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Latitudinal Adaptation and Genetic Insights Into the Origins of Cannabis sativa L.​


One major finding of this study is that Cannabis can be divided into three distinct genetic lineages (Figure 1), namely the H, M, and L haplogroups. Interestingly the haplogroups exhibited latitudinal gradients distribution and this distinctive high-middle-low latitude pattern was supported by NETWORK, AMOVA, SAMOVA, and Mantel Tests based on cpDNA data. High-latitude group members (group H) were mainly distributed in regions north of about 40° N and Low-latitude group members (group L) were mainly distributed in areas south of about 30° N, while the middle-latitude group members (group M) were mainly distributed in the zone between about 30° N and 40° N. This current distribution pattern implies an adaptation to distinct latitudinal gradient climatic features. In the present study, the lineage distribution was significantly correlated with latitude and climatic factors. In particular, the day-length has a strong and significant (r2 = 0.6024, p < 0.001) influence on the haplogroup distribution frequencies in each population by RDA analysis and ANOVA partition (Table 3). Furthermore, our field phenotype trial results showed that phenological and morphological traits had a negative, very strong, and significant correlation with latitude of accession origin. For instance, Group H is characterized by short plant height, thin stem, fewer branches, and short life cycle. On the contrary, Group L demonstrates opposite characteristics compared with Group H. This is well-linked to the quantitative (facultative) short-day plant trait of Cannabis. The flowering of Cannabis is normally induced by a required duration of days with a minimum uninterrupted period of darkness (10–12 h for most cultivars) (Small, 2015). Due to the sensitivity to photoperiod, shortening day length can promote Cannabis plant pre-flowering. On the contrary, prolonged day length would delay this crop from shifting from a vegetative stage into a reproductive stage. Indeed, the northernmost distribution of group L is located at about 43° N, which is consistent with previous observations that cultivars from the southern (low latitude) areas have extended vegetative cycles and failed to produce seeds when grown in the North (High latitude areas) (Pahkala et al., 2008; Amaducci et al., 2012; Small, 2015). Our results suggest that photoperiod sensitivity is a potential factor that prevents group L from extending further north. In contrast, the southernmost boundary of group H is 31° N (landrace C224 in Figure 1A). It was surprising to observe that Cannabis lineages still present a distinctive high-middle-low latitude distribution pattern after several thousand years despite human activities. Nevertheless, each of the three haplogroups is not strictly limited to its main corresponding geographical locations: North of 40° N (Haplogroup H), 30 to 40° N (Haplogroup H), and South of 30° N (Haplogroup L). Some haplotypes of the haplogroups were aberrantly growing out of the main distribution latitude range (Figure 1A). For instance, haplotype H3 in cultivar C224, which belongs to Haplogroup H, was found in lower latitude areas around 31° N; while the haplotype H5 in wild population XH and ZL, which belongs to Haplogroup L, was found at a higher latitude area around 43° N. These exceptions may result from the influences of human agricultural activities. Clarke and Merlin (2016) have stated, “Humans and the Cannabis plant share an intimate history spanning millennia.” There might have been much more stringent distribution limits between haplogroups prior to human activities (see below).

Multiregional Domestication Origin of Cannabis Plant​

Each of the three haplogroups (M, L, and H) identified in this study contains haplotypes from both wild populations and cultivars. Within each haplogroup, the wild and domesticated populations shared the most common haplotypes. For instance, haplotype H1, H3, and H4 are the most common haplotypes shared by the wild and domesticated populations in Group H; similar trends are observed for haplotype H9 in Group M, and haplotypes H5 and H10 in the Group L. The fact that the haplotype of the domesticated Cannabis cultivars are not limited to one of the three haplogroups indicates that there are probably multiregional domestication origins for this crop from the three subspecies of Cannabis. Otherwise, the same genotype (haplogroup) should have been detected in different cultivars from high-middle-low latitude regions if the cultivars were domesticated from one single region. AMOVA analyses results also demonstrate that there is no significant difference (Fst = 0.023) between the wild population group and domesticated cultivar group based on cpDNA data. This molecular evidence is in accordance with the multiregional origin of human use of the cannabis plant proposed based on archaeological investigation (Long et al., 2016) and Fossil pollen studies (Mcpartland et al., 2018). Actually, contemporaneous cannabis achenes (5,000–10,200 years ago) have been found in more than ten different archaeological sites located in the two distal parts (both Europe and East Asia) of the continent (Long et al., 2016). Thus the domestication of C. sativa could have occurred in more than three areas in Eurasia.

These accumulating pieces of evidence also hint that a rank below that of species is more reasonable. Thus we suggest that Cannabis should be considered as a monotypic genus with only one species, Cannabis sativa L. Considering that the three distinctive lineages revealed by cpDNA molecular markers also clearly demonstrated obvious geographic regions as stated above, this species can be further divided into three subspecies. Meanwhile, based on nomenclature history of this species, original geographic range, and basic difference in phenotype, we recommend the naming of the three subspecies as: Cannabis sativa subsp. sativa, C. sativa subsp. indica, and C. sativa subsp. ruderalis, corresponding to the Haplogroup M, Haplogroup L, and Haplogroup H, respectively. Small and Cronquist (1976) also pointed out that C. sativa subsp. sativa is typically distributed at areas with latitudes north of 30° N. Our present results that the haplogroup M (i.e., subsp. sativa) is distributed in areas ranging from 27 to 43° N, is largely consistent with the observations by Small and Cronquist.


The Central-Asia-Origin has been the prevalent opinion for C. saltiva (de Candolle, 1885; McPartland, 2018), although some botanists considered Europe as the center of origin (Thiébaut de Berneaud, 1835; Keppen, 1886), or a region spanning Asia and Europe (Herder, 1892; Vavilov, 1926). However, our molecular analyses revealed for the first time that the low latitude region distributed subsp. indica (Haplogroup L) possesses the basal group position within Cannabis, indicating that this species is possibly originated from low latitude areas in the evolutionary history of this plant. This finding does not support the hypothesis of the Central-Asia-origin of Cannabis, but is partly in agreement with the speculation of Linnaeus (1737) that the native range of C. saltiva was India Orientali (encompassing the Indian subcontinent, southeastern Asia, and the Malay Archipelago), Japonia (Japan), and Malabaria (the Malabar coast of southwest India). Indeed, the seeds from wild Cannabis populations in India are remarkably small, unlike those collected from any other area, also indicating that the wild Indian populations may be an ancient wild form (Small, 2015).
 
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H e d g e

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it sounds like you are looking for what is often referred to as 'pre-soviet' afghani. What I have may or may not be pre soviet. But, look at it this way, you can try to get a pre-soviet such as Maple Leaf Indica
Thanks for reminding me about this. I grew it in the 90s and loved it, didn’t realise it was still available.
leafly says it’s 16% thc 1%cbg 0%cbd so it does look like pre ‘79 Afghani plants didn’t contain any cbd.
 

Dime

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Seriously doubt much of anything collected in the last 30 years is clean.
The frustration is that lots of people are holding pure genetics in the fridge and not selling them.

I’m still waiting for Arjan to make those Congo he procured at gunpoint available.
Why doesn’t he? He’s obviously a coke head, just think of all that Bolivian marching powder he could get in exchange for them, it’s weird.
Maybe he’s well aware of the deleterious effect his colour coded seeds have on landraces and he’s waiting for everything to become zombie couchlock hemp before marketing the sterilised triploid version of the Congo he stole?

Just have to try not to get too grumpy about it and focus on preserving what’s left.
Maybe he didn't have the proper connections to find anything better and it's just marketing?
 

DarkStorm.

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How anybody can believe this thing is a true Indica, while posting this shot as representative is beyond me. Just look at the fucking leaves:

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For Boomers, by Boomers, for Money.
It isnt, it looks like nevils mazar is in it allready.....The mazar was a taller type plant that nevil himself collected in person from afghan while the suttuation was very unstable and dangerous. ....what amazes me is they had this purest indica since the 70s yet it was only wen nevil sent his mazar over to them that they came out wuth all the numbered lines with some poper potency....that says it all.....kanga got to try that mazar in pure form and said its one of the most potent indicas he has had.....
 

DarkStorm.

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Seriously doubt much of anything collected in the last 30 years is clean.
The frustration is that lots of people are holding pure genetics in the fridge and not selling them.

I’m still waiting for Arjan to make those Congo he procured at gunpoint available.
Why doesn’t he? He’s obviously a coke head, just think of all that Bolivian marching powder he could get in exchange for them, it’s weird.
Maybe he’s well aware of the deleterious effect his colour coded seeds have on landraces and he’s waiting for everything to become zombie couchlock hemp before marketing the sterilised triploid version of the Congo he stole?

Just have to try not to get too grumpy about it and focus on preserving what’s left.
Im sure they are being funded by cannopy corp to collect those.....a huge corperation that now has many companys under them....probably why you wont see them released...
 

Airloom

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I’m not sure this helps but I was just rummaging around in my notes and recalled reading about maple leaf and black domina genetics somewhere recently…..

I have some Fleur du Mal Sweet Tooth #4 and Durban Thai High Flyer. His Old School Durban is tops on my list. I think I first heard good stuff here from @LostTribe about FDM seeds (I could be mistaken) 🤷‍♂️

You should check out his Ortega.

This “ “
is copied from the link below these 2 paragraphs. Perhaps someone here has run the Ortega

“Sourced from Nevil’s own freezer, circa 1988. This preservation project has been 20 years in the making. An absolute foundational breeding strain that was nearly lost to the mists of time. She’s a fat, greasy bear of an Afghani Kush, from when Kush meant “from the Hindu Kush”. Sire of Black Domina, Legends Ultimate Indica and Maple Leaf Indica. Powerful, full-on indica body stone, with an earthy sweet, rotten banana bouquet. High trichome yield great for hash and pressing.”

“Ortega grows in a classic Christmas tree shape, generally short and squat in overall form with a stout main stem, short internode lengths and upright branching. Leaves are large with wide leaflets in the classic Afghani style. Expect an early harvest indoors from 45-60 days from bloom triggering, and within 10 days of October 10 in most temperate northern latitudes.”




Happy hunting
 
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I like this idea. I need to start looking around now.
check out "landrace gardening" by joseph lofthouse, short read and easy to read. You can get the ebook version for pennies i think. Using that book to help with the baisic principles. Going to focus on "wild type" genes first as domesticated seed will sprout at the wrong times for nature. Domestic seeds sprout too readily and die in the wild. You can "landrace" any crop! I am starting with selected siberian from the real seed company and other "wild type" collections from places with less than ideal weather that i can


Simply start with a genetic base of plants that can survive and produce seed, save seeds from the ones who do well, repeat until the plants are able to survive your particular climate, starting with several varieties and open pollinating is the best way to start. Once your diverse population has begun to adapt to your conditions, you simply add things you like the look of to breed in desired traits
 
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Old Piney

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Sounds like this thread should be named purist Afghani , here is one I got .It’s Afghani #1 x Hindu Kush . The Af#1 is produced from stock I got from the seed bank in 1986 and the Hk I picked up in Amsterdam in1993
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yodasfro

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I’m not sure this helps but I was just rummaging around in my notes and recalled reading about maple leaf and black domina genetics somewhere recently…..

I have some Fleur du Mal Sweet Tooth #4 and Durban Thai High Flyer. His Old School Durban is tops on my list. I think I first heard good stuff here from @LostTribe about FDM seeds (I could be mistaken) 🤷‍♂️

You should check out his Ortega.

This “ “
is copied from the link below these 2 paragraphs. Perhaps someone here has run the Ortega

“Sourced from Nevil’s own freezer, circa 1988. This preservation project has been 20 years in the making. An absolute foundational breeding strain that was nearly lost to the mists of time. She’s a fat, greasy bear of an Afghani Kush, from when Kush meant “from the Hindu Kush”. Sire of Black Domina, Legends Ultimate Indica and Maple Leaf Indica. Powerful, full-on indica body stone, with an earthy sweet, rotten banana bouquet. High trichome yield great for hash and pressing.”

“Ortega grows in a classic Christmas tree shape, generally short and squat in overall form with a stout main stem, short internode lengths and upright branching. Leaves are large with wide leaflets in the classic Afghani style. Expect an early harvest indoors from 45-60 days from bloom triggering, and within 10 days of October 10 in most temperate northern latitudes.”




Happy hunting
I did and got all herms unfortunately.
 
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