Purest indica

[H e d g e]

I did and got all herms unfortunately.

Do you mean the Ortega? I was literally about to buy them, saw this just in time, thanks for the tip.

I've got these RSC seeds to grow. Any good ? View attachment 19128860

Had my eye on these for a while, please do report back how you get on with them. Might’ve been collected too late to be type one.

 

[yodasfro]

You mean the Ortega? I was literally about to pay them, saw this just in time, thanks for the tip.


Had my eye on these for a while, please do report back how you get on with them.

Yes sir no go along with a few others from there. Sad I had high hopes. Cloning an african queen currently hoping it doesn't suffer the same fate. I have grown the purest indica I really like it. However it too can herm if you don't clean up the lower branches.

 

[H e d g e]

check out "landrace gardening" by joseph lofthouse, short read and easy to read. You can get the ebook version for pennies i think. Using that book to help with the baisic principles. Going to focus on "wild type" genes first as domesticated seed will sprout at the wrong times for nature. Domestic seeds sprout too readily and die in the wild. You can "landrace" any crop! I am starting with selected siberian from the real seed company and other "wild type" collections from places with less than ideal weather that i can


Simply start with a genetic base of plants that can survive and produce seed, save seeds from the ones who do well, repeat until the plants are able to survive your particular climate, starting with several varieties and open pollinating is the best way to start. Once your diverse population has begun to adapt to your conditions, you simply add things you like the look of to breed in desired traits

I think you’ll end up with cbd dominant plants unless you start with something that doesn’t contain it or actively select away from it every generation.
Pipeline has a little patch he’s been using for about 10 years and he gets volunteers in spring, might be possible to select for dormancy and self dispersal in a cultivated type one if you keep growing it in the same place long enough.

Eastern Manipur Burma Border. Regular Seeds. ACE Seeds

POTENT PURE SATIVA LANDRACE FROM MANIPUR, OF RESINOUS AND BEAUTIFUL BLUE FLOWERS

www.aceseeds.org

This one might be a good place to start because they grow it over winter as well as their main summer crop, ‘in the winter temperatures lurk around 10-15°C’, there’s no lab testing for it but it’s possibly not contaminated with hemp or skunk judging by the reported effects and remote location.

I might try this naturalising idea with an f1 between it and purest indica, initially selecting for short flowering botrytis resistant plants. No hemp/cbd pollen contamination to worry about here, just cold wet horrible weather and dog walkers.

If you live in a place where cbd plants don’t grow it’s a unique opportunity to naturalise a type one, places where industrial hemp is produced this wouldn’t be possible.
I think it would be irresponsible to naturalise something that produces cbd, we all make our own choices though, you can’t change other peoples behaviour other than pulling up any hemp you find near your plot.

 

[FilthyDank'Wasteman'Fabul]

I think you’ll end up with cbd dominant plants unless you start with something that doesn’t contain it or actively select away from it every generation.
Pipeline has a little patch he’s been using for about 10 years and he gets volunteers in spring, might be possible to select for dormancy and self dispersal in a cultivated type one if you keep growing it in the same place long enough.

Eastern Manipur Burma Border. Regular Seeds. ACE Seeds

POTENT PURE SATIVA LANDRACE FROM MANIPUR, OF RESINOUS AND BEAUTIFUL BLUE FLOWERS

www.aceseeds.org

This one might be a good place to start because they grow it over winter as well as their main summer crop, ‘in the winter temperatures lurk around 10-15°C’, there’s no lab testing for it but it’s possibly not contaminated with hemp or skunk judging by the reported effects and remote location.

I might try this naturalising idea with an f1 between it and purest indica, initially selecting for short flowering botrytis resistant plants. No hemp/cbd pollen contamination to worry about here, just cold wet horrible weather and dog walkers.

If you live in a place where cbd plants don’t grow it’s a unique opportunity to naturalise a type one, places where industrial hemp is produced this wouldn’t be possible.
I think it would be irresponsible to naturalise something that produces cbd, we all make our own choices though, you can’t change other peoples behaviour other than pulling up any hemp you find near your plot.

At this point, any genetic base will do to start off. I think that cbd has its place you know? The idea is to do individual selection for desired traits and then breed in genetics i like, and honestly i dont hate cbd, its probably going to be a part of the genome indefinitely, imdavidual selection to erase cbd is probably what people will have to do in the future. You are probably right on the money about it being used as genetic pollution, but i dont see why we cant use those genes anyway, if there is no actual hemp cultivation nearby, especially considering wild hemp has been found in my lands as it is already! Would be cool to have plants that dont have the 'pollution' but me personally, if the plants have any medicinal effects and make folks lifes easier then thats all that matters really.

Honestly you never get what you want from crops unless you actively select for what you want anyway, breeding out the actual cbd could be done in small populations, after all, they bred out all the other active cannabinoids from hemp just fine. I think taking plants with good aptitude and selecting away from cbd may be something you have to consider in the future if type one plants become too rare. Or maybe, just maybe, producing so many type 1s, you make a dent somewhere...That would be cool.

Also il be honest, attempting to naturalise anything is somewhat irresponsible, it could really screw things up for the local ecosystems, thankfully hemp itself, extremely rare, but it is naturalised here in some of the less habited areas, so has a low chance of being invasive really, cannabis likes areas humans have come through and destroyed so i figure my plants will probably just do the same. But if i saw wild hemp out where i live, it is so rare that i would document it, and probably save seeds, as any plant that can make it unheeded by us is a good one to add to a landrace in my opinion. The place i live used to make many of the ships and rope for the age of sail, so they are remnants from back then. When i hear of any type of cannabis plant living out here for the past 200 years without human intervention, its very tantalising for me! On the other hand they would be out far away from where i am trying to get down

Going back to it, i still find the conclusions you have drawn to be very interesting and still am on your side, i really appreciate the suggestion for that plant there and desperately need more so please dont think i am being unappreciative I think you should 100% do some crossing and selection yourself, let your environment do the selection, save seeds from the survivors and repeat the process until you have resilient members that make it to harvest, then you can select for and breed the traits you like. "Landrace gardening" on youtube you can get the baisic principles really quick, but the book is also worth it, very cheap.

 

[H e d g e]

breeding out the actual cbd could be done in small populations, after all, they bred out all the other active cannabinoids from hemp just fine

I don’t think the other cannabinoids were bred out of hemp, I think there’s deleterious genes in industrial hemp that reduce cannabinoid diversity in every generation, same with skunk only hemp favours cbd and skunk prefers delta9 so you end up with just those two cannabinoids or one of those two if you select out the other.

The place i live used to make two thirds of the ships and rope for the age of sail, so they are remnants from back then

The sediment in the retting pools they used to process the plants that made that rope and canvas (which is Dutch for cannabis) contains lots of cbn, a byproduct of degraded thc, it does not contain any cbd.

No landrace collected before’79 contains any cbd, hemp was just another word for cannabis until a distinction was fabricated to divide the two based on their thc content.

I like what you’re doing and think you are right, it’s probably too late to save landrace type 1 plants outside of a controlled environment so helping to naturalise descendants of industrial hemp or skunk probably isn’t making the situation any worse than it already is, but in my experience if you’re using it medicinally you need landrace type 1 plants, the entourage effect isn’t just about terpenes, delta9 and cbd.

 

[mr.pistil]

Todds a nice guy. I don't know many people that go out of their way to make sure people have acess to information. I'd recommend his gear. I haven't grown his truest indica, but its worth a shot!

I’ll second this. Just harvested one of his Skunk #1s. Still drying so I haven’t tested it yet. Easy to grow, etc. I only had space for one plant, so not sure if its representative of type - mine is sweet on the nose. No “skunk” yet.

 

[OleReynard]

Todds a nice guy. I don't know many people that go out of their way to make sure people have acess to information. I'd recommend his gear. I haven't grown his truest indica, but its worth a shot!

I'll second that

 

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[RobFromTX]

It’s the muscle relaxing pain relief body effects I’m looking for in this one, I find the modern varieties have lost this and just have a sort of zombie knock out effect on me.

I was reading an article a few years back that claimed when the THC levels reach a high enough level then it starts effecting the plant terpenes. Not sure how much truth there is to that but maybe it explains why so many jacked up hybrids are only good for catching a buzz. I know i find sativas to be far better at treating my aches and pains, if only temporarily. I just use indicas for x-files n chill.

 

[H e d g e]

I was reading an article a few years back that claimed when the THC levels reach a high enough level then it starts effecting the plant terpenes. Not sure how much truth there is to that but maybe it explains why so many jacked up hybrids are only good for catching a buzz. I know i find sativas to be far better at treating my aches and pains, if only temporarily. I just use for x-files n chill.

I think its the entourage effect of all the different types of thc, thcp ect. that makes good weed medicinal.
Afghani plants used to be very good medicinally but the plants people think of here as indica these days like stardog just have delta9, all the other types of thc have been lost so you just get the mind numbing zombie delta9 effects, not so much the blissful stress relief muscle relaxing effects it once had.
Mad thing is that so many people like the zombie effect, similar to being drunk I guess.

 

[RobFromTX]

Mad thing is that so many people like the zombie effect, similar to being drunk I guess.

Especially younger folks like generation z. They don't want medicinal quality, just the stoned effects.
Thats what makes concentrates so popular now. My daughter and her friends don't even smoke flower, just shatter and vape pens. Which is fine with me because i don't have to share