg in my gallery labbeled as super thai haze

Any way this is similar to the best ive found in thh..the rarer gold budded pheno....picture is mad macs...but may not be pure thh..but looks exactly like the best plants buds ive found in thh

 

[F2F]

Id be intrested in seeing your pictures cannatorium.
Im looking for the haze that has the overpowering sandlewood an pine tones or frankincense incense...some with spice some with pepper..but hashy...over powering flavour wen you tolk on them its so strong it hits the back of your throat an gives you the feeling its going to get sore.. the only way I could describe it was as if the bud had been dipped in chemicals camphor...almost exotic scents unlike cannabis...no fruity tones an lemon like tones....makes your head spin an your stomache wobble...makes you paraniod an gives you the sweats...can leave most people a quivering mess gasping for air wer they become scared to smoke again..ceiling less an no tolerance build up...that was the power of some of the haze lines earlier on...its so hard to find stuff like that...most just like pleasant feel good stuff...I liked the stuff that most people found way too stong an liked to stay away from... anything you can recommend along these lines would be a great help.

TDS, might be a Mullum line or cross thereof would get you pretty close to what you describe above?

Peace,
F2F

 

[Koondense]

Please correct me if i'm wrong but i thought haze A and C used by Nevil were the only two survivors(so not really selected) from the only batch of original haze seeds he got from Sam?
And they were males or...?



Thanks and excuse my ignorance.

 

[willydread]

If I remember good, It was 5 or 6 plants but only the top three (A, B, C) were good for selections ....

 

[TheDarkStorm]

Please correct me if i'm wrong but i thought haze A and C used by Nevil were the only two survivors(so not really selected) from the only batch of original haze seeds he got from Sam?
And they were males or...?



Thanks and excuse my ignorance.

There were 7 that come up....also hazeC was reversed onto itself which produced true males and females...that line was explored too... some of the plants from the original seeds that wer going 12-16 weeks were tested an discarded...apart from b wich was used for abit....FH was the best of all but was prematurely cut down....thats was the sift nevil was smoking at the very first cannabis cup...it turned out to be better than the two males...but had been cut already for being a pain in the ass to grow. Thenther was a couple of clones sam had selected from large numbers an gave nevil a cut ov those , those wer tested an choped too....I think sam may still hold cuts of those

 

[zachrockbadenof]

all this is too confusing... nevil used this cut...no... he used this cut.... i'm going to have a seance and contact him for the 'real' story... i'll report back...

 

[@hempy]

all this is too confusing... nevil used this cut...no... he used this cut.... i'm going to have a seance and contact him for the 'real' story... i'll report back...

Nevil past away a year n a half ago all his thoughts on haze are posted.

 

[Donald Mallard]

No one can accuse you of being intelligent now can they mate Quotes with real facts bother you ?.

Here is one more for you to enjoy.

you know a quote isnt necessarily a fact ,
its just the exact words someone said ,

it still could be false information you are quoting ,
just some food for though there in case you think quotes are actually facts , they are not
a fact is something that is known to be true or is proven to be true , quotes dont necessarily fall into that category...

Regardless of what Nevil or Shanti think the OHaze seeds I sold them were made by me in the 70's or 80's the parents of those seeds may have been from seeds I collected from the Haze Bros, Cannabis from when ever. I never sold anyone OHaze seeds I collected from the Haze Brothers Cannabis or given to me by them. I only used OHaze seeds I made myself to sell to others, period. Nevil may have lied to Shanti?

-SamS

Hiya Sam Nevil told me his version of the story but in all honesty Sam 20 years of two sides clashing on the Forums has achieved nothing it still comes down to basics.

With out you Sam taking the seeds to Holland non of us would of seen haze or haze hybrids growing in any of ow gardens including Nevil's.

Wether you believe me or not Sam i have always respected you but that dose not mean i cant disagree with you hell i disagreed with Nevil a lot to.

History is important but what is more impotent is what is left to go forth with preserving or even improving haze if possible.

With out Haze the dutch seen would of been shit .

without seeming like im being rude ,
which part of sams post do you disagree with ?



do you think the seeds nevil struck are not ones sam made himself as he has said ?

just for clarity as im a bit confused with what you are disagreeing with , and i recall some story that went around about nevil meeting the haze brothers and getting seeds which later turned out to be untrue ???

 

[@hempy]

you know a quote isnt necessarily a fact ,
its just the exact words someone said ,

it still could be false information you are quoting ,
just some food for though there in case you think quotes are actually facts , they are not
a fact is something that is known to be true or is proven to be true , quotes dont necessarily fall into that category...








without seeming like im being rude ,
which part of sams post do you disagree with ?



do you think the seeds nevil struck are not ones sam made himself as he has said ?

just for clarity as im a bit confused with what you are disagreeing with , and i recall some story that went around about nevil meeting the haze brothers and getting seeds which later turned out to be untrue ???

What has my response to Sam or Sam's response to me have to do with you Donald and why do you continue to troll me ?.

 

[MadMac]

SamS's Original Haze 2020

SamS's Original Haze 2020

hello haze lovers,
well as always hot hot discussion...
so some think SamS has no bag of Original Haze seeds anymore to do his final selection...
i'll was @ his home ... not only one time...
and by all the talk about the haze...
the only true source is still SamS.

here you see a 1350g bag full of best Original-Haze seeds...
and they are all full viable...

many thx @SamS ... love the haze...
nothing moves me more than the haze...
next meet I'll promise to bring the best from your lot... hehe
what a trip it was the way back...
missed the direction home a few times lol
they where driving all soooo fast ...

we gonna haze the world
cu
M

 

[@hempy]

I assume Sam stores his seed well but the Seed Nevil got From Sam and there were a good amount of seed he got from Sam only saw 7 or 8 plants germinate from all those seed.

Since you guys what to push this lets talk about it.

So what a few 1000 seed get put in to germinate and 7 or 8 germinate now dose that sound like fresh seed to you.

Some things are best left were they fall gentlemen.

With out Sam no one would of had haze or haze hybrids growing in there grow space full stop.

 

[Donald Mallard]

What has my response to Sam or Sam's response to me have to do with you Donald and why do you continue to troll me ?.

we are both on a forum discussing cannabis ,
its perfectly normal to ask questions ,
in fact its encouraged because without it a forum doesnt quite work

it is not considered trolling , its called being inquisitive ...



anyhow can you answer my questions.. thanks ..