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Predator Hunters

tetragrammaton

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This thread is to discuss the resurrgence of YouTube videos catching predators. I believe the first to successfully pull it off on YouTube were Creep Catchers and the various branches in different provences from Canada. I then recall Justin Payne having success in this field. I recall during this time period (I'd say about 3+) years ago, there were also groups in the UK doing this as well.

Well, I recently noticed that now it is VERY active in the States, with many new channels created in the past few months now all doing the same thing, which I fully support.

Before I get into the positives of these vigilante groups, and in some cases single individuals doing this work exposing these predators, I will go over some of the negative opinions some hold towards these groups.

1. Safety. Obviously if someone is disregarding the law in terms of about to ruin a child's life, they could also disregard the law in other ways, for example, be armed, or an already wanted criminal with warrants, and could harm if not kill these vigilantes. That is a valid concern, but the more professional ones generally take precautions such as wearing bullet proof vests, being legally armed themselves, and/or fully know the risks, and to them, the benefit of exposing the predator outweighs the risk.

2. Entrapment. Some people, in my opinion, people that are pedophiles or predators themselves or sympathizers, claim that this is entrapment. Well, by definition entrapment is when law enforcement or an agent of the state induces a person to commit a crime that they otherwise would have been unlikely and unwilling to commit. So this claim is quickly disproven, because the people doing the work are vigilantes. They disclaim they aren't the police, and they also disclaim that this is just their "job" and they are just regular people, not agents of the state. Also, the chat logs don't lie, and clearly the person luring the pedophile/predator makes it clear that they are underage many times, and it's always the predator that keeps pushing to meet up at best, but usually they also go into graphic detail about what they want to do, what they plan to do, and also send unsolicited pictures of their genitalia as well as requesting more pictures, and making sure that it be kept a secret, so no, this is not entrapment because 1. The people doing this aren't the law, and 2. The predator is clearly WILLING and LIKELY (especially due to the fact that they showed up) to go through with the crime. For those who can't comprehend, that means it is NOT entrapment. Even though they do hand over the information to law enforcement after the fact, as I'll discuss later, law enforcement typically doesn't do much with it, and rarely is the predator arrested, but luckily it does happen on occasion.

3. Profit. Some people who criticise these (in my opinion) heros claim that SOME channels (not all) are doing this unprofessionally, for entertainment, for clout, fame, sponsership deals, and patrons for their Patreons, since most of this content is demonitized on YouTube. Many sell merch as well, and one of the newer most popular channels now charges a fee for other groups to use the name and become a "branch". This channel is the most criticized, as they are far from being politically correct and will berate the predators and even make stereotypical racist comments. This channel is not racist however, because they are a multi-racial group of friends, they just simply berate the pedophile any way they can, with nothing held back. I personally don't find this offensive, nor do I find it unprofessional, which leads me to my next criticism people have.

4. Nothing Happens. While they expose the predator to the internet, and in some cases to their jobs and family, and while they get their license plate number, and turn over the chat logs and everything to the police, rarely to the predators get arrested. Why, I don't know, but even the channels will fully admit that they do this, because the police usually don't give a shit. In most of the videos from January and February, once the predator realizes that they aren't going to go to jail, their main concern becomes begging that the footage isn't posted as it will "ruin their lives". Which leads me to my next criticism that people have.

5. The predator may go home and kill himself. This is a very possible scenerio, in fact it happened on Chris Hansen's show before, and I believe it happened with Pop Squad on two occasions but I might be mistaken. Well, my best friend commit suicide, so I know the pain that can result from a loved one commiting suicide, but suicide is free will, and I am not against suicide by any means. If someone feels that their life is unbearable to live, and have thought it through, and give it time, but are simply miserable and can't find happiness, or have a terminal disease, I believe that it's everyones right to commit suicide if they feel they must. Yes, it can be tragic, but these people were exposed, couldn't handle the fact that their family, friends, co-workers, etc... could find out, and/or that they'd be arrested, and perhaps if they've done this before (which they all claim they haven't) that they will be investigated and then their prior crimes will be found out, etc... etc... so they find suicide to be the only option. Good riddance. You shouldn't have been a piece of shit.

Those are the only criticisms that I can think of at the moment, but I addressed them so they don't need to be addressed further in the thread.

Now, on to why I think that these people are amazing and more need to jump on board.

See, on most of these "hunts", they lure the pedophiles by pretending to be a minor who is curious and or willing to meet up with the predator for sex, be it if the child is a female or a gay male.

If those scenerios and chat logs were real, which I presume there are some troubled youth who actually meet up with predators, like in the movie L.I.E. it still doesn't matter because they can not legally give consent even IF they are fully willing, so it's still illegal, but let's say it actually is "consentual", well that's fucked up and that's a sad reality, and that's why I generally don't like the world I have to live in.

But, then once they catch these predators, they always stress the point "you were about to ruin this childs life" etc... etc... and it's true.

I have been a victim of predators three times in my youth and while now I am able to cope with it and get over the trauma, I can vouch for the fact that it had lead to immense mental torture.

I am a heterosexual male, so being forced to perform oral sex on adults when I was 13 and 14 was not something that I enjoyed, nor something that I reported, because I came from a small town, and with the stigma around it all, I felt that I would be the laughing stock at my school, and/or people would think I'm gay. I'm not homophobic but the town I come from is very homophobic and would frequently kick openly gay, or suspected gay kid's asses. I knew I was supposed to report it, or tell someone I trusted, but I felt too ashamed to, as if it was somehow my fault, and that I'd get in trouble, or be seen as damaged, etc... I could perhaps understand if I was gay, and I had any sort of consent, or if I was curious, then it could be considered "consentual" even though still illegal, but I am not gay, nor have I been curious, nor did I want to partake in said activities, but was forced to, via threats and "blackmail" that I believed at the time.

Around that time, I started self harming, but not the emo way. I would slash myself with broken glass, sewing needles, razor blades, whatever I could. There are many reasons I've heard people give for why they cut themselves, for example, the physical pain is an outlet for the inner pain, they get an endorphin rush that makes them feel better temporarily, it shows them they are alive because they see the blood, or it's a cry for help. Well, I must admit that part of it was an attempted cry for help that fell upon deaf ears, but my main reason apart from a cry for help was to unleash the rage I had on those people, but on myself. Unfortunately I am a nice person most of the time, and I don't want to, or take pleasure in harming people, so each time I would slash myself, it was in a very quick heat of the moment rage, that I'd regret shortly after, now that it hurt, usually took a long ass time to stop the bleeding, and then came the realization of "fuck, now i'll have another permanant scar, and until it's a scar, people will ask what happened and I'll have to invent another story.

After that, I started smoking cigarettes heavily and daily at age 14, fully aware of the health risks as my adoptive father had just passed away from lung cancer due to smoking for the majority of his life. I didn't really give a shit about myself and could care less if I died.

It wasn't until I discovered cannabis that I was able to feel okay again, and normal and find enjoyment in life. Things should have stayed that way, but the world had other plans.

When I was 17, an age that you would think you should be able to defend yourself, etc... or learn from past mistakes, not only was I sexually assaulted, but I was physically assaulted so badly that my wrist was broken, a large portion of my hair was literally ripped out, so my scalp was throbbing and I was in immense pain, that I called my friend that I knew at the time was selling morphine because his sister was dying and didn't like the way it made her feel so she gave them to him to sell. Prior to this, I was anti-drug, as I don't consider cannabis to be a drug, but at the time, with both the physical and emotional pain, I said fuck it, and looked on erowid to see the dose I need to have a max experience without ODing and without a tolerance and it told me 90mg so that's what I took and not only did it take away my physical pain, but it took away my mental pain, and this time the person who victimized me was my adoptive mom's boyfriend so I couldn't escape, I was still a minor and had nowhere to go, she knew and tried to stop him but he beat her as well. If anyone is wondering, my mom is fine now, left him shortly after, well, had him evicted, and he died a year or two ago of a heart attack while jacking it at the computer. I know this because I remain close to his daughters, who actually called the police on him on more than one occasion when he was trying to strangle me to death.

During this time period I got heavily involved in hard drugs to feel happiness and to try to block out/ignore the inner pain and anger I had inside of me.

Eventually I temporarily got my shit together and everything was great, I was free from all drugs, and was happy and content with just cannabis and once I met my biological family and returned to my homeland in hopes to put the past behind me and perhaps enjoy a happy life, I found it hard at first to aquire cannabis of even mediocre quality, at first all I could find was paraguayan brick weed which 90% of the time is TERRIBLE.

During this point in my life, I was now a young adult. 21. The pain remained. The regret began. The regret that I didn't get these people arrested. The fact that I was too concerned about what people would think about ME, rather than the true monster gave me a sense of regret and guilt that I couldn't handle. As I said, I had difficulty finding herb, and cocaine isn't my thing, although it was when I was 16, I had nothing to turn to, and my antidepressants weren't working, except for helping my OCD. So, I decided if I can't find a mind altering substance to help me live my life like a normal person and move on, I'd simply become like the hillbillies from my old town that I despised and drink beer 24/7. Instead of masking the pain, or helping me forget, it did the opposite. I would get wasted, get on facebook, and expose these people. I didn't give a fuck, because I was drunk. While I regret many stupid shit I've done and said during my 7 years as an alcoholic, that was one I don't regret. I let everyone of their family members and friends, and my own family know the truth. Nothing could be done legally, but oh well, alcohol did give me the courage to call these people out by name and alert everyone to the truth. After doing that, I no longer felt any guilt, or shame, I felt like a huge weight was lifted off my shoulder, and there were no negative reprocussions. No one viewed me as weak, or a bitch, or anything negative. I received nothing but support, which was also calming.

Now, to this day, I still have to take my SSRI's and benzodiazapines in order to deal with society and the world. My good friend Steve Tuck has told me that with cannabis I can slowly taper off of my benzos, and I'm open to that option, but for now, I still need my benzos and my team of doctors seem to agree.

So there you have it. I, a 30 year old heterosexual male, was sexually abused by men. I am no longer ashamed of the fact, which is why I enjoy nothing more than these videos where they expose predators.

And these are just the predators that are online out in the open and being blatant about it, with the "bait" being people pretending to be seemingly curious and interested. So this helps a lot, but it's still not enough, because this isn't exposing the shit behind closed doors, the shit that doesn't happen online, but shit that happened to me for example. Someone that wasn't on an app, someone that wasn't gay, someone that wasn't curious, or lacking sexual experience as I had relationships with people my own age, but someone that was physically and sexually assaulted unwillingly.

I celebrate when I see these pedophiles get scared as shit on these shows. Even if the intentions of the content creator are purely to capitalize off of it, at least it exposes these people.

Another reason I support this new "trend" if that's the right word, of these types of channels, is because it inspires me to do my own exposing of people I know to be predators in the music industry. I feel it should be my duty to alert venues, have victim testimonies, as well as screen shots on deck, to sabotage these peoples careers before they can harm any more people.

I also feel that I am not alone. I feel as if there are many men who are straight (or gay) that were unwillingly sexually abused by a predator, but for whatever reason were too ashamed to come forward, as I was. Perhaps there are people reading this who can relate, but still aren't ready to come forward, which should be respected.

All I know is that, from the age of 13, I've been on various anti-depressants and engaged in wreckless self harming behavior such as cutting, suicide attempts, russion roulette, very heavy hard drug use including smoking crack and shooting up heroin, to turning into an alcoholic for 7 years, only now to be on MORE medication and diagnosed with PTSD, Major Depression, OCD, and "general anxiety disorder", which makes no sense to me, because if I have major depression and ptsd, what the fuck does general anxiety disorder have to do with anything? The only thing I'm thankful for, is that my use of cannabis as medical treatment is recognised and I am luckily finally within the law to grow my own medicine that is the ONLY thing that lets me have actual happiness and live a normal day. My pills don't really work without my cannabis.

So, long story short, I hope that these predator groups continue catching online predators, and perhaps predators in real life (not online), and that law enforcement actually takes the findings serious and action is taken.

Oh, I forgot to mention, I do not have any kids of my own yet, but I do have a 7 year old nephew and 3 year old niece and if I ever find out that anyone touches them or victimizes them in any way shape or form, they better hope that law enforcement does their job and puts them away for life, otherwise I will fucking lose it, and take justice into my own hands and all of these years of rage that has been surpressed via self medicating, natural medicine, and prescription medicine will be unleashed on whatever person is stupid enough to fuck with my family.

While my professional life is successful by societies standards, and I have no issue maintaining healthy relationships, I generally still hate older men, and am uneasy when ANY male touches me, even if it's just a pat on the back. I don't like being touched at all. So while I am okay and have moved on as much as anyone can, I still have to depend on pharmacuticals, and still am a heavy cigarette smoker, and even with my benzos still have anxiety, so yeah, fuck predators/pedophiles.

So yes, these predator poachers, creep catchers, vigilantes, whatever you want to call them are right. These predators DO ruin lives and leave an impression forever. While now I am physically at my peak as a lean beast well trained in various martial arts, and can and will defend myself, and am no longer a risk of being a victim, I still have to depend on medications to keep me calm.

I am very thankful to these vigilantes, and if any of you have plans to start a YouTube channel, or do this just for your own free time, you have my full support.

I also realize that this is the internet, and there is the possibility that there are members on this site that are predators or potential predators, and all I have to say to them if they are reading this, is that I hope you get caught, and I hope you don't just get exposed by people who want clicks on their YouTube videos, but I hope karma catches up with you and something much worse happens to you like law enforcement actually doing their job and putting you away, or someone taking justice into their own hands, and whatever they decide to do to you, I fully support.

I don't hate many people. I don't hate the old baby sitter that locked me in her basement with the other kids while she watched soap operas and let us upstairs just to eat campbells chicken noodle soup EVERY fucking day, and when I vomitted it from being sick of it, she forced me to eat my vomit. I don't hate the people who've robbed me of small amounts of cash, (well, large to some). I don't hate the people who have stolen my weed, or have stolen or destroyed my plants in some of my guerilla grows with dkmonk. I don't hate Monsanto, I don't hate the government, and I don't hate law enforcement.

But, I HATE pedophiles, rapists, predators, etc... Sometimes murder can be justified, which is also generally considered to be a morally wrong crime, but there's examples like self defense, etc... There is NO justification for an adult to prey on and sexually abuse a minor, or an unconsenting adult, like rape.

If there are predators reading this, there are more and more chapters and groups every day, and you fools keep falling for it, so be prepared to be exposed. Unfortunately that's all that will happen to you, unless someone sees the video, recognises you, and decides to take matters into their own hands.

Peace and Love and fuck the pedos!
Tetra
 

Gypsy Nirvana

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Yes - that's an awful story to have to bear - but it looks like you are dealing with it fairly well - by writing about it - which is good therapy - I wish you all the best into the future tetra -

Pedo's are the bastards that take a child's innocence and use it against them to achieve their disgusting aims - leaving mental wounds that often never heal -

I wrote about one of my experiences - coming face to face with 'Britain's Vilest Man' as he has been called in the newspaper - Douglas Slade -

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=329505
Tales of the 'Pork Pie Peadofile'...Douglas Slade (YUCK!)
 

NEW ENGLAND

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That post is a testament of how strong you are.
You have endured,and beat the odds just by being here.
I am glad you are.
 

Phaeton

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I expected a walk through on journeying in a pedophile catching site.

Four heart attacks and drinking a cup of coffee. Took a double hit of full plant extract and grabbed a keyboard.

Too soon, still have weeks, possibly months left, so maybe I'll talk about it later.

But I like the concept, even if I could not go along.
 
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