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Police sends everybody out of the Rokerij
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HashishinReidi
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You are right gm i dont like the idea of id cards in the uk , But we are on about Holland here . i dont agree with under age toking ie 15 and 16 year olds being able to toke in coffie shops .When the age limit set is from 18.The reason alot ofthe coffie shops got shut down was simple they did not follow the rules set in place .There was also a mayor in one town, and he wanted . He wanted people to be able to grow the stuff .Some in power do want togo Backwards but most dont.But when folks who are not dutch ,start making a fuss in there cafes about having id check.It does not help the dutch at all or the cafe .Thats all i am saying .
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AriesXX
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I was in London when the tube bombings occured, ever wonder if maybe there was something bigger going on than some bored cops hassling stoners? There are probably a lot of really shady folks in Amsterdam, just like anywhere.
(Wow, just realized how bad this sounds. An American sees someones rights being infringed and assumes The Man is doing it for your own good. Need to do more thinking and less reacting I guess)
(Wow, just realized how bad this sounds. An American sees someones rights being infringed and assumes The Man is doing it for your own good. Need to do more thinking and less reacting I guess)
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G
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hey newsflash ariesxx there IS something bigger going on....
Pah, shady characters! according to bush 2/3 of the world are shady characters.
don't let the media brain wash you. people every where have the same basic desires. there is no horde, just waiting for bush to look the other way.
if you would research the london bombings yourself instead of trusting fox, you would notice that there is indeed some thing bigger going on and it is some thing sinister as all hell. and it sure doesn't originate in the east.
remember the old adage, divide and conquer. remember the other one; fear is the worst counselor.
say no to one world government !
sorry for the rant, but all this assuming the worst of people just because they are in a coffee shop instead of a bar pisses me off.
don't let the media brain wash you. people every where have the same basic desires. there is no horde, just waiting for bush to look the other way.
if you would research the london bombings yourself instead of trusting fox, you would notice that there is indeed some thing bigger going on and it is some thing sinister as all hell. and it sure doesn't originate in the east.
remember the old adage, divide and conquer. remember the other one; fear is the worst counselor.
say no to one world government !
sorry for the rant, but all this assuming the worst of people just because they are in a coffee shop instead of a bar pisses me off.
Hmm, shady people.
bullseye said:
hehe, too right bullseye
the cats out of the bag now, eh?
I got a couple things to say, firstly,i know in the county i reside if a cop wants to question you the only info you HAVE to give is Name, DOB and in most cases, your address of residence. Anything else you don't have to comment. If i was in a coffee shop i wouldn't mind showing ID, but then again, what is the LEOs purpose of being there. Intimidation?? I don't know, never been in the situation..
Don't believe everything the media says about the so called "War on terror" and the silly scare tatics employed by worldwide governements through media outlets. Along the lines of what hitler once said "A lie told enough times becomes a truth". Be safe people and as gaiusmarius said fear is the worst counselor. Don't let the powers that be take away our freedom and privacy. Down with the NWO.
Don't believe everything the media says about the so called "War on terror" and the silly scare tatics employed by worldwide governements through media outlets. Along the lines of what hitler once said "A lie told enough times becomes a truth". Be safe people and as gaiusmarius said fear is the worst counselor. Don't let the powers that be take away our freedom and privacy. Down with the NWO.
Flasht2
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gaiusmarius said:those numbers you posted are a great example of the repression that has been happening over the years. this is the whole point, where does it stop? recently some dutch minister was quoted saying, that he expected holland to be the same as the rest of europe in 10 years from now, when it comes to coffee shops and cannabis use.
the conservative politicians have been waging war on the cannabis community for ages, every new rule they make has served to close down more shops.
the other thing i'm surprised to hear from you is the tolerance for so called id. when i was growing up all my english mates and their dads used to take the piss out of the german id laws and now look where they are? an englishman has to carry id in his own country.
like i said let them check those that really look young. But whats with all this routine checking? why check a guy who is obviously of age? just indiscriminatly checking everyone, is like saying; you are all potential criminals! without the least bit of proof, or suspicion. when you allow that, then you have adopted a police state. the law should never be allowed to act without proof or at least suspicion. typical sign of the times, when preemptive wars are ok, then i suppose id checks are a small thing.
there again, if we meekly submit, then the next thing will be routine searches and routine name collection of customers, then maybe a law against tourists buying in coffee shops? and on and on, one has to say stop.
i won't even go into the potential dangers of forcing the young 16 to 17 to buy from shady junky dealers in the back aleys. in principal i agree they shouldn't start smoking till 18, but if they do is it wise to make them get their shit from the drug dealers in the street? that's the problem, it puts them in touch with a lot of other heavier drugs that they wouldn't have gotten to know in a coffee shop. but at least the dutch kids know, they just have to wait to be 18 and they can enjoy cannabis if they want to, so it's not such a big deal like in countries where it's totally illegal.
anyway do not misunderstand i am in no way promoting underage toking, just saying that their are many sides to most situations and they all need to be considered.
it's cool to be chatting with ya Hashishin mate, i hope we meet this time at the 420.
Was going to cut that up and post but it's just good to read the entire thing again. I only wish to submit this thought about the entire "underage" smoking part:
Who cares? Why is there even an "underage" limit? What year is it ok in a humans life to smoke?
I'd say that at least 90% of the members on this site agree that it's totally non toxic for the human body... the part that's not said though is "at ANY age". So if I wouldn't shudder at the thought of my pregnant lady vaporizing w/me (which she wont touch the stuff but whatever) then why would a 12 year old not be able to have herb? IF ITS TOTALLY HARMLESS TO A HUMAN? Just need to be clear on that cuz I know I will take flack for this position.
If you truly feel it's harmless then why would an age matter. What if kids had weed instead of extremely dangerous drugs for A.D.D. and such? Maybe they wouldn't become psychitzos... who knows.
But anyways, just chiming in on that age limit thing.
yeah an age limit is good if it really works, and doesn't just mean that the kids buy their stuff on the black market. when you are still growing and developing it's not really advisable to smoke mind altering substances until your mind and body are at least half way mature. specially as most young will smoke tobacco joints, which is doubtlessly harmful. but in the end i think it's safer for 16 year old to smoke in a coffee shop, or with other adult supervision, rather then being sucked into the whole drug scene just because they are curious about the effects of thc.
we all know that the forbidden is always extra attractive to teenagers. rational education is the way to go.
we all know that the forbidden is always extra attractive to teenagers. rational education is the way to go.
Flasht2
Member
bounty29 said:
Perhaps. Perhaps not. What if being under the effects of herb while your mind is still developing prevents certain socially instilled blocks and the youth can actually out imagine or out think because of less mental boundaries? I dunno just taking an opposing side, perhaps due to this blueberry and my vaporizor.
