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Poll shows Cali voters favor legalization
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Fun Facts
Fun Facts
Percentage of likely California voters surveyed who support a proposed initiative that would legalize cannabis for recreational use: 49 (Source: May Public Policy Institute of California poll).
Percentage of likely California voters surveyed who oppose a proposed initiative that would legalize cannabis for recreational use: 48 (Source: May Public Policy Institute of California poll).
Estimated U.S. tax dollars (in billions) that would be saved by legalizing cannabis: 13.7 (Source: Dr. Jeffrey A. Miron, “The Budgetary Implications of Drug Prohibition”).
Estimated annual cost (in dollars) to U.S. taxpayers for arresting, convicting and imprisoning one nonviolent drug offender: 450,000 (Source: Schaffer Library of Drug Policy).
Estimated cost (in dollars) to every U.S. citizen to pay off the national debt: 45,000 (Source: U.S. Congressional Budget Office).
Current U.S. federal deficit (in billions of dollars): 714 (Source: U.S. Department of the Treasury).
Dollar amount (in millions) for the first U.S. Drug War budget, in 1970: 100 (Source: Associated Press).
Dollar amount (in billions) for the current U.S Drug War budget: 15.1 (Source: Associated Press).
Dollar amount (in trillions) of America’s 40-year war on drugs: 1 (Source: Associated Press).
Percentage of electricity used by Colorado dispensaries that would have to be obtained from solar or wind power under new state regulations: 100 (Source: Daily Camera newspaper).
Number of other Colorado industries required to obtain 100 percent of their energy from solar or wind power: 0 (Source: Daily Camera newspaper).
Number of Los Angeles cannabis dispensaries that will be forced to shut down this month under the city’s medical-marijuana ordinance: 439 (Source: L.A. City Attorney’s Office).
Percentage change for California marijuana possession arrests from 1990 to 2008: +127 (Source: Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice).
Percentage change for California rape arrests between 1990 to 2008: -67 (Source: Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice).
Ratio of California marijuana possession arrests among all other drug arrests in the state: 1 in 4 (Source: Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice).
Ratio of women imprisoned in California in 2008 for simple marijuana possession versus other drug-related imprisonments: 6 in 10 (Source: Criminal Justice Statistics Center).
Ratio of men imprisoned in California in 2008 for simple marijuana possession versus other drug-related imprisonments: 1 in 2 (Source: Criminal Justice Statistics Center).
Simple marijuana possession arrests per every 100,000 residents in Contra Costa County in 2008: 42 (Source: Criminal Justice Statistics Center).
Simple marijuana possession arrests per every 100,000 residents in Orange County in 2008: 238 (Source: Criminal Justice Center).
Fun Facts
Percentage of likely California voters surveyed who support a proposed initiative that would legalize cannabis for recreational use: 49 (Source: May Public Policy Institute of California poll).
Percentage of likely California voters surveyed who oppose a proposed initiative that would legalize cannabis for recreational use: 48 (Source: May Public Policy Institute of California poll).
Estimated U.S. tax dollars (in billions) that would be saved by legalizing cannabis: 13.7 (Source: Dr. Jeffrey A. Miron, “The Budgetary Implications of Drug Prohibition”).
Estimated annual cost (in dollars) to U.S. taxpayers for arresting, convicting and imprisoning one nonviolent drug offender: 450,000 (Source: Schaffer Library of Drug Policy).
Estimated cost (in dollars) to every U.S. citizen to pay off the national debt: 45,000 (Source: U.S. Congressional Budget Office).
Current U.S. federal deficit (in billions of dollars): 714 (Source: U.S. Department of the Treasury).
Dollar amount (in millions) for the first U.S. Drug War budget, in 1970: 100 (Source: Associated Press).
Dollar amount (in billions) for the current U.S Drug War budget: 15.1 (Source: Associated Press).
Dollar amount (in trillions) of America’s 40-year war on drugs: 1 (Source: Associated Press).
Percentage of electricity used by Colorado dispensaries that would have to be obtained from solar or wind power under new state regulations: 100 (Source: Daily Camera newspaper).
Number of other Colorado industries required to obtain 100 percent of their energy from solar or wind power: 0 (Source: Daily Camera newspaper).
Number of Los Angeles cannabis dispensaries that will be forced to shut down this month under the city’s medical-marijuana ordinance: 439 (Source: L.A. City Attorney’s Office).
Percentage change for California marijuana possession arrests from 1990 to 2008: +127 (Source: Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice).
Percentage change for California rape arrests between 1990 to 2008: -67 (Source: Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice).
Ratio of California marijuana possession arrests among all other drug arrests in the state: 1 in 4 (Source: Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice).
Ratio of women imprisoned in California in 2008 for simple marijuana possession versus other drug-related imprisonments: 6 in 10 (Source: Criminal Justice Statistics Center).
Ratio of men imprisoned in California in 2008 for simple marijuana possession versus other drug-related imprisonments: 1 in 2 (Source: Criminal Justice Statistics Center).
Simple marijuana possession arrests per every 100,000 residents in Contra Costa County in 2008: 42 (Source: Criminal Justice Statistics Center).
Simple marijuana possession arrests per every 100,000 residents in Orange County in 2008: 238 (Source: Criminal Justice Center).
I think the point that is being missed, is that at this time, they do not arrest you for under an ounce of cannabis-- However, I do believe they use citations written in their stats for "arrests"...and they also count ppl that were arrested for other things, that had Cannabis on them at the time, much the way they use Court ordered Rehab to pad the stats on ppl "seeking" Rehab for Cannabis--
Also...let us not forget, if you have more than an oz with you after this passes...you will still be arrested--
I will say tho, that one of the great aspects of this initiative is that we can have more in our homes...that is the best part of the whole thing--
I still feel this is a bad Bill, but because of the provision that it can be tweeked later, I will prolly (reluctantly) vote for this--
Still afraid it will bite us in the ass...but I am slowly coming to the "Gotta start somewhere" crowd--
I urge every toker in Cali to get their medical recommendation...as insurance--
Also...let us not forget, if you have more than an oz with you after this passes...you will still be arrested--
I will say tho, that one of the great aspects of this initiative is that we can have more in our homes...that is the best part of the whole thing--
I still feel this is a bad Bill, but because of the provision that it can be tweeked later, I will prolly (reluctantly) vote for this--
Still afraid it will bite us in the ass...but I am slowly coming to the "Gotta start somewhere" crowd--
I urge every toker in Cali to get their medical recommendation...as insurance--
D4sh3y
Member
"Whether you like it or not, whether it is the best initiative or not, whether or not it meets your particular standard really doesn’t matter.
Tax and regulate is about legalization. We cannot let this lose. We owe legalization to the world because after California legalizes many other states will follow.You know as a Californian that whatever happens here in California travels to the rest of the world.
We have had good and bad things to offer. Reagan: that’s a bad thing. Legalizing medical marijuana: that’s a great thing. Now we have a chance to do another great thing. LEGALIZE IT. How can anybody think that they might vote no?
Are these the American colonists who sided with the British? Can you imagine saying to a friend, “you know, I had a chance to vote for legal marijuana, but I voted no.” Would you vote yourself into slavery? That isn't a light analogy, because we live in a police state, and one of the ways the police enforce their power is this noxious law, the law against marijuana.
Every marijuana user owes it to themselves and their friends and to their fellow marijuana users to vote and convince everyone else around them to vote. " -Ed Rosenthal
Tax and regulate is about legalization. We cannot let this lose. We owe legalization to the world because after California legalizes many other states will follow.You know as a Californian that whatever happens here in California travels to the rest of the world.
We have had good and bad things to offer. Reagan: that’s a bad thing. Legalizing medical marijuana: that’s a great thing. Now we have a chance to do another great thing. LEGALIZE IT. How can anybody think that they might vote no?
Are these the American colonists who sided with the British? Can you imagine saying to a friend, “you know, I had a chance to vote for legal marijuana, but I voted no.” Would you vote yourself into slavery? That isn't a light analogy, because we live in a police state, and one of the ways the police enforce their power is this noxious law, the law against marijuana.
Every marijuana user owes it to themselves and their friends and to their fellow marijuana users to vote and convince everyone else around them to vote. " -Ed Rosenthal
most of middle america HATES california...the last thing the red states want is to become liberal hotbeds and believe it or not the legalization issue of marijuana is not that favored in most states. to most of the nation we are a state of illegal immigrant loving, anti constitutional, heavily taxed, pot smoking hippys.
i dont see the other 50 jumping on the bandwagon..maybe CO and a couple of select states will join cali, but certain places will not vote for legalization.
"You know as a Californian that whatever happens here in California travels to the rest of the world."
this is the typical california mindset "the rest of the nation loves us and wants to change with us..." not really so. we are only one part of the country, and unforunately most parts are not medical marijuana friendly.
its gonna create a huge black market in california where people will travel here for cheap pot to smuggle back to the red states.
CaptainTrips
Active member
I doubt this will happen, just for that reason... cali produces won't want their weed being taken out of state (unless they do it themselves lol) so prices probably won't change a whole lot... same principle legal disps supposedly use to keep their weed off the street lol
superbolan
Active member
Don't you think the MMJ scene in Cali had an effect on the other states approving it, the same will happen with legalization
---they may not like cali...but when they see the money ca makes, and they will, change will occur everywhere. evvvvveeeryyyywhhhheeere...again, we arent talking about the day after, it will take time...but until attitudes start to change, laws will not. and nothing changes the attitudes of middle america like a hundred million in tax revenues gained and a hundred million in tax revenues NOT spent on jailing people for herb. and yes, i just pulled those numbers outta my ass, but you get the point.
^the thing is...even with their budgets 100 million positive in revenue and a 100 million negative in expenses, the california financial system is STILL FUCKED.
Most likely, the politicians will use that new revenue to pay for more stupid programs that they already waste tons of money on.
Look at bridge tolls, parking tickets, fines, etc, they have all risen 50% or more in the last 10 years and the budget is STILL FUCKED.
Its a 100 million dollars out of thepeoples pockets into the irresponsible governments pockets.
Unless dispensarys directly pay taxes to programs that fund education, etc, there is no way to know how that extra revenue will affect things.
Oakland still looks like shit after all the money RIchard Lee tossed into government coffers, my bet is that most of it went into politician bank accounts to pay for their boats and vacation houses and other lovely perks.
Most likely, the politicians will use that new revenue to pay for more stupid programs that they already waste tons of money on.
Look at bridge tolls, parking tickets, fines, etc, they have all risen 50% or more in the last 10 years and the budget is STILL FUCKED.
Its a 100 million dollars out of thepeoples pockets into the irresponsible governments pockets.
Unless dispensarys directly pay taxes to programs that fund education, etc, there is no way to know how that extra revenue will affect things.
Oakland still looks like shit after all the money RIchard Lee tossed into government coffers, my bet is that most of it went into politician bank accounts to pay for their boats and vacation houses and other lovely perks.
Still sounds better than 200 million negative....
pot will NOT help cali's deficit! the only thing going to help that cesspool is reduction of spending and stiff the freaking banks on the debt!
What? are cali growers going to float the debt so that cali can recover? Bullshite! would be nice, but...from what i've read here, taxes on pot barely even pay the interest on the deficit....but that's not really the point is it?
Agreed this is a step in the right direction, and that direction is the LEGALIZATION of herb, and not just in the few states who have gotten past medical angles.
However, the liability the feds face upon legalization for incarcerating innocents will deter any attempts at federal declassification or reschedualing. Imagine the class action suits promulgated by the multitude of victims. The feds have alot at stake. Are they going to roll over? not!
To win this war we must fight. Each battle has a cumulative effect, whether you win or lose. We have won the right to self medicate, now let's win the fight to recreate!
What? are cali growers going to float the debt so that cali can recover? Bullshite! would be nice, but...from what i've read here, taxes on pot barely even pay the interest on the deficit....but that's not really the point is it?
Agreed this is a step in the right direction, and that direction is the LEGALIZATION of herb, and not just in the few states who have gotten past medical angles.
However, the liability the feds face upon legalization for incarcerating innocents will deter any attempts at federal declassification or reschedualing. Imagine the class action suits promulgated by the multitude of victims. The feds have alot at stake. Are they going to roll over? not!
To win this war we must fight. Each battle has a cumulative effect, whether you win or lose. We have won the right to self medicate, now let's win the fight to recreate!
B
Brain
Prop 19 does not open the door for legalization. It will make it much harder if not impossible in the long run. Prop 19 was written by and for large scale producers. Once these large companies gain control do you think they will let it go without a fight? No way. Look how they have inserted themselves into the Oakland city councils pocket. Politicians will do almost anything when you grease their wheels. They want it just legal enough to sell 1 oz sacks but not so legal that anybody anywhere can produce and possess as much as they like. That would be bad for their business.
As was already said several times in the thread, it doesn't grant us anymore freedoms yet makes some laws stricter and that is a step in the wrong direction.
I am for legalization not corpratization.
Please read the bill people before you believe the hype.
A real legalization bill will be on the ballot by 2012. Written for the benefit of citizens not businesses.
BigBudBill
Member
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.
For those who dont understand: It's better to have a small actual advantage than the chance of a greater one.
For those who dont understand: It's better to have a small actual advantage than the chance of a greater one.
BigBudBill
Member
Could you please link a source for that? I am interested in what is in the works IF 19 fails.
