Putin Told Me He Didn't Do It

[Zeez]

I'm really interested to hear what everyone has to say about this one.

 

[xet]

hashtag awaitingaresponseorimreallytriggered

 

[minds_I]

Told you so

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Well if not so Big Bad Vlad said he didn't do it.....then he didn't do it.

....or did he?
....in the court of public opinion, don't really matter what he said.

 

[theJointedOne]

all part of the plan

division

 

[garyw]

Rosensteins inditment was intended for trump to use it to prove the special council muellers theory with no proof but he denied it that is why they sent another copy with Chris Wallace and Putin was expecting it and laughed at Wallace. Trump is going to expose pedos when he returns. He will get the last laugh.

 

[garyw]

By the way you guys in California going to support Deleon who said more than half his family have fake social security cards,drivers licenses and green cards to get jobs and not get deported. I do not like Feinstein but I would vote her back in if I lived in California.

 

[minds_I]

Hello all,


Quisling

noun
a traitor who collaborates with an enemy force occupying their country

Its important to expand ones vocabulary. ah?(for my friends in the land of snow)

minds_I

 

[Tudo]

I think it's great. As I told a Ukranian friend of mine a little while ago, :


President Trump is being BROADLY criticized here for meeting with Putin in the American ( socialist dirt bag ) press.



Meanwhile we have helped make communist china's cadre's rich, we trade with Vietnam, we trade with countries that hate us. Why?



Personally, I think it's been FAR TOO LONG that The Ukrainians ( one of my best friends here, Victor xxxxxxxodsky, his parents were from the Ukraine. My grandparents were from Poland ) We should all be friends unltil we have reason not to be and so far, I don't see any reason not to be friends do you?.



The founding Fathers of the USA swore, fair trade with all, and political entanglements with NONE.



So, screw the press and let's all be friends, do some business, and create better lives for ALL of us.

 

[Stoner4Life]

Putin Told Me He Didn't Do It




and he's not gonna cum in your mouth.......


heard all the lies already

 

[brown_thumb]

My guess is Putin and Trump are butte-buddies, at least in spirit.

 

[Brother Nature]

Here's a rather interesting perspective on this topic. Personally, I highly doubt there was any collusion. It just reeks of cold war paranoia and diversionary tactics.

That said, if it were proven, then he'd be a traitor in the vein of Benedict Arnold and should be treated as such.

US Media is Losing Its Mind Over Trump-Putin Press Conference

July 16, 2018 • 17 Comments

The media’s mania over Trump’s Helsinki performance and the so-called Russia-gate scandal reached new depths on Monday, says Joe Lauria

By Joe Lauria
Special to Consortium News
The reaction of the U.S. establishment media and several political leaders to President Donald Trump’s press conference after his summit meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday has been stunning.


Writing in The Atlantic, James Fallows said:

“There are exactly two possible explanations for the shameful performance the world witnessed on Monday, from a serving American president.
Either Donald Trump is flat-out an agent of Russian interests—maybe witting, maybe unwitting, from fear of blackmail, in hope of future deals, out of manly respect for Vladimir Putin, out of gratitude for Russia’s help during the election, out of pathetic inability to see beyond his 306 electoral votes. Whatever the exact mixture of motives might be, it doesn’t really matter.
Or he is so profoundly ignorant, insecure, and narcissistic that he did not realize that, at every step, he was advancing the line that Putin hoped he would advance, and the line that the American intelligence, defense, and law-enforcement agencies most dreaded.
Conscious tool. Useful idiot. Those are the choices, though both are possibly true, so that the main question is the proportions … never before have I seen an American president consistently, repeatedly, publicly, and shockingly advance the interests of another country over those of his own government and people.”
​

As soon as the press conference ended CNN cut to its panel with these words from TV personality Anderson Cooper: “You have been watching perhaps one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president at a summit in front of a Russian leader, surely, that I’ve ever seen.”



David Gergen, who for years has gotten away with portraying himself on TV as an impartial political sage, then told CNN viewers:



“I’ve never heard an American President talk that way buy I think it is especially true that when he’s with someone like Putin, who is a thug, a world-class thug, that he sides with him again and again against his own country’s interests of his own institutions that he runs, that he’s in charge of the federal government , he’s in charge of these intelligence agencies, and he basically dismisses them and retreats into this, we’ve heard it before, but on the international stage to talk about Hillary Clinton’s computer server …”


“It’s embarrassing,” interjected Cooper.


“It’s embarrassing,” agreed Gergen.


White House correspondent Jim Acosta, ostensibly an objective reporter, then gave his opinion: “I think that sums it up nicely. This is the president of the United States essentially taking the word of the Russian president…over his own intelligence community. It was astonishing, just astonishing to be in the room with the U.S. president and the Russian president on this critical question of election interference, and to retreat back to these talking points about DNC servers and Hillary Clinton’s emails when he had a chance right there in front of the world to tell Vladimir Putin to stay the HELL out of American democracy, and he didn’t do it.”



In other words Trump should just shut up and not question a questionable indictment, which Acosta, like nearly all the media, treat as a conviction.

The Media’s Handlers
The media’s handlers were even worse than their assets. Former CIA director John Brennan tweeted: “Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of ‘high crimes & misdemeanors,.’ It was nothing short of treasonous. Not only were Trump’s comments imbecilic, he is wholly in the pocket of Putin.



Republican Patriots: Where are you???”


Here’s where the Republican Patriots are, Brennan: “That’s how a press conference sounds when an Asset stands next to his Handler,” former RNC Chairman Michael Steele tweeted.
Representative Liz Cheney, the daughter of the former vice president, said on Twitter: “As a member of the House Armed Services Committee, I am deeply troubled by President Trump’s defense of Putin against the intelligence agencies of the U.S. & his suggestion of moral equivalence between the U.S. and Russia. Russia poses a grave threat to our national security.”



All these were reactions to Trump expressing skepticism about the U.S. indictment on Friday of 12 Russian intelligence agents for allegedly interfering in the 2016 U.S. presidential election while he was standing next to Russian President Vladimir Putin at the press conference following their summit meeting in Helsinki.



“I will say this: I don’t see any reason why it would be” Russia, Trump said. “I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today.”


The indictments, which are only unproven accusations, formally accused 12 members of the GRU, Russian military intelligence, of stealing Democratic Party emails in a hacking operation and giving the materials to WikiLeaks to publish in order to damage the candidacy of Trump’s opponent, Hillary Clinton.


Over the weekend Michael Smerconish on CNN actually said the indictments proved that Russia had committed a “terrorist attack” against the United States.


Putin said the allegations are “utter nonsense, just like [Trump] recently mentioned.” He added: “The final conclusion in this kind of dispute can only be delivered by a trial, by the court. Not by the executive, by the law enforcement.” He could have added nor by the media.



Trump reasonably questioned why the FBI never examined the computer servers of the Democratic National Committee to see whether there was a hack and who may have done it. Instead a private company, CrowdStrike, hired by the Democratic Party studied the server.


“Why haven’t they taken the server? “ Trump asked. “Why was the FBI told to leave the office of the Democratic National Committee? I’ve been wondering that. I’ve been asking that for months and months and I’ve been tweeting it out and calling it out on social media. Where is the server? I want to know, where is the server and what is the server saying?”


But being a poor communicator, Trump then mentioned Clinton’s missing emails, allowing the media to conflate the two different servers, and be easily dismissed as Gergen did.


At the press conference, Putin offered to allow American investigators from the team of special counsel Robert Mueller, who put the indictment together, to travel to Russia and take part in interviews with the 12 accused Russian agents. He also offered to set up a joint cyber-security group to examine the evidence and asked that in return Russia be allowed to question persons of interest to Moscow in the United States.
“Let’s discuss the specific issues and not use the Russia and U.S. relationship as a loose change for this internal political struggle,” Putin said.


On CNN, Christiane Amanpour called Putin’s clear offer “obfuscation.”


Even if Trump agreed to this reasonable proposal it seems highly unlikely that his Justice Department will go along with it. Examination of whatever evidence they have to back up the indictment is not what the DOJ is after. As I wrote about the indictments in detail on Friday:


“The extremely remote possibility of convictions were not what Mueller was apparently after, but rather the public perception of Russia’s guilt resulting from fevered media coverage of what are after all only accusations, presented as though it is established fact. Once that impression is settled into the public consciousness, Mueller’s mission would appear to be accomplished.”


Still No ‘Collusion’
The indictments did not include any members of Trump’s campaign team for “colluding” with the alleged Russian hacking effort, which has been a core allegation throughout the two years of the so-called Russia-gate scandal. Those allegations are routinely reported in U.S. media as established fact, though there is still no evidence of collusion.
Trump emphasised that point in the press conference. “There was no collusion at all,” he said forcefully. “Everybody knows it.”



On this point corporate media has been more deluded than normal as they clutch for straws to prove the collusion theory. As one example of many across the media with the same theme, a New York Times story on Friday, headlined, “Trump Invited the Russians to Hack Clinton. Were They Listening?,” said Russia may have absurdly responded to Trump’s call at 10:30 a.m. on July 27, 2016 to hack Clinton’s private email server because it was “on or about” that day that Russia allegedly first made an attempt to hack Clinton’s personal emails, according to the indictment, which makes no connection between the two events.


If Russia is indeed guilty of remotely hacking the emails it would have had no evident need of assistance from anyone on the Trump team, let alone a public call from Trump on national TV to commence the operation.


And as Twitter handle “Representative Press” pointed out: “Trump’s July 27, 2016 call to find the missing 30,000 emails could not be a ‘call to hack Clinton’s server’ because at that point it was no longer online. Long before Trump’s statement, Clinton had already turned over her email server to the U.S. Department of Justice.” Either the indictment was talking about different servers or it is being intentionally misleading when it says “on or about July 27, 2016, the Conspirators attempted after hours to spearphish for the first time email accounts at a domain hosted by a third party provider and used by Clinton’s personal office.”


This crucial fact alone, that Clinton had turned over the server in 2015 so that no hack was possible, makes it impossible that Trump’s TV call could be seen as collusion. Only a desperate person would see it otherwise.



But there is a simple explanation why establishment journalists are in unison in their dominant Russian narrative: it is career suicide to question it.


As Samuel Johnson said as far back as 1745: “The greatest part of mankind have no other reason for their opinions than that they are in fashion …since vanity and credulity cooperate in its favour.”


Importance of US-Russia Relations
Trump said the unproven allegation of collusion “as had a negative impact upon the relationship of the two largest nuclear powers in the world. We have 90 percent of nuclear power between the two countries. It’s ridiculous. It’s ridiculous what’s going on with the probe.”


The American president said the U.S. has been “foolish” not to attempt dialogue with Russia before, to cooperate on a range of issues.


“As president, I cannot make decisions on foreign policy in a futile effort to appease partisan critics or the media or Democrats who want to do nothing but resist and obstruct,” Trump said. “Constructive dialogue between the United States and Russia forwards the opportunity to open new pathways toward peace and stability in our world. I would rather take a political risk in pursuit of peace than to risk peace in pursuit of politics.”


This main reason for summits between Russian and American leaders was also ignored: to use diplomacy to reduce dangerous tensions. “I really think the world wants to see us get along,” Trump said. “We are the two great nuclear powers. We have 90 percent of the nuclear. And that’s not a good thing, it’s a bad thing.”
Preventing good relations between the two countries appears to be the heart of the matter for U.S. intelligence and their media stenographers. So Trump could never be given credit for trying.



Ignoring the Rest of the Story
Obsessed as they are with the “interference” story, the media virtually ignored the other crucial issues that came up at the summit, such as the Middle East.
Trump sort of thanked Russia for its efforts to defeat ISIS. “When you look at all of the progress that’s been made in certain sections with the eradication of ISIS, about 98 percent, 99 percent there, and other things that have taken place that we have done and that, frankly, Russia has helped us with in certain respects,” he said.



Trump here is falsely taking credit, as he has before, for defeating ISIS with only some “help” from Russia. In Iraq the U.S. led the way against ISIS coordinating the Iraqi and Kurdish security forces. But in the separate war against ISIS in Syria, Russia, the Syrian Arab Army, Kurdish forces, Iranian troops and Hizbullah militias were almost entirely responsible for ISIS’ defeat.



Also on Syria, Trump appeared to endorse what is being reported as a deal between Russia and Israel in which Israel would accept Bashar al-Assad remaining as Syrian president, while Russia would work on Iran to get it to remove its forces away from the northern Golan Heights, which Israel illegally considers its border with Syria.
After a meeting in Moscow last week with Putin, Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he accepted Assad remaining in power.
“President Putin also is helping Israel,” Trump said at the press conference. “We both spoke with Bibi Netanyahu. They would like to do certain things with respect to Syria, having to do with the safety of Israel. In that respect, we absolutely would like to work in order to help Israel. Israel will be working with us. So both countries would work jointly.”
Trump also said that the U.S. and Russian militaries were coordinating in Syria, but he did not go as far as saying that they had agreed to fight together there, which has been a longstanding proposal of Putin’s dating back to September 2015, just before Moscow intervened militarily in the country.
“Our militaries have gotten along probably better than our political leaders for years,” Trump said. “Our militaries do get along very well. They do coordinate in Syria and other places.”
Trump said Russia and the U.S. should cooperate in humanitarian assistance in Syria.
“If we can do something to help the people of Syria get back into some form of shelter and on a humanitarian basis…that’s what the word was, a humanitarian basis,” he said. “I think both of us would be very interested in doing that.”
Putin said he had agreed on Sunday with French President Emmanuel Macron on a joint effort with Europe to deliver humanitarian aid. “ On our behalf, we will provide military cargo aircraft to deliver humanitarian cargo. Today, I brought up this issue with President Trump. I think there’s plenty of things to look into,” Putin said.
Joe Lauria is editor-in-chief of Consortium News and a former correspondent for The Wall Street Journal, Boston Globe, Sunday Times of London and numerous other newspapers. He can be reached at [email protected] and followed on Twitter @unjoe .

 

[Dropped Cat]

Prolly accidentally gave P*tin the nuke codes, oops.

 

[armedoldhippy]

well, Putin was KGB, and you just know that as professionals that they would not lie about something that important...

 

[igrowone]

another day in the history books
disgraceful

 

[minds_I]

Hello all,

Just finishing up with Hannity...I enjoy listening to the spin.

As Kellyanne would say...alternate facts.


I remember when she first uttered those word...it looked like she was throwing up in her mouth as she was forcing herself to say "alternate facts"

minds_I

 

[vta]

Alright ! Unproven accusations, conjecture and innuendos are the basis for what you #Resisters use to cry about...because Trump didn't hand Putin his ass on the International stage ?


All the left has is muh Russia. lol


"Oh...he's a traitor! ...let me give you a definition..." Prove it skippy. Even a rigged DOJFBI can't produce anything. They tried, they lied and some have died...but ZERO evidence Trump colluded with Russia....ZERO.

 

[moose eater]

In the end, we have, for the moment at least, Trump contradicting the various Intel agencies, as well as the FBI. In other words, we have career liars and spin doctors accusing each other of being misleading.

In my opinion, from a historical perspective, how many times have the 'Intelligence agencies' lied us into war, conflict, international or national maneuvers that were unfounded by facts later unearthed, or otherwise misled the public for political reasons?

How many times has the FBI been involved in seriously questionable 'truths'?

Many, many times, in both cases..

Then we have The Trump, who clearly has issues with truthfulness or perception, or both.

When I see known liars and professional 'distortionists,' battling it out with other known fibsters, I typically walk away. No time for endless tar-babies with persons who neither deserve my respect or my attention.

History says they're ALL full of shit. I'd rather talk with, or listen to, people whose opinions are worthy of respect.

 

[brown_thumb]

In the end, we have, for the moment at least, Trump contradicting the various Intel agencies, as well as the FBI. In other words, we have career liars and spin doctors accusing each other of being misleading.

In my opinion, from a historical perspective, how many times have the 'Intelligence agencies' lied us into war, conflict, international or national maneuvers that were unfounded by facts later unearthed, or otherwise misled the public for political reasons?

How many times has the FBI been involved in seriously questionable 'truths'?

Many, many times, in both cases..

Then we have The Trump, who clearly has issues with truthfulness or perception, or both.

When I see known liars and professional 'distortionists,' battling it out with other known fibsters, I typically walk away. No time for endless tar-babies with persons who neither deserve my respect or my attention.

History says they're ALL full of shit. I'd rather talk with, or listen to, people whose opinions are worthy of respect.

 

[Lrus007]

Lrus007