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Does pollinating femmed plants create abnormalities in future progeny?
Does pollinating femmed plants create abnormalities in future progeny?
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Pollination of Femmed Plants
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revegeta666
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Most of the breeding that's being done nowadays uses feminized plants.
I'm just sitting here with my morning 'joe and my mind started wandering.. reversing and feminizing is monkeying around with Mother Nature's playbook. I wondered if this screwing around would introduce some type of weird mutations or increased possibility of hermaphroditism.
The only dumb question is the question that goes unasked.
revegeta666
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It's common for people to think seeds made with feminised plants are more prone to hermaphroditism. Breeders who use feminized plants all swear there is no increased risk of herms as long as the parentals are stable. There is no increased chance of mutations that I know of. If anything there can be some loss of vigour when using selfed seeds, due to inbreeding.I'm just sitting here with my morning 'joe and my mind started wandering.. reversing and feminizing is monkeying around with Mother Nature's playbook. I wondered if this screwing around would introduce some type of weird mutations or increased possibility of hermaphroditism.
The only dumb question is the question that goes unasked.
A different issue is the biggest part of the seed market at least here in Europe is made of shitty repackaging companies who all sell the same trash bulk fem/auto seeds with different names, at an inflated price. I wouldn't ever buy seeds from companies like that. There are breeders who work with feminized seeds that are honest and deliver a quality product.
But I grow 99% regular seeds, for the same reason you mention. I like doing things as naturally as possible and I love growing as a hobby so I like having males and females, sexing them, discarding the males, pollen chucking etc. Males are part of growing is the way I see it.
I feel as long as you have a decent stash, the increased work and cost of growing regular seeds is negligible. The only time I grow feminized seeds is if my stash is low and I want to get to harvest as quick as possible, or if I want to try new genetics that are only available in fem seeds. Like right now I am starting to get interested in CBD, so I have a few CBD fem seeds to check them out. If I like them I will start looking into regulars for the future.
Ok.. coffee is really starting to work on me..
Reversing and Conservative Values..
From what I understand Conservative Values dictate that there are only 2 sexes -- Male & Female. Anything *trans* is an abomination and a sin. God made Adam & Eve not Adam & Steve...
Now, when reversing a female into a male is it hypocritical for a Conservative to do such a thing? After a reversal what is the proper pronoun for such a plant? What bathroom should it use?
BTW, French Vanilla coffee creamer is the bombiggity.
Reversing and Conservative Values..
From what I understand Conservative Values dictate that there are only 2 sexes -- Male & Female. Anything *trans* is an abomination and a sin. God made Adam & Eve not Adam & Steve...
Now, when reversing a female into a male is it hypocritical for a Conservative to do such a thing? After a reversal what is the proper pronoun for such a plant? What bathroom should it use?
BTW, French Vanilla coffee creamer is the bombiggity.
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I agree with @revegeta666 except that I would say that they routinely lie about stable parents, which is why people think poorly of it at times, or at least that’s my perspective. A lot of my younger friends have had issues with some of the random fem lines being unstable.
revegeta666
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If I had known this is what you meant I wouldn't have bothered trying to give you a reasoned answer. Using regular or feminised seeds should be a choice made based on personal preference or convenience, not politics or religion.
Not reversing plants because they are "trans" and that would make you a bad conservative is just fucking weird and I would check your french vanilla coffee creamer for traces of LSD.
Wow, man.. I surmise that you dont have much of a sense of humor. My OP was a serious question. My follow up post was an exhibition of my comedic talents.
Apologies if you're offended.
revegeta666
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Offended? Now that's funny. Fair enough if your original question was serious
Just seemed like a weird follow up after my 4 paragraph answer.the thing about feminized plants is they're perceived as artificial
and no, they aren't
cannabis expresses intersex normally, a plot of cannabis outdoors is going to have a number of male flowers on the females
and there will be (some)feminized seeds, that's normal for cannabis
haven't seen this tested for as such, i.e. which seeds pollinated by males versus hermie blooms
but would be an interesting paper
and no, they aren't
cannabis expresses intersex normally, a plot of cannabis outdoors is going to have a number of male flowers on the females
and there will be (some)feminized seeds, that's normal for cannabis
haven't seen this tested for as such, i.e. which seeds pollinated by males versus hermie blooms
but would be an interesting paper
Stable as in phenotype or sexuality?
revegeta666
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He means sexually stable.
See, what is bringing me to the (serious) question is that I have a Thai A5 Haze (fem) that I am growing fond of. I'd like to hit her with some Kona Gold IBL dust. I was just wondering if there will be some bizarre things happening in the future.
revegeta666
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You should be fine. If anything, there would be more risk of hermaphroditism due to the Thai genetics, than feminisation. As @igrowone said hermaphroditism is a natural part of cannabis that has been bred out over time, but Thai lines are known for these traits being triggered easier than most others. If you grow pure sativas indoors, hermaphroditism is not uncommon and something you get used to. But Thai especially.
Imagine the worst case scenario was true - generations of female only breeding led to weird, weak plants, solely because the male plants carry some hidden set of genes necessary for the plants to stay 'normal' over the generations.
Even then, you'd have a very simple strategy to rescue your line, preserving as much of the directional work you've made as possible... outcross with a male!
Even then, you'd have a very simple strategy to rescue your line, preserving as much of the directional work you've made as possible... outcross with a male!
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Personally I don’t breed with fems beyond one or two seed generation for easy flower production, and then once the seeds are gone you start again from regular parent stock. I thinks a useful tool if used appropriately but I agree that female only breedings is going to tank the genetic pool eventually. Males have always been necessary and breeders dont pay enough attention to them as it it, eliminating them entirely is just troublesome.
I was thinking about dusting the fem with straight male pollen and then just work a line the normal old fashioned hetero way .. (again, no offense intended to anyone in general).
Reversals are a pain, but I have never seen any evidence that males are required in a breeding program. The evidence strikes the other way - female genes demonstrably carry everything we value in the plant, whether or not they have a male parent.
For males to matter, they must carry invisible genes that act in females, over generations, as some kind of protective but unmeasurable influence. How would that work? What known genetic mechanisms could underlie it?
Don’t get me wrong - as with any breeding strategy, there are more than enough ways to fail. But, the clear advantages from a genetic and selection point of view mean that selfing will continue to be a major tool for most breeders.
For males to matter, they must carry invisible genes that act in females, over generations, as some kind of protective but unmeasurable influence. How would that work? What known genetic mechanisms could underlie it?
Don’t get me wrong - as with any breeding strategy, there are more than enough ways to fail. But, the clear advantages from a genetic and selection point of view mean that selfing will continue to be a major tool for most breeders.
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Lol non taken man. Sounds good to me it’s definitely douable over time.I was thinking about dusting the fem with straight male pollen and then just work a line the normal old fashioned hetero way .. (again, no offense intended to anyone in general).
