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nepalnt21

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No worries bud, I’m just thinking of how the other thread went when he claimed dubi was a pathological lying religious fanatic who thought genocide was a good idea.
haha yes, i am picking up what yer puttin down


I’m super excited about these, don’t usually make a dedicated thread for my poor attempts at gardening but a zero cbd landrace Afghani I thought others might be interested in seeing how it grows and smokes, pretty rare plant to find.
i for one am super interested to watch this unfold. the idea of someone finding relatives to the ancestors of some of my favorite modern strains is exciting, and even new indica expressions not found in commercial bud?

!!!!
 

OleReynard

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Ya I got stuff off him when he first came around.
He showed up at og with his wears
I bought 5 different varietals
Used to be qu at the end not ko, maybe he was tired of being barbaqu
 

H e d g e

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I got real Black Domnia seeds that put out 7-8" Nld leaves, not from Todd thou.
This guy's been around for a long time I remember when i first saw him in High Times.
So ya he's been at it for well over 40 years
Can’t remember where I read it but one of the seed sellers from over there was saying that broad leaves being the only Afghanis was a western concept and there’s always been a mix of leaf shapes in that area.
 

OleReynard

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Took him months to get here, thought he had to make them first.
Most were dead, The Bahlki was all good thou.
Pitty, I got hindu kush, chitrali kush, balhlki, kholm and 1 other
Then couldn't find away to get in touch with him.
Stuff came from India
 
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OleReynard

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Khash was the other one, i ordered some and Rocketboy ordered some all bad.
Im sorry not all the khash werent bad had 1 male which i did breed Lashkar Gah and a Bahlki too.
I believe Holy Angel ordered from him also
 

Genghis Kush.

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which lies, please
Learn to read, I already posted it.
haha yes, i am picking up what yer puttin down



i for one am super interested to watch this unfold. the idea of someone finding relatives to the ancestors of some of my favorite modern strains is exciting, and even new indica expressions not found in commercial bud?

!!!!
yeah, Hedge is low IQ. Can’t help him
No worries bud, I’m just thinking of how the other thread went when he claimed dubi was a pathological lying religious fanatic who thought genocide was a good idea.

I’m super excited about these, don’t usually make a dedicated thread for my poor attempts at gardening but a zero cbd landrace Afghani I thought others might be interested in seeing how it grows and smokes, pretty rare plant to find.
im trying to help you. But you jst don’t get it
Dubis outrage’s statement about nationalism and religious fascism are in the THH thread .
his lies about what he sells are all over the internet.
he is known throughout the forums and in US as a deceptive person.
But he pays the bills here and there are a lot of hero worship types on icmag.

i grew Todd’s haze and it was done in 14 weeks and was short and kinda wide leaves for a pure tropical sativa .

i never said he was as liar , i said that he uses other peoples lies to market his seeds.
i gave an example of that . magically after 40 years in an ancient fridge a strain with a sellable name suddenly appears?

in the future I will keep my mouth shut and just let you all be played by marketing strategies
 
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CharlesU Farley

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i never said he was as liar , i said that he uses other peoples lies to market his seeds.
i gave an example of that . magically after 40 years in an ancient fridge a strain with a sellable name suddenly appears?
You're skepticism is well founded and on the same level as mine. Whereas I respect NLSG for the foundational work he did with NL, like all of us old dinosaurs, he's getting up an age and memory is no doubt an issue. So he could probably use a little extra cash, didn't want to have to deal with newbie growing questions and forum bullshit, so he figured the best way would be to let somebody else do the marketing and give him a cut of the sales.

Enter Todd and Matt.

in the future I will keep my mouth shut and just let you all be played by marketing strategies
That's pretty much where we are now... marketing and salesmanship over quality, substance and most importantly, the amount of _work_ involved to actually create something unique.
 

nepalnt21

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i know i'm not one to talk, but i was really hoping this thread would be ALL about the weed. you guys can't stop making shit up about todd in EVERY thread about his seeds.


he's getting up an age and memory is no doubt an issue. So he could probably use a little extra cash, didn't want to have to deal with newbie growing questions and forum bullshit, so he figured the best way would be to let somebody else do the marketing and give him a cut of the sales.
that's pretty self- disparaging, wouldn't you say? not all old people are greedy and dishonest is my point.


Learn to read, I already posted it.
it sorta goes without saying that there should be a good argument or evidence involved and i KNOW you didn't post that on any thread i've been on with you, and so far (unless i'm missing something) you ignored my p.m. asking for good evidence or a compelling argument.

can we either please post GOOD evidence or otherwise get back to the weed?
 
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Genghis Kush.

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i know i'm not one to talk, but i was really hoping this thread would be ALL about the weed. you guys can't stop making shit up about todd in EVERY thread about his seeds.



that's pretty self- disparaging, wouldn't you say? not all old people are greedy and dishonest is my point.



it sorta goes without saying that there should be a good argument or evidence involved and i KNOW you didn't post that on any thread i've been on with you, and so far (unless i'm missing something) you ignored my p.m. asking for good evidence or a compelling argument.

can we either please post GOOD evidence or otherwise get back to the weed?
yes , I ignored you.
you are not entitled to my time.
now move along and find someone else to cry to
 

Hempy McNoodle

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I've recently heard that the Afghanistan, Pakistan area used to have very much variety, including cerebral strains. Now it is more known for couch-lock hash plants that we are all too familiar with, and popularly known as indica. I know nothing about that history, but I think Kush might have been considered more cerebral. I guess.
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I do know that I grew a plant in the early 80s that I considered old school pure Afghani. It looked exactly like a picture that was published in a book with a name something like Plants of the Gods, by Richard Evans Schultes, I think. The picture of the plant came from Kandahar.

Here is the plant I grew. It wasn´t a keeper for me though I wished I had preserved it. At that time I wasn´t aware that hybridization was going to endager the incredible variety that used to exist.

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I was so ignorant to pinch the top off of that plant. It prevented me from seeing it in it's natural state. Quite a specimen anyway. Very skunky.
I keep a line that is said to have come from Kandahar in the late 70s -early 80s. Kandahar is where Schultz discovered and described Cannabis indica as a distinct subspecies from sativa. My line comes from Underground seed collective and is no longer available commercially. It is truly great weed! Can hardly wait to grow it again!
 
Good morning genghis :)
I think it was originally collected in Afghanistan, looks like it may be genuine.
Are you trying to avoid other afghan landraces that might have cbd? Been seeing your posts all over, i am pretty intrigued and interested about what you have to say. I saw a comment about skunk being a bioweapon to dilute the genes of cannabis and i sort of see what you mean, as someone who is passionate about landraces, you know, the way skunk has been used to destroy the genetic diversity of cultivated cannabis is really there to see. But the point i suppose i am getting at is are you only focusing on heirlooms that have been taken out of places like Afghanistan, pre-hybrid and hemp industry-era and bred in isolation? Would the notion of taking various afghan landraces, allowing cross pollination and selecting for the zero cbd traits until it breeds true be a notion you would entertain? I can see why you would want to find some seeds that are 'clean' and the work is already done,
What even makes a indica at this point?
Effect,leaf width,flower time,taste,bud structure?
Pics may be helpful.
Id say plants that are genetically those of hashplant origin, so not tropical sativas or multipurpose hemp/food/resin domesticates from the himalyas, but genetically speaking, plants that were historically domesticated in the middle east and dry northern regions of the world. I am sure many indica type plants have a varying spectrum of the factors you mentioned, i have heard of old school indicas not having extremely wide leafs all of the time etc
 

H e d g e

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I keep a line that is said to have come from Kandahar in the late 70s -early 80s. Kandahar is where Schultz discovered and described Cannabis indica as a distinct subspecies from sativa. My line comes from Underground seed collective and is no longer available commercially. It is truly great weed! Can hardly wait to grow it again!
Happy Hogmanay! Have you ever tested your plants for cbd? I miss the effects of Afghani but had given up on finding pure seeds so got quite excited about this one, hopefully it’s uncontaminated and still has the effects that I miss.
 
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H e d g e

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Are you trying to avoid other afghan landraces that might have cbd? Been seeing your posts all over, i am pretty intrigued and interested about what you have to say. I saw a comment about skunk being a bioweapon to dilute the genes of cannabis and i sort of see what you mean, as someone who is passionate about landraces, you know, the way skunk has been used to destroy the genetic diversity of cultivated cannabis is really there to see. But the point i suppose i am getting at is are you only focusing on heirlooms that have been taken out of places like Afghanistan, pre-hybrid and hemp industry-era and bred in isolation? Would the notion of taking various afghan landraces, allowing cross pollination and selecting for the zero cbd traits until it breeds true be a notion you would entertain? I can see why you would want to find some seeds that are 'clean' and the work is already done,

Id say plants that are genetically those of hashplant origin, so not tropical sativas or multipurpose hemp/food/resin domesticates from the himalyas, but genetically speaking, plants that were historically domesticated in the middle east and dry northern regions of the world. I am sure many indica type plants have a varying spectrum of the factors you mentioned, i have heard of old school indicas not having extremely wide leafs all of the time etc
I’ve been reliant on cannabis for medicinal reasons most of my life but sadly the modern skunk hybrids don’t work for me so I look for anything unrelated to it, not just from Afghanistan.
I’m not sure the antagonist/tolerance effects of cbd are the only issue with it and worry that industrial hemp has the same deleterious effect on cannabinoid diversity as skunk.
Cbd has accumulative antagonistic effects even in low doses and I’m not sure it’s possible to select out completely, certainly not with my limited facilities so I specifically look for plants that are unrelated to skunk or industrial hemp, they’re not easy to find.
I don’t remember describing skunk as a ‘bio weapon’ but I do believe it was a Trojan horse.
 
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Can’t remember where I read it but one of the seed sellers from over there was saying that broad leaves being the only Afghanis was a western concept and there’s always been a mix of leaf shapes in that area.
Alot of the modern afghan landraces are also not typically as broad leafleted as some would assume, the mazar i sharif landrace is supposed to resemble a hybrid of a sativa and indica so i have heard, big 3-4 meter plants that grows in skinnier leafs as it matures
I’ve been reliant on cannabis for medicinal reasons most of my life but sadly the modern skunk hybrids don’t work for me so I look for anything unrelated to it, not just from Afghanistan.
I’m not sure the antagonist/tolerance effects of cbd are the only issue with it and worry that industrial hemp has the same deleterious effect on cannabinoid diversity as skunk.
Cbd has accumulative antagonistic effects even in low doses and I’m not sure it’s possible to select out completely so I specifically look for plants that are unrelated to skunk or industrial hemp, they’re not easy to find.
I don’t remember describing skunk as a ‘bio weapon’ but I do believe it was a Trojan horse.
I mean any sort of genetic trojan horse is a kind of bioweapon in my opinion, sorry i paraphrase alot. Bioweapon is kind of how i regard hemp and skunk. You have any more plants that are supposedly pristine you could point me in the direction of?
 

H e d g e

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Alot of the modern afghan landraces are also not typically as broad leafleted as some would assume, the mazar i sharif landrace is supposed to resemble a hybrid of a sativa and indica so i have heard, big 3-4 meter plants that grows in skinnier leafs as it matures

I mean any sort of genetic trojan horse is a kind of bioweapon in my opinion, sorry i paraphrase alot. Bioweapon is kind of how i regard hemp and skunk. You have any more plants that are supposedly pristine you could point me in the direction of?
The only other plants I found that are unrelated to skunk or hemp are ot1 haze and the Thai from ace.
I have lots of the other ace stuff and do find plants that I like but wouldn’t make seeds with them, dubi really knows what he’s doing, has more space than me, access to testing ect. I suspect if I tried to reproduce them without progeny testing they’d pretty soon not be as good, better to clone the ones you like.
Pretty sure you could continue open pollinating the Thai indefinitely and never find a dud, hoping for the same with this Afghani.
 
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The only other plants I found that are unrelated to skunk or hemp are ot1 haze and the Thai from ace.
I have lots of the other ace stuff and do find plants that I like but wouldn’t make seeds with them, dubi really knows what he’s doing, has more space than me, access to testing ect. I suspect if I tried to reproduce them without progeny testing they’d pretty soon not be as good, better to clone the ones you like.
Pretty sure you could continue open pollinating the Thai indefinitely and never find a dud.
I see. You had a look at the real seed company aswell i am assuming? ive been buying their seeds for years, was hoping that alot of them would at least be uncrossed with skunk and og and all of those. hemp id imagine there are lots of hybrids of on there...not including the multipurpose type stuff
 

H e d g e

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I see. You had a look at the real seed company aswell i am assuming? ive been buying their seeds for years, was hoping that alot of them would at least be uncrossed with skunk and og and all of those. hemp id imagine there are lots of hybrids of on there...not including the multipurpose type stuff
Seriously doubt much of anything collected in the last 30 years is clean.
The frustration is that lots of people are holding pure genetics in the fridge and not selling them.

I’m still waiting for Arjan to make those Congo he procured at gunpoint available.
Why doesn’t he? He’s obviously a coke head, just think of all that Bolivian marching powder he could get in exchange for them, it’s weird.
Maybe he’s well aware of the deleterious effect his colour coded seeds have on landraces and he’s waiting for everything to become zombie couchlock hemp before marketing the sterilised triploid version of the Congo he stole?

Just have to try not to get too grumpy about it and focus on preserving what’s left.
 
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