potency of BHO

[Hashmasta-Kut]

I really need to get a nice USB microscope so I can show you guys how much butane stripes from the plant matter.

And you didn't answer my question about the bulbous trichomes & the capitate-sessile trichomes....where do they go...?....they get striped I know that for sure.



No matter how many screens you use to refine it, it will still have a few stalks in it and a few bulbous & capitate-sessile trichomes in it too

i got a pic hold up...

 

[Misturemike]

next larg batch i will try the whipping method and tell you my results...if its as good as you say i'm excited.

 

[Cosmic Toker]

i don't know where the problem of having the trichomes disappearing from the plant arrises?

There is no problem with it, thats what you want.....but 2 of the 3 tricomes have very little to no THC in them and the 3rd one has a stalk that I would guess makes up 25% of the trichomes total mass and the stalk has very little THC in it.....so if you have 2 types of trichomes in your oil that have no THC and the stalks from the other trichome how would you have 97% THC

explain to me with merrit how seeing the discolored stripping in BHO means it is butane? and all BHO does not have the discolored areas.

The pics would show you how the butane bust open and strips trichomes...the pics would show that every kind off trichome is stripped with butane


Every little town in every single country or state has a person in it who knows a guy who knows a guy who has an uncle who took some bud or oils to a lab to be tested and they tested off the charts.....get out of here with your secret method shit kid, we're here to share what we know...you mrs. fields wanna'be

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

lol...

now i admit this isnt pure(there is some greenage) but look at the resin... its all balls..

 

[bounty29]

Wow.... what is that, exactly?

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

screened crystal balls. not oil. whole trichomes.

 

[Cosmic Toker]

Is that stuff you have on you now, HMK..?

If you spread it super thin on that same surface and took the pic again you would see more stalks.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

no man there is very close to no stalks in that batch, i have pics with stalks too. lots of them.

 

[Misturemike]

cosmic, i came here to share information, because you don't agree with me is fine. For you to be so ignorent and condesending shows a lot for your character however. if you feel the information i have provided you is false, feel free to go have your own samples tested. I am not stating this information as fact, it is from my personal experiance. To be so bold and claim an absolute is foolish and not in the best interesting for scientific advancement with cannabis. so now instead of calling me a "kid" i suggest either figure out on your own the composition of the oil or just go bark up a tree where you are supreme and know evreything.I'm sure that will appease your ego. in response to the trichomes where do you get your info on the 2 of 3 trichomes carry little or no thc? and perhaps maybe no thc but cannabidiol (CBD) or possibly cannabichromene (CBC) which are believed to be precursors to thc??? And this goes for everyone as well, i highly suggest you find a way to have a sample tested, for me it was the nail in the coffin that BHO is the best method of extraction to date.

HMK, thats looks like fun, e-mail me a toke....some day i hope

 

[Cosmic Toker]

Not sharing your "secret method" is acting like a kid....

CBG is the precursor

CBN, CBD....are from THC degradation

CBC is only found on sativas and some hybrids, also a precursor to THC

in response to the trichomes where do you get your info on the 2 of 3 trichomes carry little or no thc?

Robert Connell Clark and just about everything else I've ever read on the topic...google it

 

[Misturemike]

Not sharing your "secret method" is acting like a kid....

CBG is the precursor

CBN, CBD....are from THC degradation

CBC is only found on sativas and some hybrids, also a precursor to THC



Robert Connell Clark and just about everything else I've ever read on the topic...google it

if were getting technical

What defines drug strain cannabis is the plant's ability to convert cannabidiol (CBD) or possibly cannabichromene (CBC) into THC.1 If we as growers do not provide the plant with reason to make this conversion it likely will devote its energy elsewhere, to aid in its survival.

refrences
1) Starks, Michael. 1977. Marijuana Chemistry Genetics, Processing and Potency. Ronin Publishing, Inc., Berkeley, CA pp. 17-86.
2) McParland, Clarke, Watson. Hemp Diseases and Pests; management and biological control, CABI Publishing, New York, NY
3) Pate, DW, 1994. Chemical ecology of Cannabis. Journal of the International Hemp Association 2: 29, 32-37.
4) Kutscheid, 1973. Quantitative variation in chemical constituents of marihuana from stands of naturalized Cannabis sativa L. in east central Illinois. Economic Botany 27: 193-203.

THC is thought to be produced by the plant (Fig. 2, next page) from cannabidiol (CBD) which, in turn, is derived from cannabigerol (CBG) generated from non-cannabinoid precursors (Hammond and Mahlberg 1994, Shoyama et al. 1984, Turner and Mahlberg 1988).


as well, i feel as though if your main source of information is from one person i have to assume an extreme bias. allthough it is from a reputable source.

 

[Chiefsmokingbud]

Interesting info indeed. Fro my experience the stalks actually do not disolve (arguing a previous post). I use a 120 micron stainless screen on the end of my tube along with the other people on here that use the x-tractor. After i have done a run and removed the contents of the tube, just above the screen is a brownish white powder resembling kief. Under magnification, that powder is 100% stalks that did not make it to the oil.

 

[Hashmasta-Kut]

neat. with a second run of butane they probably will.

 

[jimbob420]

JUST SMOKE IT YO!!!

 

[gaiusmarius]

cool thread, interesting.

awesome pic Hashmasta-kut . you also CosmicToker, very cool pic

i can't believe how the trichome heads have kept their shape despite being melted from the product with butane.

maybe it depends if you grind your product or not? unground buds will probably give the cleanest oil with the least stalks and non active componants?

still enjoying the first batch i made, it will soon be time for another go, have some very resinny powdery bag rests which i want to run.

 

[Misturemike]

chief, correct you are, if you use a proper filter you will get no stalks, as they are vegitative matter, un-absorbed when extracting, and that "kief" is all stalks, i looked under a microscope as well.

HMK, i don't think they will, i usually do 3 runs out of a half once, the first 2 runs look exactally the same, the third run however is a little darker than the first 2 almost always. running whole nugs 1st run then, breaking it up 2nd, and grinding for 3rd, by the last run i only get .3 - .5g's... off a half once i total between 3 g's to an 8th.

gaiusmarius, it would be nice if that was a pic of butane, however it is screened, that why the trichomes appear in tact.

made a batch yesterday....1/2 zip of early girl. got 3.7 g's, above average yield.

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first blast chunk


first and 2nd blast pressed out, black line in the middle is where its cracked, not contaminated.


3rd blast, notice the darker color now

 

[gaiusmarius]

gaiusmarius, it would be nice if that was a pic of butane, however it is screened, that why the trichomes appear in tact.

yes that would be an explination for the wholeness of the trichome heads and stalks in those pics. dry sift or really nice bubble can look like that. thats why i was so amazed at those pics, thinking they are bho?

so whats the general opinion is it worth doing 2 runs with bho? i thought it was supposed to take all the active ingredients in one go?

 

[Misturemike]

i can only say try for yourself. also, notice if you do your first run with whole nugs or just broken up to fit you tube, you'll see after the first run if you take a nug out, break it in half and look you will see untouched trichomes, still glisening with all their might! as well if your buds were nice and stinky, you should still be able to squeeze a bud and still smell that danky aroma..there is still life to be sucked! let me focus on the fact this is when using whole buds that i do a 2nd and 3rd round of blasting. with trim one time is usually sufficient. hope this helps, and if you don't beleive you will get anymore on a second blast...just try it, it wont cost anything but time, a few bucks of butane, and the potential to get more golden goodness.

 

[Guest]

This thread is very interesting. I love BHO, yet so many people love to create controversy. It is definitely the strongest high for the buck. So what's your method Mrs. Fields? .. there won't be any competition, don't worry.....

*edit - HMK - those are some beautiful pics. I myself enjoy reflection pics alot and the one of you're BHo bubbling and the reflection is unbelievably well done, not to mention the macros. Respect on the pics...and BHo info, I learned from you and the Chief ...without you guys sharing your cookie secrets I would have never learned. There's always a kid on the playground who doesn't want to share the ball.

 

[Misturemike]

flamengo, i may just have to change my name to Mrs Fields. anywho, the method for purifying, involves redissolving, purging again, and then into a dehydrator(45-60 days). thats it in a nutshell. i'm sure through some expeimenting you can now figure out how to do this, and maybe better. hopefully by not telling you all exactally how to do this it will create an advancment in purification to that of 99.99999% wouldn't that be fun....thc straight up. good luck, post back results if anyone has success. good luck!

p.s. cosmic you don't have to get all angry and say you can't get 99.9999% its just a pipe dream of mine.