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Dave:

What has your typical yield been on past grows?

How often have you been harvesting (or, more accurately, how much time have you been using vegging between flowering harvests)?

If I remember right, WR takes about 60 days to flower. Are the clones you have available already rooted? If not, do you have/can you make a spot to root them prior to putting them in the tent? If so, you should be able to pull a harvest every 60-62 days.

It may take a crop to dial in the ideal light combination and nutes. Ideal (average) lighting intensity for good flowering is about 60-75 watts per square foot and plants can possibly use up to 100 watts/sq ft if everything else is ideal (CO2, temp, humidity, nutes). Bare minimum is 40 watts/sq ft.

I assume the Liquid Oxy is H2O2 of some strength. If it's 35%, be aware that H2O2 at that strength is a fairly dangerous chemical; use gloves & eye protection when handling it; the safest thing to do is to dilute it with some plain water (I'd use distilled) and make sure you add the H2O2 to the water, not water to H2O2. The usual dose of H2O2 is about 1 tsp (5ml) of 3% strength per gallon of nute solution per day; maximum dose for curing problems such as root rot is 2.5 tsp (12.5ml) per gallon per day, but don't start there.

Air stones in the res will also help, not only for oxygen (which isn't a problem with aero), but to keep nutes evenly mixed. If you are using upper-level strengths on light, you may need to mix your nutes a bit lighter because the plants will transpire more water. This is part of the experimenting you will need to do during the first crop to get the system dialed in. Make sure you keep good records of everything.

Have you grown the WR before? If so, how much do they stretch in flowering? Do you have records of how long they actually take to flower to the level of ripeness you like? I'm sure you know that how early or late you harvest affects the type of high and the medicinal effects.

My instinct would be to put three plants into each of the pods and start flowering at 8-12" tall (taller if they don't stretch much, shorter if they tend to stretch more). If you can fix up a small vegging/cloning area to get the plants ready for the flowering tent, you should be able to pull a harvest, clean the garden area, pots, res, & equipment, and put the next crop in the next day. This would give you 6 harvests per year.

Using some MH during the first couple of weeks of flowering will help reduce stretch if that's needed. If you want more stretch because the WR tend to be short anyway, then stay with pure HPS.

In short, I'd sure give SOG a try to see how the yield compares to your current style of growing. If it doesn't work, you can go back to the current tried-&-true system.
 

Mojave Dave

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SOG

SOG

Ambre,

You’re a doll for taking my by the hand here. I appreciate it more than you know.

My yields have been somewhat iffy from the very first crop, so my experience is actually quite limited. I am nearly finished with my third crop at present, the one you saved from the bin! My first crop was a bit of a disaster because there were so many things wrong from the very first day. The fellow who set it all up for me actually owns a popular grow shop (a franchise) here in England) so you’d think he’d set it all up correctly. But he did not. The plastic was left on the Rockwool cubes, the grow tent he had arranged for me to borrow (all of my initial equipment was borrowed at the outrageous “fee” of half of my first two crops, then give the equipment back. That’s mighty expensive when you consider the commercial value (he sells it, I only grow for myself and a few close friends who are in need) of the herb.
The tent was in deplorable condition, with rips and holes and zippers that wouldn’t zip. Nothing was explained to me, except “keep the pH in the yellow zone (???) and don’t let the light get too close to the tops of the plants”. That was it.
So I got involved with the forums and at least babied that crop through to a harvest of sorts. The crop was HDF and the yield was fair for a first timer, I suppose. I couldn’t tell you how much though as I didn’t own a scale at that time. But they got fairly big and the yield was probably average for that strain.

The next crop was AK-47 and one Biddy Early that got thrown into the mix accidentally. Six plants in all in the grow tent. Again the crop was probably of average yield (I would guess the yield for the entire crop at perhaps 10 ounces.
And now this current grow has had problems from the very start. Another man who owns a business related to Cannabis (hydro shop that I barter with) was at my home one day and just popped up and said “You gotta top those or you won’t get any yield”. The plants were 12” to 18” tall and under the vegging lamp when he reached in with dirty hands and cruddy fingernails (yucko!) and just started pinching the tops of my plants, half of the time looking at me while he felt around with his fingers and kept ripping the tops out of the plants.
As a result of that, and my stupidity at pruning the hell out of them while in growth stage (almost down to bare branches to let as much light get into them as possible), the plants were either stunted and never grew past two feet tall, or they were of acceptable height but had no buds on them to speak of. In short it is a miserable crop that I can’t wait to get behind me so I can do a better grow this next time.

Regarding the frequency of my harvesting chores, all of my plants so far have either taken the entire time they are supposed to finish, or have taken way longer than usual as with this current crop that was sooo slooow to flower and is taking forever to finish.

The WR clones can be ordered rooted if I like. I just give him three weeks lead time. The cost is £7.50 for WR clones, which sounds pretty good to me.

A harvest every 60 days would be excellent! Even if the yield isn’t amazing the fast turn-around means I’ll have more in a much shorter time-frame, so this may work out just beautifully if I can get it all together and do it correctly from the start!

The Liquid Oxygen (that is a brand name by the way) is 17.5 percent. I put 25 mils of this into each tank every day or every other day. It’s horribly expensive to buy in the shops, but I bartered for a couple of gallons of it, which means I can be generous with it if I like. Nothin’ but the best for my girls! *wink* I’ll follow your advice now, adjusting for the difference in strength between my 17.5 percent and the 35 percent you mentioned. Easy enough to do…just cut the dose in half.

Air stones: I have one in every tank with a special high out-put pumps to really blow forceful bubbles, as well as secondary water pumps arranged in such a way that they force the solution to constantly swirl vigorously around the tank for maximum aeration and nutrient/additive blending.

I have never even seen WR. I have seen the photos of that strain and it looks wonderful. I hope it’s a truly potent strain. I require a real heavy hitter to get any benefit pain-wise. I hope it’s capable of really taking me away…

I can use a 400w MH lamp on them during the growth phase. That should work out okay, ya think?

Wow! Six harvests a year! That’s incredible, Ambre. I hope it works out like that for me. My greatest fear used to be dying. But now it’s of running out of Cannabis to smoke. I really suffer quite badly without it and the fear of running short is always on my mind, you know? I just need to find the right direction in all of this, and this SOG may just be it!

Thanks again for all of your valuable advice, Ambre. You have helped me (and others here I’m certain) more than you know. A big bear hug and a thank you peck on the cheek for you!
 
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Dave:

First, a link to Overgrow's Strainguide. This is the Serious Seeds White Russian page with breeder info & grow reports from several people. This should give you an idea of how it grows and whether it is strong enough - I imagine it is since it's half AK-47 and half White Widow.

http://www.overgrow.com/strainguide/Serious_Seeds/White_Russian/

If you ever need info on a strain, the link to the main strainguide page is

http://www.overgrow.com/strainguide/

You can look them up by breeder or search on the strain name.


Do you have a pH meter or some way of measuring pH? That is one of the most critical pieces of information you'll need to take a crop successfully to harvest. Hydro pH levels need to be kept between 5.1 and 6.0 for best results. An aquarium test kit will work, just be sure it shows pH in tenths (most of the aquarium kits only show ph as 4, 5, 6, etc., they don't show the tenths of a point settings).

Another useful, though not as critical, meter is an EC or TDS meter. This measures the electrical conductivity of your nute solution, which will give you an indication as to how much nutrients your plants are taking up and when you need to top off the nutes or change the reservoir.

The 400w MH should be great for the vegging period.

You don't want to do a lot of pruning, especially just before flowering. If you're going to grow SOG, don't top the plants - nip off lower branches as they start to grow (before the plant invests a lot of energy in developing them) unless you have the room and inclination to keep mothers & create your own clones.

6 harvests a year is only going to happen if you basically put the plants into the system and immediately go to 12/12 to trigger flowering. If you spend time vegging before flipping to 12/12, then you will harvest less.

How big is the tent you are growing in? For a true SOG, you should be able to grow 4 plants per sq foot; if your hydro system won't hold that many, then you can let a couple of branches grow along with the main tops to fill in the space. Again, fine-tuning that will come with experience, especially if you've never flowered WR before.
 

Harry Gypsna

Dirty hippy Bastard
Veteran
hi dave....I also have access to clones for sale.... It would seem the price is a bit steeper at ur end though mate...theyre only 3 quid each up here.... from this guy but before i found a better person i was hearing prices more like what ur paying.... It is handy them being avaliable even iof you dont use em regularly as if you knack ur own cuttings or seeds, then u can always get a couple to fall back on..... liewise if there are a few gaps in ur room that ur moms cant quite fill this time round its useful.....coz hey, the light costs the same wether the gap exists or not.....
Looks like u gonna be a happy camper with ur havest though.....a nioce mix of varieties u got too so you will be having a great time with all the differebt tastes and highs...
Be lucky mate,
Harry
 
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ambre said:
Sure - it's commonly known as "Sea of Green". Lots of small plants squeezed into tight space grown as single colas. Commercial growers use this technique a lot.

Advantages: You don't need to veg them for long (primarily just long enough to get the clones rooted), so there isn't a lot of wasted time between crops. Harvesting is easier because there isn't all the popcorn sized junk to worry about, just one big cola per plant. The technique usually works best when using clones of a single variety so they all grow to approximately the same height because it is more efficient use of lighting.

Disadvantages: If you live where the number of plants determines the penalty (assuming growing is illegal where you are), the large number of plants in SOG is a problem. SOG works best with HID (HPS) lighting; fluoros don't have the intensity to penetrate the canopy to light the buds enough.


Jejejeje :D

Very nicley puted, but all I really wanted to know, is if the triming lower branches helps to bud main cola... :D


I see it does.

Keep it cool and see you around,

Agnes
 

Harry Gypsna

Dirty hippy Bastard
Veteran
I can second that it does work.... big top bud/s will be nicer if they get all the energy instead of what gets wasted making popcorn buds.... I experimented a while back with 2 identical clones treated in the exact same way throughout and the trimmed plant gave me a few grammes more.... A| lot of the stuff down there is really unproductive and never reaches anywhere near the strong light so end up as a nothing on a stalk....these are what some including myself call suckers as they contribute nothing of merit to the harvest and suck goodness away from the parts of the plant that could have used the energy better.... Obviously u onyl take the shitty gropwth though, anything that looks strong and that will make it up to get the good light may as well stay
 

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