Question about Hermie plants: Calling all experts!!!

[spadedNfaded]

I've came back to growing recently and i've been having a different kind of issue this time around.

I had a chocolope bagseed herm on me the first wave of plants i put in my flower chamber and i thought i fixed the problem. I pulled that plant after it seeded the one next to it and have been dealing with the aftermath since.

The problem was i had run the 4" duct work coming from my veg cab to the cooltube of the flower chamber. I knew that was the issue, so i disconnected the tube and made a light catch for the intake of the cooltube. It is one of those DIY cardboard angle kinds. I have it aimed up and i didn't have any problems from the remaining 3 plants



My problem is it happened to a couple other plants that are on day 11 flower. 1 MNS SSH and 2 ChemDDs. They very slightly started to show signs of male flowers and even 2 semi-mature sacks. I caught the problem today and i managed to get rid of ALL of the branches where i saw male flowers beginning to form.

Now... i spent 2 hours in the area with polyfill and ductape filling every crack and crevasse and every joint taped. I turned the light-trap for the intake to face the wall so it's practically up against it. I sealed the base of 2 sides of the cab used for passive intake (there's holes cut out in the floor of the cabinet and the cab is up on 1/2" feet).

Are these plants going to continue to do this for the rest of their cycle? Is a plant doomed to become a full-blown hermie if they begin to show signs? Does it matter to the female plant that i fixed the problem or is it too late for them now? Are the remaining branches of these plants going to go the ways of the hermie? Or do these plants need to be continually stressed to continue to shoot nanners?



I know the most obvious answer would be to pull these. But if there's a chance that they'll revert back to their female selves then i'll try to wait it out and keep my eye on em like a hawk.

Thank you for your responses!!!

- SubN

 

[darookie2000]

Try dutchmaster reverse.

 

[spadedNfaded]

thanks.

I did a bunch of research before i posted and i did see about reverse.
I have a window up ready to place my order as we speak.

i do believe i'm going to try that.

- SubN

 

[darookie2000]

thanks.

I did a bunch of research before i posted and i did see about reverse.
I have a window up ready to place my order as we speak.

i do believe i'm going to try that.

- SubN

Get penetrator too, it will help with absorption.

 

[spadedNfaded]

yep! read all the instructions too, lol
I really really really hate this problem, i'd rather have some kinda deficiency!! haha
i'm gonna have this shit overnighted.

any body else??

- SubN

 

[darookie2000]

yep! read all the instructions too, lol
I really really really hate this problem, i'd rather have some kinda deficiency!! haha
i'm gonna have this shit overnighted.

any body else??

- SubN

You got it. It's a weird mixing strategy IMO, you add like a tiny amount of penetrator to like 60 ml of reverse. Reverse is premixed, don't add water! I just bought some to use as a preventative. I don't think it will hurt anything if used properly.

 

[spadedNfaded]

word, thanks for your help. I'm bugging over here. I'm not tryng to have 3 outta 6 plants go full blown herm on me. I'm 95% sure i fixed the problem now. i took a few extra steps more than the last fix i did.
Placed my order for overnight, should arrive on wednesday if all goes well.
I'll make sure i check ever mm of every branch tomorrow.

- SubN

 

[darookie2000]

word, thanks for your help. I'm bugging over here. I'm not tryng to have 3 outta 6 plants go full blown herm on me. I'm 95% sure i fixed the problem now. i took a few extra steps more than the last fix i did.
Placed my order for overnight, should arrive on wednesday if all goes well.
I'll make sure i check ever mm of every branch tomorrow.

- SubN

No problem, hope it helps. Just pluck any bananas you find until then and mist down the females to try to rinse as much pollen as you can. Don't be surprised if your crop gets pretty seeded, but let's hope it doesn't happen.

 

[spadedNfaded]

I will. Trust me, I won't be surprised if it does happen.

My last run got seeded because i tried to do the "plucking" method AFTER i noticed some mature sacks. I waited too long on that one.

This time around i noticed it on day 10, before there were any mature sacks AND before they even started any trich production. Tomorrow i'm going to go over every inch of the plant and mist down the others if i find ANY sacks and there should be a good chance that by wednesday i will have the spray to mist them down and hopefully they should stop.

I will use this thread as a test and i will explain all of my results with Dutchmaster Reverse and Penetrator Gold.

- SubN

 

[Cruzin]

In a one liter spray bottle you are supposed to use 10ml of Reverse. I generally mix that with 30 ml of penetrator. Using enough penetrator is key.

 

[Rock.Steady]

Been there.


Dutch Masters Reverse and Penetrator.

follow the directions exactly.

spary liberally to runnoff, and again 10 days later.
if you're under HPS, raise them slightly until absorbed, usually less than 5 minutes.

that stuff WORKS!

 

[Rock.Steady]

In a one liter spray bottle you are supposed to use 10ml of Reverse. I generally mix that with 30 ml of penetrator. Using enough penetrator is key.

your numbers dont sound right at all.

Reverse is used full strength, do not dilute.

the Penetrator has directions of 4 tbsp per liter of 'final solution', but the Reverse has directions for 2 tspn Penetrator per each liter of Reverse.

my own personal experience is approx 1 tbsp Penetrator for each 1/2 liter of Reverse.

It has worked for me every time i used it.

 

[spadedNfaded]

Thanks for the response guys. This seems to be a common problem with certain strains and i'm surprised you don't heat more about this product around these parts.

Here are the direcetions taken directly from dutchmaster.com

"USAGE INSTRUCTIONS:

To use REVERSE, simply follow these easy guidelines!

1. Use as a preventative aid at the onset or initiation of flowering and once again 10 days later or can be used at the first sight of male flowers by spraying with Reverse immediately and once again 10 days later.
2. Pour the amount of REVERSE you need into a spray bottle. Typically 500mls is enough for one application for the average sized garden.
3. Add GOLD PENETRATOR at the rate of 10ml per litre only! A 500ml / ½ quart spray bottle will require 5ml / 1 teaspoon of GOLD PENETRATOR and a 250ml / ¼ quart spray bottle will require only 2.5ml / ½ teaspoon of GOLD PENETRATOR.
4. Gently shake the spray bottle with the solution to make sure it is well mixed.
5. ** Important - you must spray the solution within 15 minutes of adding GOLD PENETRATOR**! "

So, RockSteady which strains have you used that strength on? You say that it has worked every time? Well i am in need of something with a high % success rate. Also, you did mean 1 tablespoon per 1/2 litre of Reserve right? The recommended dosage says: A 500ml / ½ quart spray bottle will require 5ml / 1 teaspoon of GOLD PENETRATOR. DId you notice any ill effects? any plant reactions?

Of course i don't expect Reverse to arrive at my house and fix all of my problems. i am going to seriously go over my grow area tomorrow after the inspection after work. I'm going to make as many small tweak and changes that i can to ensure that 0 light is getting anywhere near the cabinet. Hopefully i get it in time. a few days a confusion shouldn't set me too far back. As long as i can keep those pollen sacks from maturing i think i can save it!!!

- SubN

 

[Rock.Steady]

SNF
I have not used this "gold penetrator", didnt know they had this variation, must be new.
I have used "penetrator"

dont really remember each strain used Reverse on, but I can say it worked for me each time.
i was turned on to the stuff by Weedhound, she swears by the stuff.

The Penetrator is a wetting agent. it helps speed the absorbsion into the plant.

also, for petes sake, get that room sealed up


hope this helps.

 

[Danknuggler]

wait let me get this straight.they make a spray that will turn a hermied plant back to female?

 

[darookie2000]

wait let me get this straight.they make a spray that will turn a hermied plant back to female?

Sort of. It's still a hermie, but it won't grow sacks. So, yeah, it's a female.

 

[darookie2000]

Thanks for the response guys. This seems to be a common problem with certain strains and i'm surprised you don't heat more about this product around these parts.

Here are the direcetions taken directly from dutchmaster.com

"USAGE INSTRUCTIONS:

To use REVERSE, simply follow these easy guidelines!

1. Use as a preventative aid at the onset or initiation of flowering and once again 10 days later or can be used at the first sight of male flowers by spraying with Reverse immediately and once again 10 days later.
2. Pour the amount of REVERSE you need into a spray bottle. Typically 500mls is enough for one application for the average sized garden.
3. Add GOLD PENETRATOR at the rate of 10ml per litre only! A 500ml / ½ quart spray bottle will require 5ml / 1 teaspoon of GOLD PENETRATOR and a 250ml / ¼ quart spray bottle will require only 2.5ml / ½ teaspoon of GOLD PENETRATOR.
4. Gently shake the spray bottle with the solution to make sure it is well mixed.
5. ** Important - you must spray the solution within 15 minutes of adding GOLD PENETRATOR**! "

So, RockSteady which strains have you used that strength on? You say that it has worked every time? Well i am in need of something with a high % success rate. Also, you did mean 1 tablespoon per 1/2 litre of Reserve right? The recommended dosage says: A 500ml / ½ quart spray bottle will require 5ml / 1 teaspoon of GOLD PENETRATOR. DId you notice any ill effects? any plant reactions?

Of course i don't expect Reverse to arrive at my house and fix all of my problems. i am going to seriously go over my grow area tomorrow after the inspection after work. I'm going to make as many small tweak and changes that i can to ensure that 0 light is getting anywhere near the cabinet. Hopefully i get it in time. a few days a confusion shouldn't set me too far back. As long as i can keep those pollen sacks from maturing i think i can save it!!!

- SubN

Most people haven't done much with it. They typically cut down hermies as soon as they show. I'm a bit more stubborn, and I decided to get this as a preventative instead. BTW, I'd recommend applying right before the lights go out or like an hour before they are ready to come on rather than spraying under HPS.

 

[Rock.Steady]

It basically acts as a male gene inhibitor.
it represses the male growth characteristics.

true, many folks dont know about it (why i dont know).
my local shop got it on my request, but at last check, sold only 1 bottle in the past year. guess who bought that one.

i assured him they will sell.

 

[Weedhound]

Make sure you fix any and ALL light leaks or you'll simply be wasting your money. Reverse
DOES work.... but not if you don't fix the isssues that caused your hermies in the first place. IF the issue causing the plants to hermie remains; your hermies will return. Light leaks (often called light poisoning) are easily the MOST common reason for a normal female plant to turn hermie so doublecheck your lighting closely.

good luck.

 

[Rock.Steady]

wow, i didnt tell you about this post.

you must have hermie-radar