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Pot Triggers Psychotic Symptoms

pHrail

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What do you guys think of this in the news?

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20070501/D8ORHAKG0.html


May 1, 6:23 AM (ET)

By MARIA CHENG

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LONDON (AP) - New findings on marijuana's damaging effect on the brain show the drug triggers temporary psychotic symptoms in some people, including hallucinations and paranoid delusions, doctors say.

British doctors took brain scans of 15 healthy volunteers given small doses of two of the active ingredients of cannabis, as well as a placebo.

One compound, cannabidiol, or CBD, made people more relaxed. But even small doses of another component, tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, produced temporary psychotic symptoms in people, including hallucinations and paranoid delusions, doctors said.

The results, to be presented at an international mental health conference in London on Tuesday and Wednesday, provides physical evidence of the drug's damaging influence on the human brain.

"We've long suspected that cannabis is linked to psychoses, but we have never before had scans to show how the mechanism works," said Dr. Philip McGuire, a professor of psychiatry at King's College, London.

In analyzing MRI scans of the study's subjects, McGuire and his colleagues found that THC interfered with activity in the inferior frontal cortex, a region of the brain associated with paranoia.

"THC is switching off that regulator," McGuire said, effectively unleashing the paranoia usually kept under control by the frontal cortex.

In another study being presented at the conference, a two-day gathering of mental health experts discussing the connections between cannabis and mental health, scientists found that marijuana worsens psychotic symptoms of schizophrenics.

Doctors at Yale University in the U.S. tested the impact of THC on 150 healthy volunteers and 13 people with stable schizophrenia. Nearly half of the healthy subjects experienced psychotic symptoms when given the drug.

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While the doctors expected to see marijuana improve the conditions of their schizophrenic subjects - since their patients reported that the drug calmed them - they found that the reverse was true.

"I was surprised by the results," said Dr. Deepak Cyril D'Souza, an associate professor of psychiatry at Yale University's School of Medicine. "In practice, we found that cannabis is very bad for people with schizophrenia," he said.

While D'Souza had intended to study marijuana's impact on schizophrenics in more patients, the study was stopped prematurely because the impact was so pronounced that it would have been unethical to test it on more people with schizophrenia.

"One of the great puzzles is why people with schizophrenia keep taking the stuff when it makes the paranoia worse," said Dr. Robin Murray, a professor of psychiatry at King's College.

Experts theorized that schizophrenics may mistakenly judge the drug's pleasurable effects to outweigh any negatives.

Understanding how marijuana affects the brain may ultimately lead experts to a better understanding of mental health in general.

"We don't know the basis of paranoia or anxiety," said McGuire.

"It is possible that we could use cannabis in controlled studies to understand psychoses better," he said. McGuire theorized that could one day lead to specific drugs targeting the responsible regions of the brain.

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On the Net:

http://www.kcl.ac.uk/phpnews/wmview.php?ArtID1793
 
  1. They don't give actual numbers or percentages of the results from the first study, they just say "some." How many is some? 1-2-3... out of a mere 15? Is 15 really enough to bring a conclusive result?
  2. The studies don't actually use the plant. Rather, they are given "compounds" comprised of one or two of the components found within. When someone consumes the actual plant, the various components work in concert to produce the result, separating those components and then testing each component alone doesn't result in a study of marijuana itself, rather it results in a study of potential pharmaceuticals. To get honest results, they'd have to let those studied smoke, vape, or eat cannabis instead of their "compounds." If you tested a car without it's steering column, you wouldn't get a very good result with regard to its maneuverability, now would you?

I can't think of ONE person in all of my years who has hallucinated from or gotten paranoid delusions from marijuana. I have though, known people who suffer from these symptoms when they consume man made "compounds" that doctors and pharmaceutical companies pushed on them.

Did they conduct the tests in a country where marijuana is decriminalized or is it possible that the patients became paranoid because of the potential for being found to be under the influence of an illegal substance?

How susceptible are those studied to the power of suggestion? I met a guy once, he seemed really sweet and innocent. I liked that about him. At some point of the evening, we kissed. It was not a long, heavy, "french" kiss, but a peck on the lips. About 30 minutes later, he found out that I had done a hit of acid at the beginning of the evening. Within 5 minutes of learning that, he was freaking out, thinking that he was about to start hallucinating and experiencing symptoms to the point that he had to go home and go to bed! Yeah, I never went out with him after that. :laugh2: If they gave people like this guy their "compounds" and then told him that he would experience heart failure, he would likely wind up experiencing heart failure!

Another article claimed that withdrawl from pot included vomiting and hallucinations. Does ANYONE know ANYONE who got that sick from marijuana withdrawl or is it more like caffiene withdrawl, cranky for a day or two then done.

If these guys want to be taken seriously, then they need to refrain from embellishing, especially when it's something that everyone knows not to be the case.

I don't think I've seen one completely honest article in the past week
 
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NserUame

Member
Wait, so crazy people act crazy on weed...no shit. I don't know if it's true or not, but everyone has been paranoid at some point or other after getting too high. It stands to reason those feelings would worsen an already persistent problem. Especially if the people aren't regular useres that are used to the effect. Not saying pot's bad, but it's no secret it's not for everyone, this might be an example.

On the other hand I'm sure there's a few people that weren't in the study who find the plant eases their symptoms.
 

Storm Crow

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How about this?

How about this?

Cannabis Chemical Curbs Psychotic Symptoms

http://cannabisnews.com/news/22/thread22934.shtml

I tend to think this article is more on target! We need breeders to grow high CBD cannabis, too! A while back, there was a doctor in Australia who got busted for growing a lot of low THC cannabis. I wonder if he was trying for a high CBD cannabis? CBD has its own medical uses, apparently.
 

pHrail

Member
Stoney Mama, great point, just saw that article and thought I would share. Those strong sativas will get you though. I've had a strong sativa throw me into panic attacks. As far as hallucinations, well marijuana is a hallucinogenic this is nothing new. As far as causing psychosis, perhaps temporarily for some. I do think the cannabis genetics have a huge part as to the effects, as to cannabis that has been grown correctly. Cannabis that is harvested a bit too early seems to leave something lingering in the body, and seems to cause a bit of anxiety for myself. Good point about the legality also. This whole stigma put on the herb and because of the legality, makes everyone a little paranoid. We have been brainwashed to be paranoid because of legal reasons, and of course smoking it, especially for avid smokers would trigger that paranoid reaction due to behavioral conditioning.
 

genkisan

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What a total load of stinking bat feces.



It makes me violently fucking sick to see how all these "expert" Corpo-Nazi puppets perpetuate the myth and lie that MJ is illegal because it is such a dangerous drug, and the real reasons are never even mentioned.

Evil fascist Corpo-Nazi malignant goatfucking exploitative lickers of rancid moose jizz.........
 

pHrail

Member
Storm Crow said:
Cannabis Chemical Curbs Psychotic Symptoms

http://cannabisnews.com/news/22/thread22934.shtml

I tend to think this article is more on target! We need breeders to grow high CBD cannabis, too! A while back, there was a doctor in Australia who got busted for growing a lot of low THC cannabis. I wonder if he was trying for a high CBD cannabis? CBD has its own medical uses, apparently.

Know what would be nice, is if ICMag and the community here, would specifically separate the high CBD strains from the high THC strains to help educated more cannabis growers and users. I think this is very important, as a lot of people get turned off because of a bad "trip" so to speak. And rather than being educated, they deem that all marijuana acts this way on the body, when it is in fact false.

Now can this be attributed to Indica vs Sativa? I'm not so sure, perhaps, but I think classifying this defining line between CBD and THC strains would be nice. If I want to trip, I'd drop a hit of LSD or some Mushrooms, I'm not personally wanting to be thrown to that "level" from smoking cannabis. Growing yourself is really the only key to this. Know your strains, know how it effects you, but for some that can only get on the street, it's hit or miss. You never know the genetics and until you take that first few hits, you're playing russian roulette.
 

Dan42nepa

Member
if i wasnt worried about being arrested i would never be paranoid.. this bullshit has been around forever.. The gateway drug leading to heroin.. men will grow breasts, this stuff actually helped me when I was young, realize that there is so much bullshit printed and to question what I am told and what I read.. Since I knew it was all propaganda.
 

robobond

Future Psychopharmacologist
It's been known for years that pot triggers psychotic symptoms in individuals who are already unstable or have latent psychosis. Same with lsd or any other hallucinogen. However they don't cause psychosis you have to already have it latent or be unstable. They only drug I could say truly causes psychosis would be meth. Coke can also cause paranoia. Oddly enough I think more stimulants can trigger psychosis then hallucinogens because they seem to effect dopamine levels more often in the areas of the brain linked to such psychological behavior.
 
G

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Does it seem like the propaganda has been stepped up latley bashing ganja? It seems every other day theres a new report on how bad it is. WTF!
 

robobond

Future Psychopharmacologist
HazeToker said:
Does it seem like the propaganda has been stepped up latley bashing ganja? It seems every other day theres a new report on how bad it is. WTF!

Theres been good news too. No link between marijuana and lung cancer and marijuana reduces risk of alzheimers comes to mind.
 
G

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Funny how these reports never cite the cannabis source or even the strain. One strain has certain effects totally different from others. That's like saying beer drinking has less effects than whiskey, even though it's all alchohol. Some are fine drunk on beer but total asshats on whiskey - same with cannabis.

I'm sure these reports are all based on the finest nugs grown by the best breeders and they all get stock from them. They have a huge cannabis bank with which to run these tests and the results never skew. Funny how a brain scan isn't admissible evidence in a court of law yet it's perfectly acceptable to use as further support for Reefer Madness.....
 
G

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robobond said:
Theres been good news too. No link between marijuana and lung cancer and marijuana reduces risk of alzheimers comes to mind.


That is true but, who else knows about the "good" studies other than people willing to seek it out? It seems the good reports dont get any media coverage other than whats on the net. and whats on the net dosent even reach half of the country. But, you will find fox news running pot 2.0 and other bad stories on the tv channels everyday. I doont need studies to tell me about something Ive spent 25 years doing but the ignorant voters need to hear the good reports so maybe they can have a change of heart? What Im saying is if they ran the good studies on tv people might really see how wrong they have been for many many years. The net is great source of info for those who want to find it or those who have access but thats not the majority and you need majority for any kind of change.
 

nycdfan042

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genkisan said:
What a total load of stinking bat feces.



It makes me violently fucking sick to see how all these "expert" Corpo-Nazi puppets perpetuate the myth and lie that MJ is illegal because it is such a dangerous drug, and the real reasons are never even mentioned.

Evil fascist Corpo-Nazi malignant goatfucking exploitative lickers of rancid moose jizz.........
lol
 

Nikijad4210

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genkisan said:
goatfucking exploitative lickers of rancid moose jizz.........
Wow....There's a new one from ya.


I have to agree, correlation nor causation has been proven, hence above all, these jackass "scientists" should remember Science Rule Numero Uno:

Correlation does NOT equate causation.
 

Playaction

Member
Are the levels of CBD connected to the "ripeness" of the strain? Harvest early=less CBD...later=more CBD??? or is it another compound
 

Nikijad4210

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Play, considering this is the same medical sector that erroniously claims cannabis has a THC content of 40%, I highly, highly doubt they actually measured anything at all beyond bud weight (if they even measured that)
 

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