Problems day 50 in flower, pics!

[kushclt]

I don't mean ta be a Debby Downer here, but by the time that lime breaks down and works, yer plants are gonna be done. I would get some Big bloom to finish them off with. It's more or less a premade tea made of worm castings and bat guano. It's very mild but fast a acting. Lots of micro-critters in it to over come the stress yer plants are goin through. It will baby them through the rest of their lives. Plants love this stuff!......Next go around cut yer soil the same way with prelite, and make a ton of holes in the bottoms of yer pots. This way any excess water is not held by the soil, it's like a sponge, holding jus the right amount of water and air. Plus the plants roots and microherd -love- the air! Also try using grow big if yer gonna veg longer than a month, then switch to big bloom and tiger bloom. Keeping it as simple as possible till ya get em dailed in. I've started many folks this way locally. The plants were happy all the way through, and yeiled very nice ta boot. It's -very- simple, every other water is big bloom. Every third to fourth water add some tiger bloom along with the big bloom. That's it! You never have to worry about big bloom building up in yer soil, it's good for it! I've grown all kinds of different ways over the years, and I'm tellin ya it jus don't get any easier than this. I never have to add lime or other amendments to the soil, it's all in there. Feeding with these nutes will give them the balance of nutrients they need in the correct ratios. That's -very- important for happy plants. Just tryin ta help, the rest is up to you. BC

So, basically its too late for my 3 in flower..would big bloom help unless they go 10-12 weeks?

I've also got 6 power skunk's which have been introduced to 12/12 within the last 2 weeks...when should i start feeding them big bloom and tiger bloom? and is this an improvement over my current FF regimen of open sesame/beastie bloomz/ and cha-ching?

 

[RockyMountainHi]

I use Grow Big, Tiger Bloom and Big Bloom - all from Fox Farms - they sold those way before all the other shit with the glitzy names.

Beware Tiger Bloom drops pH BIG FOOKIN TIME - and at the recamended dose of 2 tsp - will fry your plants if you don't add some ph up. - it may even then. Ferts can be counter productive when used carelessly.

I find about 1/2 strength or so drops my tap water to 6.1-ish.

6.5 is a little high to hold regurarly - most plants like a gentle swing of about 5.8-ish up to about your 6.4 or 5 ish - I have a couple that just like 6.0 thru 6.2.

They are like kids - ya give them what makes them healthy-ist

if you get the bloom nutes soon - I'd give them a couple weeks of BB/TB and see what they look like - when most the trics are cloudy - go to ph adjusted tap for the last 2 weeks ar so.


I have NEVER foud a plant that was done when the breeder said is should be - and; I can say from experience: having cut early and cut late - I'll wait. Ya just can't rush mother nature.

As they approach old age - the demand for nutes and water tend to taper down somewhat mainly because we want them to draw from their reserves - all those sun leaves can be converted in flowers - and I like flowers.


- be observant - you'll do fine.

 

[B.C.]

hmm...

hmm...

Well, let me explain somthin to ya first ta help you make the call on the later flowering plants. When these plants start flowering, they stretch in the first couple of weeks. About the time that stretch stops, yer plants will start using alot more water suddenly. This is because they kick into high gear makin flowers. The plant sucks up water and nutes and evaporates or "transpires" the water out of pores ( called stomata ) on the leaves, leaving the nutes for the plant use. This goes on till the plant is about done flowering. Just as suddenly as it started, the high transpiration cycle comes to an end. The plant will stop using so much water. After this point the plant stops bulking up and is purdy much done....... So with this in mind if yer plants are still goin through water purdy fast I would say yeah, give em the big bloom. If it's slowed way down it's not going ta do much for em. Just by the looks of em from the pictures I would say yud be ok to give them some for awhile....... I'd start anytime with BB and TB on the others. Don't be afraid of using a 1/4 cup of BB at a time, it's weak but it works well. Remember to shake the shit out of out the jug cuz it settles to the bottom. Btw, I never check the PH on anything. The humus in the soil will cover you on this. That's one of the joys of organics. I've fed TB by itself many times with no problems. If you mix BB with TB it would bring the PH up anyway. The same goes for grow big. And adding BB with GB in veg will help yer roots grow faster plus it will add too and feed the microherd at the same time. ...... Remember to always add the nutes to the water, never put the nutes in first then add water, It will lock them up......The thing I like about using these nutes is that if a plant starts yellowing at 4-5 weeks in flower you can always add alil GB to the mix and slow it down. That way it still has all it needs to do it's thing...... The nutes you are using now have crazy N-P-K ratio's so I've never used them. I never needed to. If ya have any questions jus hollar. BC

 

[kushclt]

Well, let me explain somthin to ya first ta help you make the call on the later flowering plants. When these plants start flowering, they stretch in the first couple of weeks. About the time that stretch stops, yer plants will start using alot more water suddenly. This is because they kick into high gear makin flowers. The plant sucks up water and nutes and evaporates the water out of pores on the leaves, leaving the nutes for the plant use. This goes on till the plant is about done flowering. Just as suddenly as it started, the plant will stop using so much water. After this point the plant stops bulking up and is purdy much done. This is called the high transpiration cycle...... So with this in mind if yer plants are still goin through water purdy fast I would say yeah, give em the big bloom. If it's slowed way down it's not going ta do much for em. Just by the looks of them from the pictures I would say yud be ok to give them some for awhile....... I'd start anytime with BB and TB on the others. Don't be afraid of using a 1/4 cup of BB at a time, it's weak but it works well. Remember to shake the shit out of out cuz it settles to the bottom. Btw, I never check the PH on anything. The humus in the soil will cover you on this. That's one of the joys of organics. I've fed TB by itself many times with no problems. If you mix BB with TB it would bring the PH up anyway. The same goes for grow big. And adding BB with GB in veg will help yer roots grow faster plus it will add too and feed the microherd at the same time....... Remember to always add the nutes to the water, never put the nutes in first then add water, It will lock them up......The thing I like about using these nutes is that if a plant starts yellowing at 4-5 weeks in flower you can always add alil GB to the mix and slow it down. That way it still has all it needs to do it's thing...... The nutes you are using now have crazy N-P-K ratio's so I've never used them. I never needed to. If ya have any questions jus hollar. BC

shit man, i've always measured my nutes and thrown it into 1 gallon jugs and then added water...that locked out the nutes?

 

[B.C.]

yep

yep

If there in liquid form, yeah, it very well could! I edited part of my post up there jus so you better understand about the transpiration cycle, it's important to understand this. Then is the time to make them blow up. If ya work with a strain for awhile and know right when it drops off on water at the end, you can push the feed almost to that point and catch the end of it to clear the plant of any extra nutes, so it burns very clean. In other words reaching the plants full potential and still having the best tasting bud on the block. lol BC

 

[kushclt]

they are granular so i guess i'm ok on that one

 

[Bush Dr]

dude, you want them to run out of nitrogen in flower

Exactly, these plants look like they were deprived of P & K at the proper time to produce flowers, far to many leaves .... there should be floral tops coming out the buds not more bloody leaves

Your pH is too low as well ..... those plants want a nil Nitrogen feed after a good flush and dry out ..... can you get GH Ripen?

Good Luck
Bush

 

[kushclt]

im going to run down to the hydro store today and pick up some Big Bloom and Tiger Bloom and hope that helps...

i searched the hydro store's website, and they don't carry anything called GH Ripen...

 

[Kinderfeld]

Yes they're deficiient in N, for the simple reason that it's all been used up and any that was there has now been washed out. There was probably never going to be enough N in that soil anyway, 30-40% perlite is too much, it's simply removing nutrients from the soil. You just don't need much more than 5-10% perlite if you must use it, if you water correctly you don't need any at all.

There is an N deficiency but I don't think the soil is dry of resources. I think it has been locked out. I also find a lot of times when people say 6.0 ph it is actually a lot lower so this is where the lockout comes in. Also 40-40 % perlite is perfect for ocean forest. 5-10% would be a horrible ration to use with ocean forest and your soil would be very think and more prone to salt build up, and easier over ferting not to mention poor and not ideal drainage. Also remember people say ocean forests last 30 days but when you transplant should be around 3 times to bigger containers, you are adding soil every 2-3weeks. So most likely all you will need is a nice medium feeding after the first week of stretch and other than that no veg feedings at all.

Listen to b.c. he is def steering you right on this one...

 

[mexilandrace]

Lime takes a while to act

I am paraphrasing cause I couldn't find the exact words you used.

Why would powdered lime not serve to immediately help stabilize his PH?

Not arguing with you, just wondering what your opinion is. The mag and calcium may not be there right away but it should help with his PH after the first watering and help him through the remainder of the grow, no?

 

[kushclt]

got some big bloom and tiger bloom

mixed 4tbsp of big bloom and 2 tsp of tiger bloom with some filtered ph 6.0 tap water

took the ph of the final product, seemed low..added some ph up..made a slight difference, although hard to get a color reading using the ph drops when you are trying to test brown water

will update with pics if anything worth updating happens lol!

 

[mexilandrace]

sigh...

 

[RockyMountainHi]

RUT ROW

 

[kushclt]

sigh...

RUT ROW

???????

If you are referring to the ph of the final solution, i got the solution as close as possible to 6.5

forgive me if i've made a few mistakes, this is my first grow

 

[B.C.]

lime...

lime...

I am paraphrasing cause I couldn't find the exact words you used.

Why would powdered lime not serve to immediately help stabilize his PH?

Not arguing with you, just wondering what your opinion is. The mag and calcium may not be there right away but it should help with his PH after the first watering and help him through the remainder of the grow, no?

It's the exchange of cal and mag cations that cause a raise in PH, this is how lime works. Humus is the real stabilizer. Humus or humic acid will allow a plant ta fed outside what would be considered the normal PH for a plant ta feed at. It will also allow a plant ta feed on more and bigger cations and compounds of cations that it otherwise couldn't before. That's why folks using teas don't have to worry about checking their PH. This is one reason I stress using Big Bloom. It's nothing but a tea, worm castings and bat guano that's been broken down by micro bacteria already, not too mention it has micro critters in it as well. It's like liquid humus. Btw, that soil also has humus in it too.........Kushclt, I would suggest jus using big bloom ta finsh em off. Yer gettin close to the end and I don't want you to get any tiger bloom locked up in yer buds. The big bloom is totally organic so no worries there. At this point if anything will help, that will. Good luck, and keep us posted. Later, BC

 

[kushclt]

It's the exchange of cal and mag cations that cause a raise in PH, this is how lime works. Humus is the real stabilizer. Humus or humic acid will allow a plant ta fed outside what would be considered the normal PH for a plant ta feed at. It will also allow a plant ta feed on more and bigger cations and compounds of cations that it otherwise couldn't before. That's why folks using teas don't have to worry about checking their PH. This is one reason I stress using Big Bloom. It's nothing but a tea, worm castings and bat guano that's been broken down by micro bacteria already, not too mention it has micro critters in it as well. It's like liquid humus. Btw, that soil also has humus in it too.........Kushclt, I would suggest jus using big bloom ta finsh em off. Yer gettin close to the end and I don't want you to get any tiger bloom locked up in yer buds. The big bloom is totally organic so no worries there. At this point if anything will help, that will. Good luck, and keep us posted. Later, BC

I will bro, appreciate all the help!
Looks to me (newb) like they have 2-3 weeks left..hopefully it helps, if not..no worries the next ones will be better! I'll be keeping the post updated through pics when anything happens, thanks!