Princess 88 vs. Cinderella 99

[Treevly]

I'm wondering if anyone here has tried the Princess, and how it compares to the C99. I've heard that it is not as speedy in its effect, and also my be a week slower in finishing.
I;m curious as to whether it is less potent, or simply more of an Indica/hashy potency. Thanks for any wisdom.

 

[Stocktont]

I'm wondering if anyone here has tried the Princess, and how it compares to the C99. I've heard that it is not as speedy in its effect, and also my be a week slower in finishing.
I;m curious as to whether it is less potent, or simply more of an Indica/hashy potency. Thanks for any wisdom.

Princess was the female clone that MrSoul allegedly found in some bud bought in Amsterdam (Sensi Smile Coffee shop) that was supposedly Jack Herer though no one (including MrSoul) knew what the pollen source that created those seeds were. Cinderella 99 as it was first released was the third backcross (after outcrossing the female Princess clone to a Shiva Skunk male or so the story goes most of the time). Princess 88 or Cinderella 88 was the second backcross, one step before the first release of C99. So princess is a clone only female cut and Princess 88 or Cinderella 88 was (((Princess)) x ((Princess) x (Princess x Shiva Skunk))).

There are some variations to this creation and even the originator himself has given somewhat conflicting information but the first release of C99 at Heaves Stairway was supposed to be the ”cubed” version which would indicate it is the third backcross. MrSoul wrote a lot about his ”cubing of Princess” though the second release after 2000 was the fourth backcross. Some are familiar with the percentage name where the outcross to Shiva Skunk was P50 where Soul meant that it had 50% of the Princess genetics. First backcross was P75, second was P88 and this may also have been named C88 (for Cinderella 88) and the third backcross was P94/C99 which would make the fourth P97 which was also sold as C99. MrSoul stated that the fourth backcross gave counter intuitive results and he was going to go back to the P94/third backcross version but the first version of Brothers Grimm closed shop before that happened.

I never smoked or grew the Princess clone so I can’t tell you how it was compared to any of the backcrossed generations. There’s been a few seed companies that have released P88 or C88 or used that generation in their hybrids, two comes to mind, Fleur De Mal sells both the 88 and 99 versions, Tricloud Genetics used to sell Pineapple Princess which was C88 x C99. According to legend there wasn’t a lot of P88/C88 seeds sold, if I remember right it was about the same amount as the Apollo 13 (Genius x P75), around 500 seeds of each. I could be wrong on that though as it is just internet gossip.

 

[Obsidian]

Fleur De Mal sells both the 88 and 99 as the 88xc99 cross also, got all their varieties offered

 

[Maple_Flail]

Mr. Soul actually mentioned on an A Dunn podcast what he thinks the pollen doner was. It was a few years ago an rather hard to find (i've been trying to find this pd cast for awhile now) but their archiving is terrible shows constantly taken down and re-up loaded.

he was mentioning in referance to working with DTC99 material as when he came back that was one of the projects he wanted to sort out and off the cuff mentioned he strongly believes that it was a Durban type plant that donated pollen to the jack herer he purchased.

If i recall the stories of the whole line, they all share the Vein of what was the supposed goals in mind. however there was supposedly variations out side of the wanted range.

So to potentially answer the question, depending on Cut so to speak, they could be nearly virtually identical or if this happen to be a pheno that was outside of soul goals it could be to hybrid ish and bland or leaning too much towards the Shiva used. it would be very hard to say unequivocally without alteast enough pics to tell weather its a typical C99 of and atypical pheno to get your best anwser but i have a feeling this is all my theoretical in the question.

 

[Treevly]

Fleur De Mal sells both the 88 and 99 as the 88xc99 cross also, got all their varieties offered

Sorry, I did not quite understand the last phrase, "got all their varieties offered." Do you mean that you have all the varieties FDM offers?

If so, I am primarily interested in hearing personal opinions on 88. I'm aware of the 99/88 history, but I don't know what that translates to in real terms. I'm not surprised that there are not more people who have tried P88, but as has been pointed out, Fleur de Mal is selling those seeds.

Thanks again.

 

[DaveBowman]

This is another I’ve always wanted to try.

obsidian, have you grown these out?

 

[Obsidian]

Sorry, I did not quite understand the last phrase, "got all their varieties offered." Do you mean that you have all the varieties FDM offers?

If so, I am primarily interested in hearing personal opinions on 88. I'm aware of the 99/88 history, but I don't know what that translates to in real terms. I'm not surprised that there are not more people who have tried P88, but as has been pointed out, Fleur de Mal is selling those seeds.

Thanks again.

Sorry Treevly, I meant to write, “I bought all their varieties”.
no, I haven’t run the 88 atm.

This is another I’ve always wanted to try.

obsidian, have you grown these out?

so far, the c99, and the sweet tooth last season. I harvested the c99 in mid November. I let her run long and she ripened perfect.
I’ve taken clones last week from the c99, and will run her again. She was fairly large plant in 45 gallon smart pot, I trimmed and manicured her shape as she grew.
The smoke is hard to describe flavor wise, it’s a knock out trippy high.
Old school creeper effect. Nice buzz for about 30min, then wham your stoned getting more stoned as the high just creeps upon you more and more intense.
great weed, sweet fruity, incense, no fuel, stank, onion, garlic.
Good jack herer

I grow 12 plants outside, medical, and rec.
Makes it hard to make seeds and test. I use blossom bags to make fem seeds.
I have a very trippy, psychedelic sativa, Santa Marta, from Columbia S.A. and my purple Peruvian Kotosh, thinking about some selective pollination with the c99 running this season.

It’s been a few years since the big kaboom in my life, 2021 will be a good year. Working the Kotosh again, with the 99

 

[Treevly]

so far, the c99, and the sweet tooth last season. I harvested the c99 in mid November.

C99 in November!!?? Are you near the equator? That seems a long haul.

While I'm at it, how did you like the Sweet Tooth?

 

[TPFTFW]

I’ve smoked soulie’s princess cut

it was absolutely awesome and I’ve been in the hunt for it ever since.

fermented pineapple
amazing sativa high.
super uplifting

 

[Treevly]

I’ve smoked soulie’s princess cut

it was absolutely awesome and I’ve been in the hunt for it ever since.

fermented pineapple
amazing sativa high.
super uplifting

Thanks, that's interesting. The official line is that it is slightly less speedy than C99. Hmmm..

 

[TPFTFW]

Thanks, that's interesting. The official line is that it is slightly less speedy than C99. Hmmm..

Yeah, I would say it’s a sociable sativa.
not racey or speedy at all.
just feel good herb.

ive been after it for a long time so this FDM interests me.

however.. I don’t understand how it’s p88 if it’s an ambiguous clone selection of souls crossed to a c99.

that’s not p88 then.
they don’t even say they used the princess to make it.

im really mainly interested in the princess clone,
I was about ready to buy 10 packs at least of that p88 but the description seems vague and I’m not a huge fan of breeders that mislabel things as they’re not.

just like they call their sweet tooth bx4 “sweet tooth”
not a great sign.

but still interested to hear more info about them

 

[TPFTFW]

Speedy and energizing are two very different things.

it was energizing for sure.

but in a clear Non muddled way

Edit: idk it’s been a while, it may have been speedy.

it was strong and it left an impression that’s all I can for sure recall.
mainly in the smell and taste dept. taste most of all. Never have I smoked something so spot on specific fruit

 

[TPFTFW]

And now I see FDM made a blog post about having a sweet tooth bx, and used the same picture as their supposed F2.


doesn’t add up.

I don’t trust it at all

 

[Obsidian]

not speedy, maybe a tad bit edgy. more trippy for me, ie colourful vison, see the flow if you just stare and I think that may be the length of time I ran her. and I live in AZ now, no longer OR. so...weather depending some winters here stay warm with a touch of chill. allows me to run longer flowering sativas.

The sweet tooth is typical breeder steve sweet tooth old school taste, sweet and fruity, at least the one girl I found out of 3 seeds.

 

[Doctor M]

There was no Princess88 there was Cinderella88. Sly sent a 1/2 zip of Princess 20 years ago. Princess was the mother of the Cinderella line. It was nice but not my cup of tea. Nothing really special IMO, pretty close to the original C99.

Original Apollo 13 (Genuis x Cinderella88) was outstanding. I never got a chance to try Cinderella 88 when Bros. Grimm was selling it direct, before they started selling through Heaven's Stairway.

 

[Stocktont]

There was no Princess88 there was Cinderella88. Sly sent a 1/2 zip of Princess 20 years ago. Princess was the mother of the Cinderella line. It was nice but not my cup of tea. Nothing really special IMO, pretty close to the original C99.

Original Apollo 13 (Genuis x Cinderella88) was outstanding. I never got a chance to try Cinderella 88 when Bros. Grimm was selling it direct, before they started selling through Heaven's Stairway.

Well it’s just internet lore anyways but I think the answer is yes and no. Yes there was a P88 as you could, and I have seen MrSoul also use this terminology when telling his ”cubing of Princess” story. P75 was the one that made Apollo 13 when crossed to Genius (Princess sister) was called P75 as it was - according to MrSoul’s logic and reasoning - 75% of Princess. P75 was the first backcrossed generation (P50 was the outcross to Shiva Skunk) and P88 was the second backcrossed generation, P94 was the third and the cube. Why it is also no is the reason you describe, he started to call it Cinderella 88 at that point and the third backcross or ”cube” as he called it which is just a fancier name for three times. At least that is how the story used to go. There’s been a few different versions of different steps, even from MrSoul, so who really knows right…

must have been nice to try flowers from Princess but it’s not everyone’s cup of tea, just like some don’t like C99 and some like it. Did C99 match up to the mothers flavor in your opinion?

 

[Stocktont]

Mr. Soul actually mentioned on an A Dunn podcast what he thinks the pollen doner was. It was a few years ago an rather hard to find (i've been trying to find this pd cast for awhile now) but their archiving is terrible shows constantly taken down and re-up loaded.

he was mentioning in referance to working with DTC99 material as when he came back that was one of the projects he wanted to sort out and off the cuff mentioned he strongly believes that it was a Durban type plant that donated pollen to the jack herer he purchased.

If i recall the stories of the whole line, they all share the Vein of what was the supposed goals in mind. however there was supposedly variations out side of the wanted range.

So to potentially answer the question, depending on Cut so to speak, they could be nearly virtually identical or if this happen to be a pheno that was outside of soul goals it could be to hybrid ish and bland or leaning too much towards the Shiva used. it would be very hard to say unequivocally without alteast enough pics to tell weather its a typical C99 of and atypical pheno to get your best anwser but i have a feeling this is all my theoretical in the question.

Yea I listened to that show and the one the week before when they announced that Brothers Grim were coming back and he called in but that seem to be lost, I searched for it later on but never found it. He think it might have been Durban Poison pollen but he is also making the assumption that what was printed on the bag for the buds he bought with the seeds inside was true and it came from Sensi Seed Bank’s breeding. Durban isn’t a bad guess if you think of something to cross the old mid 90s Jack Herer with something and find three seeds that grow three different female plants that all share a few characteristics like pretty early maturation, pretty ”sativa” type of high etc. Three out of three with a poly-hybrid is pretty much. Durban was a very early narrow leafed type compared to South Americans and South East Asians at least.

I agree that there was variation within the C99 and that carried through in filial generations from other people’s versions once the originals were gone.

 

[Doctor M]

Well it’s just internet lore anyways but I think the answer is yes and no. Yes there was a P88 as you could, and I have seen MrSoul also use this terminology when telling his ”cubing of Princess” story. P75 was the one that made Apollo 13 when crossed to Genius (Princess sister) was called P75 as it was - according to MrSoul’s logic and reasoning - 75% of Princess. P75 was the first backcrossed generation (P50 was the outcross to Shiva Skunk) and P88 was the second backcrossed generation, P94 was the third and the cube. Why it is also no is the reason you describe, he started to call it Cinderella 88 at that point and the third backcross or ”cube” as he called it which is just a fancier name for three times. At least that is how the story used to go. There’s been a few different versions of different steps, even from MrSoul, so who really knows right…

must have been nice to try flowers from Princess but it’s not everyone’s cup of tea, just like some don’t like C99 and some like it. Did C99 match up to the mothers flavor in your opinion?

You are correct about Soul using P88 in his description of the cubing process. My point was BG sold C88 for a limited time.

Yes Princess was very much like C99. I doubt anyone could tell the difference in a blind smoke test.

The one thing most people don't know is that Sly was responsible for BG's best strains. I suspect that's why most of Soul's new work is so so.

 

[Stocktont]

You are correct about Soul using P88 in his description of the cubing process. My point was BG sold C88 for a limited time.

Yes Princess was very much like C99. I doubt anyone could tell the difference in a blind smoke test.

The one thing most people don't know is that Sly was responsible for BG's best strains. I suspect that's why most of Soul's new work is so so.

I agree that there wasn’t a ”P88” sold and the C88 wasn’t sold at Heavens Stairway as you pointed out. Yes Sly was a big part of the old BG and maybe that’s one of the reasons the new stuff hasn’t been received like the old. The Grimm Widow and Grimm White Shark were pretty good as was the Ice Princess and Sugar Blossom. Personally I liked the Genius leaning Apollo to me it had that pleasant kind of high, warm and happy, that I really loved.

 

[LostTribe]

I agree that there wasn’t a ”P88” sold and the C88 wasn’t sold at Heavens Stairway as you pointed out. Yes Sly was a big part of the old BG and maybe that’s one of the reasons the new stuff hasn’t been received like the old. The Grimm Widow and Grimm White Shark were pretty good as was the Ice Princess and Sugar Blossom. Personally I liked the Genius leaning Apollo to me it had that pleasant kind of high, warm and happy, that I really loved.

Cinderella 88 was available for sale at HS for a short time but once they sold out they were only offering C99. First the Princess x P.88 then Princess x P.94 (referred to as P.97). P.97 was inferior to the P.94 so they went back to the P.94 release for a short time before they sold out and Soul moved to Europe.

C88 was just the precursor to C99.

"P.50 = Princess/(ShivaSkunk/Princess’Brother)
P.75 = Princess/P.50
Cinderella 88 = Princess/P.75
Cinderella 99 = Princess/Cinderella 88
Each generation exhibited a MAJOR jump in potency: P.50 was rather mellow, P.75 has a well-balanced body/mind high with a citrus flavour, Cinderella 88 is cerebral and paralyzing with a tropical fruit flavour, and Cinderella 99 is “TRIP WEED” with more of the fruity flavour and speedy effect from Princess."

Not sure what he's referring to as selected cutting however. He has changed the description since the last time I looked.

Got plenty of the 99's .