Promis insecticide for root aphids

[DoubleDDsNuggs]

I tried searching google for people using Promis insecticide for root aphids and can't find anything. Promis is a nicotine based insecticide which says it works for aphids and it is systemic as well. Has anyone used this for root aphids as I am not ready to wear a respirator to apply anything chemical as this is in a living soil 3x3 bed with worms (which may be dead since I haven't seen any). I have also read about Met 52 as a biological agent when it is applied on rice in the soil. Promis is available at the store today however while I would have to order the Met. Thanks for any advice!

 

[Harlequeen]

Well after much of a shit show I'm applying promise today. Can let you know what happens. I will say that it should be used after all other attempts are exhausted. Neonicitonoids are intense and are pretty much in your soil at harvest and beyond, anywhere from 40-almost 1000 days depending on the neonic you are using. Only do a soil drench, and I would recommend a respirator no matter what you do when applying chemicals. It is a safe precaution and they aren't that expensive. I got mine for $30. I would imagine pretty much all of the biological life in the soil will be dead upon application of this stuff. I'm debating just culling my shit but this is now more of a science experiment than anything else.
I tried a dunk with homemade nukem which totally took the majority of my population out (which was visibly crawling around my soil in large numbers).
I used the following:
2 g citric acid
8/10 g potassium sorbate (you can get both of these at any diy brewery store)
394 g yeast (i used active dry yeast ... still researching what would be the best yeast to use)
This is all per 1 gallon of water, and I scaled it to a tubs worth. Poured 110* water in the tub and mixed this solution in it. Dunked my clones and my larger plants in for 15 minutes at a time. Then I put ductape around the edge for any other fuckers that would crawl up who still exist, which is how i've seen one crawling. Really it has seemed to help a lot but i'm also dealing with broad mites so i've got other issues going on.
The plants seemed to not be too shocked from the dunk, but I do see some purpling of the leaves so i wonder if some cellular damage happened during this process.
If you haven't already tried something I can keep you posted on the Promise, would also be interested in hearing your experience if you try something. I got hit really hard.

 

[COgrowerco]

Never heard of Promis, but, I will follow your post to see how it works. I have experience with aphids but not this product. Interested to see how it works.

 

[Harlequeen]

Well here I am five days later after a drench of promise and foliar of avid five days ago and today. I followed up my drench a couple days after with a water of beneficial mycorhyzae, kelp, molasses and some biogro/bioheaven as well as a foliar of kelp. Things seem to be looking up. I havent seen a single root aphid since ... so that is a good sign. The new growth on my plants is looking a lot healthier and im not really seeing any signs of the claw deformation on leaves. The ra may be ddefeaed at last but I dont want to talk too soon. Hate to admit it but this still stuff may have kicked them. DoubleDDsNuggs did you ever end up trying it?

 

[Mo. G]

Well here I am five days later after a drench of promise and foliar of avid five days ago and today. I followed up my drench a couple days after with a water of beneficial mycorhyzae, kelp, molasses and some biogro/bioheaven as well as a foliar of kelp. Things seem to be looking up. I havent seen a single root aphid since ... so that is a good sign. The new growth on my plants is looking a lot healthier and im not really seeing any signs of the claw deformation on leaves. The ra may be ddefeaed at last but I dont want to talk too soon. Hate to admit it but this still stuff may have kicked them. DoubleDDsNuggs did you ever end up trying it?

If you're still active, plese update with the final outcome.

 

[Granger2]

Promis or Promise?

 

[buzzmobile]

Promis or Promise?

Promis

Active ingredient is .235% imidacloprid.

 

[unregistered190]

Hadn’t heard of this before....thanks. In a battle with them right now and was thinking of starting a thread detailing my struggle and how I am trying to rid of them.

 

[Hookahhead]

I recently had the same experience with RAs. I’m an organic grower in the tropics. I have access to Neem trees, Metarhizium anisopliae,Beauveria bassiana, and some local lesser known plant extracts. Nothing has the knockdown power I needed to get ahead of the problem. The RAs were destroying my plants, growth pretty much stopped and they looked sicker by the day. Finally, after some moral back and forth, I decided to treat with Imidacloprid as well. It’s one of the only things that nearly everyone agrees that it works. It’s been 5 days since treatment and all of the plants are pushing out new healthy growth. I transplanted a treated seedling and could not see any sign of RA.

There are definitely precautions to take with Imidacloprid. Personally I think you should only use it as a root drench, as soil locks it up pretty good. Also never dump your run off down the drain, it’s extremely toxic to aquatic invertebrates.

I took the same approach as you Harlequeen, treated the plants then returned my biocontrols to act as a preventative, because that’s really how they function best.

 

[Hookahhead]

Hadn’t heard of this before....thanks. In a battle with them right now and was thinking of starting a thread detailing my struggle and how I am trying to rid of them.

Please take our advise and use Imidacloprid, today! Seriously I tried fighting them for 2 months, nothing i tried gave me any semblance of hope. I even lost a few plants all together. Within 48 hours of the Imidacloprid treatment I saw a difference. Again, be sure you take the proper precautions to protect yourself and the environment.

 

[sterfrigerator]

Avid? That’s disgusting

 

[DenverJim]

well the best pesticides are Avid and imidacloprid. imidacloprid is a nicotine derivative. It is not absorbed into the skin.
Apparently pesticides are a preferred method of committing suicide in SE Asia. The old ones would kill you.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2662424
As far as Avid goes some fool drank 250ml of the 15% soliution. He suffered some terrible systems. He was hospitalized for 3 weeks. the docs tested him later and found he had no lasting injury.
Did any of you ever read the warnings on Bt. they want all kinds of protective gear. I apply all this stuff with shorts on and nothing else. Read reasarch studies done by universities. I read and then decide the risk. the government wants to scare you. that swhy most have no clue so they rely on crackpot doctors trying to make a buck. why believe either side both are trying to make a buck. Do you honestrly believe farmers are going to use a chemical near their home that would kill them and their neighbors. Where as some self proclaimed Expert who does dubious work with meta data on rats. The crackpot behind the roundup scam used mice. The Dept of AG used pesticide applicators in Iowa and n Carolina. by the way the crackpot got a contract worth $400,000 to work for the shyster lawyers to sue Monsanto who no longer makes roundup.
l I also spray Imidacloprid on every inch of soil in my back yard. last year I didn't even see an aphid. It also killed the grubs in the compost pile.

 

[buzzmobile]

Did any of you ever read the warnings on Bt. they want all kinds of protective gear. I apply all this stuff with shorts on and nothing else.

Bt labels do not have many requirements for PPE. Here's one label:
https://www.ohp.com/PIB/PDF/thuricide_905_pib.pdf

PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT (PPE)Applicator and other handlers must wear:•Long-sleeved shirt and long pants•Waterproof gloves•A dust/mist filtering respirator meeting NIOSH standards of at least N-95, R-95, and P-95.•Shoes plus socks

https://www.certisusa.com/hubfs/4809084/Label%20SDS/pdf-labels/Javelin_WG_label.pdf

Personal Protective Equipment (PPE):Applicators and other handlers must wear:•Long-sleeved shirt and long pants•Waterproof gloves•Shoes plus socks•A NIOSH approved particulate respirator with any N, R, or P filter with NIOSH approval number prefix TC-84A; or a NIOSH approved powered air purifying respirator with an HE filter with NIOSH approval number prefix TC-21C. (Repeated exposure to high concentrations of microbial proteins can cause allergic sensitization. Follow manufacturer’s instructions for cleaning/maintaining PPE. If no such instructions for washables exist, use detergent and hot water. Keep and wash PPE separately from other laundry.