Profiling postal packages.

[chuckyoufarley]

a couple yrs ago i bought alota seeds from seedabay i was getting packages atleast 1a month and 1 day the postman says are you the person thats getting all the ****(edited by me so as not to give stealth metohds up) and i was like huh and he ask me again and i said that i was getting *****(same here )from the uk for my son that ya cant get in the states he seemed to but it but after that i stopped having them sent to that addy.might have just been nosey and he still the postman here

 

[Julian]

Good information but a little over paranoid.

I think some of the paranoia around here is extreme and people read way into things sometimes

What was discussed was operating procedure.

Now.......you can sit and call operating procedure "paranoid" all you like...(And I'm certain that you didn't go through cases and links....because no one would make the statements you did, and are, if they were aware.....so.....)

Not enough?....well, was just a sample.....feel free to sit down, and I am sure you can find at least 5,000 more.....

And in the process, why not search out the number of seized packages annually, and prosecutions./investigations ....

Do private not USPS

Package it CORRECTLY

Should be fine.

Good luck with that. Your obviously well versed.

 

[hamstring]

Unfortunately, the shipment your package is a part of may be only 500-2,000 pieces, depending on specifics, of which 50-300 may be pulled for further inspection.

Edit: Few seem to be aware of the scope of package screening and the purposes, assuming only for drugs. While topic has been geared towards this topic (green), it hasn't been addressed that they are looking for 100 other things at the same time..(hundreds of prohibited items, from porn through ammunition through agriculture and more, forged postage, incendiary devices, currency,etc, etc....)

Julian I’m so glad someone questioned your thoughts on this subject because I missed this thread somehow. Thank you it was one of the most informative threads I have read in a long while.

I love the above reply to people who say "statically you are safe because millions of packages are sent"
I am one of the people who looked at it like that but duh, they don’t all go through one hub.
PEACE

 

[headiez247]

What was discussed was operating procedure.

Now.......you can sit and call operating procedure "paranoid" all you like...(And I'm certain that you didn't go through cases and links....because no one would make the statements you did, and are, if they were aware.....so.....)

Not enough?....well, was just a sample.....feel free to sit down, and I am sure you can find at least 5,000 more.....

And in the process, why not search out the number of seized packages annually, and prosecutions./investigations ....

Good luck with that. Your obviously well versed.

Again, I'm all for information. I literally search news and legal sources every day for anything related to our plant. I do more reading on a daily basis about marijuana then most people who are studying in college.

I did read through all the links (at least the ones that worked, many are dead) and yes, I'm aware that there are many more examples. Thousands. Tens of thousands. Still peanuts compared to the millions of packages that move across the country each and every day.

Operating procedure isn't useful information unless it comes along with how to properly avoid problems.

Mis information is bad.

If one buys something from legitimate source, even if you want it asap, your not going to go too expensive on shipping.

wrong

And, that's the bottom line about mailing.....it's not even 50/50 odds anymore....

so incredibly wrong

While Christmas brings a dramatic increase in packages, manpower is increased.The same applies at many source states and destination states

Man power doesn't even come close to increasing as much as the increase in package count.

Look it up yourself. (Any search words mentioned will turn up hundreds if not thousands of cases, news reports, government reports on the subject.) If you knew what you think you do, I would not have to provide it, you would know already, now wouldn't you? ...

Yes great, but we don't get news stories of the countless packages that do get thru on a daily basis.

Some think they should put items in which rattle around and shake if something picked up.....well, not a bad idea, but, if a package "feels" tight and dense....chances are it's packed tight enough so it would not rattle when moved.....

Now...private carrier?.....well, they might take that as something broken and have every right to open up and repackage..(no warrant for private carriers.....)

wrong. if a package is fully sealed and i send it thu private, there is no way in hell they are going to rip it open because it sounds like something is broken inside.

Disclaimer: Vacuum sealers and bags I have always used are commercial grade....cheapest about $5-600, most expensive about $3,500.

overboard. A $100 FoodSaver works just fine.

I get a lot of packages sliced open.....smaller cuts, maybe 2-3", most likely made by knife or scissors, when they suspect something and dog doesn't hit on it.

never seen or heard of this in my life, and none of the thousands of legitimate packages I've received have ever been tampered with

Unfortunately, the shipment your package is a part of may be only 500-2,000 pieces, depending on specifics, of which 50-300 may be pulled for further inspection.

no chance. the manpower required to inspect those numbers compared to the daily mail movement would literally be impossible.

This forum is great for information but people need to keep in mind that some people who seem to be authority figures are interpreting the information just like the rest of us. Anyone who wants to get accurate info needs to look at both sides of the argument.

 

[Julian]

Newsflash........what has been discussed is how it is....

Now, you can choose to "interpret" and dismiss How it is all you like......

(I think there are some other threads about store surveillance busts...maybe you can chime in on those how it's paranoia, they don't really do that )

I didn't get farther than this to dismiss everything above....you want to debate "how it is"...it's not open to debate....

Unless of course you want to provide anything whatsoever supporting your position.......(you know, like above ), because I really didn't see you offer anything aside from opinion (dismissing how it is ....)

Operating procedure isn't useful information unless it comes along with how to properly avoid problems.

That was pure genius.

Want to match notes?......you'd be far out of your league.....you have no idea....Your woefully out of your depth. (I mean, obviously you think you've got some game.....but then you want to debate "how it is".....

So much for that game I suppose....

Otherwise, I would advise anyone else to be fully versed before sending......know what your doing, know how it works, know how to pack, send, etc......(7 people on this board have gone down or known someone in last 12 months because they didn't know the above......)

(As earlier...we're not talking 1/8ths....so......)

And, again......before you come back and want to debate....well, was supported.....your arguing "how it is".......and, again, as far as matching notes with me?....good luck....you've already given a fair idea as to knowledge and experience, and I'm far from impressed, and don't even see a fraction of basic knowledge of the subject...a fraction.....literally....

(I always laugh when I see people trying to reason why what is, isn't ).....

I'd suggest people know what is, and work around that......

(or you can listen to pro.....go grab a $100 food saver, send private and you'll be fine......really, you will....ignore all that stuff about what they do, why they do it, how they do it..(because really, they don't...) ..just send.......why bother.....who needs to know anything before they do it.....)

 

[whodi]

Jullian may come across like a wise-guy, know it all, and/or overly-paranoid. He does make me paranoid sometimes when i think about the things he says. Being cautious is good but only if you dont start thinknig negative about everything in the process. But for the most part i always learn more and become wiser from reading his stuff on security. Take it for what you want, but you'll learn to read certain parts and pick apart the good and bad from his shit.

Everyones different and have their own opinions. Guessing by as much research and thoughts julian does, he probably is the type to care more than your avg guy and take a lot more pre-cautions.

Everything he said and contributed in this thread is probably the smartest thing we can do. Whether it's 50/50 chance, million dollar food saver, or whatever... it doesn't matter, as long as you take the most precautions.

I used to think like you headiez.. until I read all this information here. Even if you do all the right things, in my opinion it is a 50/50 chance, just like anything in this hobby, that your shit will get popped.

Some people just dont care as much and just like to wing things in life with a little bit of effort. And some people are more paranoid and take more things seriously when it comes to beign cautious.

try to keep the thread on topic instead of callng people right or wrong. A debate is cool, but know how to debate.

Was watching at damn DEA show and they said that 65% of drugs are trafficed through the mail system.. private carriers and federal companeis combined.

And julian probably meant that your avg person isn't gonig to pay $80+ to have their packages shipped overnight. Therefore you are more likely to be profiled if a bigger package, not an envelope, is beign shipped overnight. Shit like this you gotta look at the bigger picture in a lot of his posts.

The majority of the cases I've seen go down have been overnight mail or through private companies hauling big crates of the stuff.

What are yalls thoughts on this? Are they keeping dogs at the airport facilites moreso? To sniff drugs and bombs since flying with packages is much mroe dangerous? I notice by readign soem of those cases is that they actually have parcel squad teams and stuff for this crap.

 

[Julian]

And here we have the problem........

Paranoid......Negative....Cautious.......Caring.....precautions?......

Ummmmm......what we're discussing is how the world is indeed functioning around us.....now.......if that "makes" one feel any certain way.......that's your issue.........and have nothing to do in the end with the issue.......if one has an opinion.....well........again....all fine..........

It's paranoid and cautious to know everything you can about your task and do it right? ......

I wouldn't call it "paranoid" when you have packages going through 30 peoples hands before they hit their destination.......and knowing what all 30 are looking for, and how they are trained......

I dunno........me?..........

I call that......normal?..........

Paranoia is far from applicable to that process, sorry.

I'm a little surprised at anyone (whoever.....) who thinks they have any understanding or game......but see's the absolute most inferior piece of equipment money can buy as a sure bet ....

(To anyone reading whose curious....the differences in all products are strength of vacuum, (amount of air removed and seal) seal, (strength, failed seals can happen for lot of reasons) and quality of bags.....OTR's...

bad shit ......

 

[whodi]

I edited my last post above incase you msised it julian.

And about the paranoid thing.. it's not actually paranoid.. it jsut makes people paranoid when they read you're stuff sometimes and it makes them paranoid because it's so real. And I think some people may take your caution in a negative way, when you think about all the bad things that could go wrong. Even though it all benefits us, it still may make some people think you' just come across as a negative person, even though it's not about that.

Some people jsut don't read your posts correctly and look at the bigger picture. Call it simple-minded folks maybe........... liek you said it's their issue.

 

[Julian]

Paranoid would be fearing a large and very rare bird will swoop down and tear it to shreds just as your walking up to drop it off and an inspector happens to be passing by with visiting DEA for a routine package profiling training session.,.....

Ohhh......wait.......there is a case above that was a training session



You guys........

What we're discussing are facts. Supported (funny how those who always disagree present none and have little to offer.......)

I fail how to see addressing facts are any of the above (paranoid, cautious, negative, etc.......and of course all of those emotions create others.......like denial which we see occasionally )

They are merely that, and not open to interpretation or speculation.....

 

[Julian]

Btw............

Most of the time when I post links to books?.....

Those are law enforcement training texts.......as in, what actual agents/officers read during training....you know....what teaches them their job?

(The one above is a good overview.........even though, you know....they really don't do any of that stuff .........one above is Interdiction overview, covers highway, package, air, rail, etc, etc.....)

Bet you guys didn't go through a single link, did ya ....

 

[Dr. Smokepuma]

WOW

WOW

Textbook Case:40 postal inspectors, 10 national guard at USPS hub on a weekend,Express Mail definitions,Procedure and Protocol.

I know what I know........

I know what I don't know.....

When I know, I add what I can.

When I don't, I sit back and read and learn.

Thousands of other cases, appeals, USPS and private statements, news, and Federal,State, and Local action reports available for anyone to search.

Now, make no mistake.....going up against 40+ postal inspectors at a single location is nowhere near going up against part time Christmas sorters, and terrifies even the most seasoned,creative and veteran of shippers.

This topic is something I know well, is not a game,and allows for no mistakes....

People tend to assume my experience and knowledge in certain matters from my posts, but, I'll state clearly, I don't post as much as I do for various reasons....(ie: I never share everything...)

In short: I guarantee I know many times more than I am saying at any given time.

Is it just me julian
or is all the names on that warrant and all the cases cited all mexican?
now i knwo what ya mean ...

i guess having a mexican name while sending mail isn;t as safe asit was

 

[Julian]

Well.........I thought when posting of greater significance the overview of that.......in itself what some seem to doubt .......(People seem to be under impression one person sitting there watching tens of thousands of packages ........)

Ethnicity, origin, destination, size, weight, method, how paid, etc.....

I like the above as an example......(40 inspectors-prohibited mailings narcotics specialists, 10 national guard at incoming early Sat morning going through incoming..........)

People tend to be under the assumption it's a single person watching a flow of thousands .........(and likewise people under the assumption package will just pass one person and be home free ......it's the entire journey, from start through finish.....)

Actually, if one reads through the entire doc, they will find multiple examples of every aspect discussed....

That's a good one.......interesting read covering many, many aspects in real life practice simultaneously.....

 

[Dr. Smokepuma]

Well.........I thought when posting of greater significance the overview of that.......in itself what some seem to doubt .......(People seem to be under impression one person sitting there watching tens of thousands of packages ........)

Ethnicity, origin, destination, size, weight, method, how paid, etc.....

I like the above as an example......(40 inspectors-prohibited mailings narcotics specialists, 10 national guard at incoming early Sat morning going through incoming..........)

People tend to be under the assumption it's a single person watching a flow of thousands .........(and likewise people under the assumption package will just pass one person and be home free ......it's the entire journey, from start through finish.....)

Actually, if one reads through the entire doc, they will find multiple examples of every aspect discussed....

That's a good one.......interesting read covering many, many aspects in real life practice simultaneously.....

yep i
was reading the whole thing.. it jumps right out at ya ..
all them mexican names...

 

[Julian]

Name insignificant.....met virtually every criteria from start.

 

[Dr. Smokepuma]

Name insignificant.....met virtually every criteria from start.

True about the name But.. that was a red flag that needed an extra look and look they did

 

[Julian]

Actually met every criteria mentioned, and, easy to miss while looking through was one of 30 cases made on single incoming.....(35 pulled, 30 dirty. Single effort, single morning, single team, single location. 30)

 

[headiez247]

Unless of course you want to provide anything whatsoever supporting your position.......(you know, like above ), because I really didn't see you offer anything aside from opinion (dismissing how it is ....)

for the second time, there is no way to show court cases/evidence of all the packages that go through, because they aren't caught Julian. Only people who are caught can be documented. All we can go on is the DEA saying that 80% of drug traffic comes through the mail.

(or you can listen to pro.....go grab a $100 food saver, send private and you'll be fine......really, you will....ignore all that stuff about what they do, why they do it, how they do it..(because really, they don't...) ..just send.......why bother.....who needs to know anything before they do it.....)

I have been, for years, and you obviously haven't. So when it comes to current experience of actually shipping items, I'd actually have more then you since you just sit and preach not shipping, and I actually do it. Doesn't matter what it was like to ship "back in the day" it matters what the situation is now, which, according to you is less then 50% (boy if that's true I should go buy some lottery tickets because I'm one lucky guy)

I'm a little surprised at anyone (whoever.....) who thinks they have any understanding or game......but see's the absolute most inferior piece of equipment money can buy as a sure bet ....

(To anyone reading whose curious....the differences in all products are strength of vacuum, (amount of air removed and seal) seal, (strength, failed seals can happen for lot of reasons) and quality of bags.....OTR's...

Inferior meaning $100 vac sealer vs a $3,000 one? A dog will be able to smell through both. It's about not letting the human nose smell it.


That's about all I got. Feel free to reiterate how you have real examples and I don't, and how you have all the shipping experience in the world (even though you don't do it anymore), and feel free to keep using the smileys every few words and the awesome broken english sentences, its all good

There's enough info in here for people to make their own decisions.

peace

 

[hamstring]

When I was younger, before I shopped for my jeans in the “Relaxed Fit” section and used a “wash rag” as comb I took a College Algebra class.

One day the instructor had just handed out a test we took a couple days before. He was going over each question and showing everyone the correct answers when all of a sudden in the seat next to me was a violent eruption!!, “ How in the fuck do you give me a “F” when I got all the answers right?” The instructor looked over at the fellow and said, “It is true you got all the answers correct but you didn’t show how you arrived at any of these answers."

How you got the answer is always, I repeat,always more important then the answer it’s self.

 

[Julian]

That's about all I got.

I know. ...An opinion and a claimed record with 0 knowledge about your claimed area of expertise who shops at Wal Mart and offers a sentence as an overview but claims a knowledge contradicting how it is...

I got it the first time Player...

 

[Molson]

dog will be able to smell through both. It's about not letting the human nose smell it.

In all those cases that were linked here, nobody at the sorting facilities, or anybody for that matter, 'smelled' any drugs within the packages.

They were labeled as suspicious, set aside, and later hit on by a drug dog.