Purple Phenotypes and Potency

[Ktaadn]

C'mon guys - I love a good purple as much as the next guy. I'm not trying to say purple is a bad thing, just that purple phenotypes tend to be less potent compared to their siblings in lines which show both expressions.

This thread is meant to be about green vs. purple phenotypes within a given line. I'm not in any way saying that purple weed can't be potent.

The purple haze line - any good green plants in that line, and how would they compare?

 

[browntrout]

Purples can come from many strains and strain lineages and unexpectedly as well.

KC33 was acclimatized over 10 generations here in Canada. it was only in the last few generations that the "purple" KC33 arose, was always green with no leave purpling. Purple pheno popped up with smaller buds, purple stem and purple leaves/bud with the same traits to the green but yet a little different.

 

[Ktaadn]

That's interesting, never realized the KC33 was acclimated to Canada, and never seen any purple pheno pics of it. I know it's a classic - had it on my list at one time but the "lemon" flavor descriptions turned me off.

 

[Tom Hill]

You are correct and not hallucinating GNW. In the near future we will have a better understanding of overall potential of a plant,, as well as the systems that drive the plant towards those potentials.. The traits do seem to me as well to be linked in some manner.

ie the various inherited thresholds to plants working at optimum levels be it chlorophyll production (masking auxiliary pigmentation) or root hardiness or etc,, does seem to indeed be linked to more than just bud color or other things we don't really care about.

You follow? it will come out something like what good is a wicked built hotrod if it's got no gas in the tank..

ie if a plant can not produce chlorophyll for any reason,,, chances are it may be failing in some other areas too..

 

[Ktaadn]

I was hoping someone with your experience would chime in Tom! I've always admired your dedication and knowledge. "Potency" is subjective of course, but it seems there's enough of a consensus from those that have grown out multiple populations of varying expressions that the purples tend to be milder in effects.

Damn - I need a beer now! Trying to type and make sense at the same time wears me out!

 

[Tom Hill]

hurry up and cheers,, but yeah,, from Sam's experience with Haze (preferring the green) to mine to yours and so many others observations i think really,, this overwhelming evidence is already admitted into court and planted firmly on the table. Just up to us all now to try to make some sense of it..

 

[Ktaadn]

:friends:

Wish I had some better beer - I think someone put purple in my stout

 

[Ktaadn]

 

[Ktaadn]

 

[Ktaadn]

Do the pics show up for you guys?

It's the same strain, two phenotypes.

 

[CosmicCharlie]

The pics show up.

There are good purple phenotypes and ones that are not as potent as their green counterparts.

I've, like BrownTrout, also noticed their terpene profiles to be slightly different.

Perhaps the terpene differences can account for variation in potency observed by some people.

Or maybe it's like TomHill says (I think) that the purple plants don't always live up to their full potential due to lack of chlorophyll.

 

[Mustafunk]

Always had this same feeling... and wondered the same!

Happened to me with Panama, Pakistan Chitral, Bubba and some others so far.

Probably has to do with the different colored flavonoids and tetraterpenes that purple plants may contain.

Chlorophyl doesn't have anything to do with potency anyway, trichomes from albino plants work just like the rest, it seems this process of cannabinoid production inside the trichome is independent from photosynthesis.

Vibes.

 

[browntrout]

I've grown two strains this year PCK/Durban x Blueberry and Mother of Berry S2's

In both cases the purple plants are a hint more earthy and complex and the greens are more stringent + sharp with a slight bit more stink to them.

Still generally the same smell but different in their own right.

Definitely more uniformity between greens and between purples respectively.

 

[midsummer]

You do know that purple haze was a type of LSD; and was what Jimi was singing about.

...pretty sure Jimi Hendrix commanded the world to appreciate good purple weed in 1967 with the song Purple Haze.

Then the rappers reminded us we are supposed to like it.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJunCsrhJjg

 

[soserthc1]

This thread has got me interested in growing some purple hybrids
Suggestions on purple potent plants ?
Urkle i was thinking ? Maybe nspectas gear ?
Sorry for the slight derail

 

[CosmicCharlie]

Urkle is the most potent indica purple I've smoked. Way better than GDP in my opinion.

I had some purple sativa hybrid called Hawaiian Diesel (not sure if it was made up being in a non-med/rec state), but it was awesome and everyone that smoked some loved it.

So there are good purple varieties on both sides and probably also in the middle of the spectrum too.

 

[RoyalFlush]

the trichome is independent from photosynthesis

That's like saying a cars movement is independent from the gasoline, you need the gas to create the power to move the car.

 

[Tom Hill]

I was really saying that inheritable thresholds may span over a great deal of traits. Like the trait responsible for slowing down photosynthesis in adverse conditions may be one and same as one effecting the slowing of other important major/minor metabolic pathways.

 

[Tom Hill]

by the way that dutch dudu purple shit that turns purple from the inside out is the absolute worst those clowns got that from some rudi crop or some such and been scamming the world on it since like purple #1 and etc...

 

[Gerardbutler79]

This is something I've pondered for a long time and couldn't find anything relevant in a search. I've noticed over the years when looking at lines with both purple and green colored phenotypes present that the purple ones nearly always have less "kick" than their green counterparts. I'm talking purple buds here, not purple leaves or buds with a slight purplish hue, but straight up purple calyxes.

My experience is limited to outdoor only, and sometimes this trait could be triggered by cold temps and not entirely genetic, but it seems to hold true ime that the phenos that stay green are the more potent ones. I've seen this in enough different lines that there seems to be some correlation there. It's also interesting to note that the purples tend to be more flavorful.

I'm just a hobbyist that grows for my own needs and I'm certainly not a scientist nor do I run large enough numbers to sufficiently test the theory, but I thought maybe others here could help shed some light on the subject. Have others noticed the same thing? How about indoors vs. outdoors?

I've looked into this before and could only find 2 which fit the description of purple and potent NLD:

ACE Panama (purple pheno)
Real Seed Company manipur (purple pheno)

The purple panama from ACE was offered for a limited time but in such a small quantity that I doubt you'll find any reports on it. The manipur is still available from RSC but you may need a few packs to find the purp pheno