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promix hp or fox farm ocean forest for soil?
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Delta Force
promix all the way.........OF is hot stuff IMO. I only add some guanos and perlite if anything and get great results. The added perlite is perfect and some are puttin in some coco for airyness and to avoid the "peat cake" effect you can get with it sometimes. Also helps lighten it up for roots to explode.
Tactical Farmer
Member
They are really alot different - not really in the same "class".
Promix is just peat with a few minor things in it depending what one you get.
Ocean Forest is more complete w/ added dry ferts - ewc - perlite - lime.
The Promix blend will take some tweeking to get right & the OF will be pretty much ready to go.
* You could make your own OF with the Promix by simply adding Marine Cuisine - EWC - Big & Chunky perlite - D lime.
Promix is just peat with a few minor things in it depending what one you get.
Ocean Forest is more complete w/ added dry ferts - ewc - perlite - lime.
The Promix blend will take some tweeking to get right & the OF will be pretty much ready to go.
* You could make your own OF with the Promix by simply adding Marine Cuisine - EWC - Big & Chunky perlite - D lime.
greenisgold
Member
Both. I mix the 2 along with happy frog. My mix is about 50 percent pro, 20 perlite, and the rest a mix of OF, HF and an added bag of EWC.
100% vote to promix man!!!! I did my first grow with FFOF and it really gave me bad deficiencies by the time I got into flower. I think I may have gotten a bad batch though because everyone else on here seems to like it so much.
But for me Promix or even Sunshine mix work killer!!! Its so easy because like sleepy said YOU are in control of everything, so what you put in is what you get out.. and when what you put in is a lot of love and some organic nutes..... MMMMMMMMM what you get out is some CHRONIC!!!!
Hope it works out for you either way!!!
-N.Kron
But for me Promix or even Sunshine mix work killer!!! Its so easy because like sleepy said YOU are in control of everything, so what you put in is what you get out.. and when what you put in is a lot of love and some organic nutes..... MMMMMMMMM what you get out is some CHRONIC!!!!
Hope it works out for you either way!!!
-N.Kron
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vindiesel said:
Your mix is a little light in Potassium....blood and bone are not known for micronutes.....
One of the absolutely effective methods of using promix is by using it with a complete fert like pure blend....
If someone asked which mix to use.... the one you posted or one using a complete fert (any of a few will do) I would without hesitation suggest the use of a complete fert.....
By the way Bog popularized the walmart soil with blood and bone....
However it caused lots of problems with micros and potassium defs....
You see bog used pure blend ferts.... high in potassium....
while others using the mix did not....and they had the issues......
It was a very common problem on OG......
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Personally I have thought his mix was overly complicated....
I think that its good that largely his mix has lost favor....
Let me tell you what I think you should use....
Promix...perlite and dolomitic lime....
Pure blend pro grow...and bloom....
calmag....
Superthrives active ingredient is a rooting hormone(naa)....so it can be use at transplants....
Using earth juice bloom late makes some sense instead of pure blend bloom.....
I think that its good that largely his mix has lost favor....
Let me tell you what I think you should use....
Promix...perlite and dolomitic lime....
Pure blend pro grow...and bloom....
calmag....
Superthrives active ingredient is a rooting hormone(naa)....so it can be use at transplants....
Using earth juice bloom late makes some sense instead of pure blend bloom.....
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Delta Force
Yup I like this advice.......some very respected growers around here use nothing but pro with added perlite. Pro mix has lime in it and I get good runoff tests right to the end but I do ph my nutes......some dont.Dr Hooks said:
PBP is designed as a complete nute regimen so a little cal mag added for cannabis big appetite for it and you will see good results. I am tryin to simplify my regimen for larger scale ops and plan on running Kromes style.
Promix added perlite
Flora nova nutes
Koolbloom at week 4ish(day 30-35)
Lots of skill( hard to get but doable)
Thats it........cant argue with his results either. FN and PBP are designed as complete nutes so stand alone they should do great. I will still tinker with organics and my funky addatives for personal stuff and experimentation but for ease of larger stuff I wanna run with this.
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Hey delta...good post ....
I can tell you get it....
I notice quite clearly many very good growers are going simple....
3 of the major camps are...
pure blend
flora nova
flora using 2 parts...
Add some cal mag....
some kool bloom...(liquid...the powder has too much p imo)
great results....
I can tell you get it....
I notice quite clearly many very good growers are going simple....
3 of the major camps are...
pure blend
flora nova
flora using 2 parts...
Add some cal mag....
some kool bloom...(liquid...the powder has too much p imo)
great results....
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Delta Force
Yeah..........i use the powder and so does krome but I think I am with you maybe. Just cant compare yet ya know. JoeShmoe(another damn fine grower) loved the hammerhead pk 9/18 and once again cant argue with results. I may do a base nute plus dif bloom booster test. I think I wanna do a control with just base nute of FN, base+koolbloom(powder), base+a pk 9/18 product, base plus AN big bud powder. Never used the liquid so maybe I'll get rid of the AN BB and do the liquid to powder test.Dr Hooks said:
I am a believer in a kick in the ass for flowering and boosting those pk levels but unless I see the dif besides going on just my experience I wont really know what works best for me. I heard from Joe that Hammerhead got discontinued so I may look for a dif 9/18 product. Something bout the ratios and its earlier use in flower that may be its biggest advantage but I aint no botanist so I'll tinker and find out my way. Good thread!
RamCTD1027
Member
VERY VERY informative thread here. I am in the process of starting some seeds which I plan to clone and make some bonsai mums out of. At first, I planned to use FFOF for the mothers, but now I am having second thoughts. It seems as though promix with some perlite would be the better way to go. I am looking for simplicity here, so I assume Flora Nova or PBP would also be the way to go. What do you guys think? As far as a feeding schedule, how often would you guys recommend feeding the mums that are in the promix/perlite??
Thanks for the help.
Ram
Thanks for the help.
Ram
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Here is one of my moms....
Its in a 1 gallon container... its currently about 8 inches above the soil... its in need of a haircut..... lighting is a floro shoplight.... along with a couple other moms and my cloners.....
the plant was trained horizontal with the soil.... the main stem is at the surface of the container....
I use 2 teaspoons per gallon grow and 1 teaspoon liquid karma.....
every watering....
My moms seem very happy at that level....
Its in a 1 gallon container... its currently about 8 inches above the soil... its in need of a haircut..... lighting is a floro shoplight.... along with a couple other moms and my cloners.....
the plant was trained horizontal with the soil.... the main stem is at the surface of the container....
I use 2 teaspoons per gallon grow and 1 teaspoon liquid karma.....
every watering....
My moms seem very happy at that level....
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RamCTD1027 said:
Flora nova vs flora series....
While the flora nova method ie lucas is the most simple method....
I think the flora 2 part using the micro and bloom formulas offer some advantages....
One important difference using flora is that the micro has considerable N....
in the last couple weeks before the flush the micro can be discontinued.... just using the flower formula....
once the flowers are manufactured by the plant then they have to mature....
during this time the micros are not needed.... and you can begin to reduce N....
I should point out of course that the same philosophy can be done using nova....
for 2 weeks prior to the flush switch to flora bloom..... this again would reduce N and micros when they are not really needed by the plant...
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Hooks, are you saying you'd use FN grow till two weeks before the flush then switch to FN bloom as opposed to FNB at light flip?
Also, I'm having a hard time believing your guys' pH isn't to low without added dolo to the hp and without pH upping the FN.
Whenever I measure, both the hp and FN, together or each individually has too low a pH and need to be upped with either 1 TBSP dolo and/or pH up in solution if using ro. With my hard water I can get away with not pH upping in solution but would if I used straight RO.
Also, I'm having a hard time believing your guys' pH isn't to low without added dolo to the hp and without pH upping the FN.
Whenever I measure, both the hp and FN, together or each individually has too low a pH and need to be upped with either 1 TBSP dolo and/or pH up in solution if using ro. With my hard water I can get away with not pH upping in solution but would if I used straight RO.
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Lucas is an advocate of using fn bloom thru the whole grow..... FN lucas...
Im saying 2 weeks before the flush you can switch to flora.... the 3 part series.... bloom only
The original lucas formula was using the flora series but using only the micro and the bloom...
Lucas fairly recently was using Nova... only the fn bloom.....
Im saying in either case... whether you are using nova or the 2 part flora that an option would be to use the flora bloom only....
the flora bloom doesnt have N nor the micronutes from the micro..... or the N and micros from the FN bloom....
I do in fact use dolomitic lime....
Im saying 2 weeks before the flush you can switch to flora.... the 3 part series.... bloom only
The original lucas formula was using the flora series but using only the micro and the bloom...
Lucas fairly recently was using Nova... only the fn bloom.....
Im saying in either case... whether you are using nova or the 2 part flora that an option would be to use the flora bloom only....
the flora bloom doesnt have N nor the micronutes from the micro..... or the N and micros from the FN bloom....
I do in fact use dolomitic lime....
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Tactical Farmer
Member
Hey Vin,
If you decide to add any dry ferts ahead of time - you might want to consider:
Fox Farm - Piece of Mind
Bone Meal
Blood Meal
Feather Meal
Fish Meal
Fish Bone Meal
Hydrolyzed Fish
Alfalfa Meal
Kelp Meal
Bat Guano
Gypsum
Rock Phosphate
Sulfate of Potash Magnesia
Humic Acid (derived from Leonardite)
Mycorrhizae Fungi X15
Bacterial Fungi X5
And Or:
Marine Cuisine
Cottonsead Meal
Blood Meal
EWC
Fish Meal
Shrimp Meal
Crab Meal
Bat Guano
Seabird Guano
Kelp Meal
Urea
Ammonium Sulphate
Treble Phosphate
Potassium Sulphate
Potassium Chloride
Ferrous Sulphate
Iron Sucrate
Manganese Sucrate
Fox Farm sells the Marine Cuisine on there site & the contents are the same stuff thats in the Ocean Forest. Plus they are also loaded with Cal - Mag & mirco nutrients.
* Im currently using a blend of both of them with great results
If you decide to add any dry ferts ahead of time - you might want to consider:
Fox Farm - Piece of Mind
Bone Meal
Blood Meal
Feather Meal
Fish Meal
Fish Bone Meal
Hydrolyzed Fish
Alfalfa Meal
Kelp Meal
Bat Guano
Gypsum
Rock Phosphate
Sulfate of Potash Magnesia
Humic Acid (derived from Leonardite)
Mycorrhizae Fungi X15
Bacterial Fungi X5
And Or:
Marine Cuisine
Cottonsead Meal
Blood Meal
EWC
Fish Meal
Shrimp Meal
Crab Meal
Bat Guano
Seabird Guano
Kelp Meal
Urea
Ammonium Sulphate
Treble Phosphate
Potassium Sulphate
Potassium Chloride
Ferrous Sulphate
Iron Sucrate
Manganese Sucrate
Fox Farm sells the Marine Cuisine on there site & the contents are the same stuff thats in the Ocean Forest. Plus they are also loaded with Cal - Mag & mirco nutrients.
* Im currently using a blend of both of them with great results
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Delta Force
i def know that the 3 part series(if using that) has alot of N in the micro making the grow not necessary. I dont like it due to the lack of simplicity with ratios and such changing with the same components. Just never liked it or the fact they were so chemy colored looking.
I've used PBP for yrs............grow for grow bloom for bloom.......I used to go right to bloom on flip but learned to mix the two for the 1st two weeks to help with N for the stretch. Sometimes just week one is full bloom nute then bloom nutes there after. Still tweaking and like I said prob switching if the FN if the buds are as good as the ones with the PBP. Grow.......transition......bloom.......chop simple as I can make it and even then I still have a root exelurator and bloom booster too as of now atleast......gotta get testing lol
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I've used PBP for yrs............grow for grow bloom for bloom.......I used to go right to bloom on flip but learned to mix the two for the 1st two weeks to help with N for the stretch. Sometimes just week one is full bloom nute then bloom nutes there after. Still tweaking and like I said prob switching if the FN if the buds are as good as the ones with the PBP. Grow.......transition......bloom.......chop simple as I can make it and even then I still have a root exelurator and bloom booster too as of now atleast......gotta get testing lol
Some kyle kushman's straw cough day 28
