Please help my sorry seedlings!

[CaptJamesTKirk]

Don't forget there is a constrictor band around the roots in the form of what's left of a peat pot.

I know what that does for people.......................

 

[Megawattfarmer]

Ugggh. I knew I should have stopped at the first scoop of water... The way the soil is (too heavy - wish I had added more pearlite, but couldn't find any) they don't drain that well anyway. The soil had dried and seperated from the pot so as soon as I poured water in it came out the bottom - therefore I didn't really know how much more to pour in. They sat with water in the saucers under the pots for about an hour to see if they would suck it up. The soil absorbed almost all of the water, then I emptied out the saucers and cleaned up.

God fish ferts stink!!! My house reaks.

- 1toke, thanks for joining in. Pics were taken the morning after watering. It's funny, the transplant or overwatering seems to have affected the 9 plants differently. The bagseeds seem to be just fine, one flo is very droopy and the others are in the middle.

-Capt
Errrr. I was wondering about those peat pots! I wanted to take them off, but was talked out of it. We did rip the sides all the way down to the bottom and kind of laid it in there. I took the peat pot off of one of them, but don't remember which of course. I added a couple more very small drain holes to the pots to attempt to get a little more air to the soil since the mix is so heavy. Hopefully that will dry the roots a lttle - but not too much.

Man, the first time I grew it was like falling out of bed. Everything just grew like crazy. I guess that's why I don't do this professionally. lol

 

[CaptJamesTKirk]

What we have here is Over Attentive Disorder.

tell me if this sounds right - Gee - I'll bet they are REALLY thirsty -- oh ohh - why not add some and some.


uhhhh huh.

First rule of bud-ness - cut that shit out!


now,,


Good news is,,, well there isn't much.

Fuck it - un-do the repot - peel the jiffy pot off and drop them into a smaller pot - just a little larger than the jiffy pot was; add the pearlite if you have it - and let them stabilize.

FOR A WEEK OR BETTER Water - if and only if they need it -

Otherwise they will need to grow gills - and I don't think we have that long.

 

[10k]

I have to agree with mtf-sandman here folks.
I split and binned that little spat between members and remind everyone that they need to look at the TOU here, paying particular attention to section #4, but especially #12

http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=22692

I'd really hate to see anyone leave over a silly conflict.

 

[MTF-Sandman]

Glad you're plants are looking better Megawattfarmer. Keep us posted on how they progress

 

[Megawattfarmer]

MTF
Thanks. I hope that they start to progress. Damn this has been a frustrating grow. One of them is on deaths doorstep. Too much water to the roots I guess. I thought we had a pretty good soil mix when we transplanted them, but we couldn't find any pearlite to add. There is some in the "large grocery store" brand potting soil that we bought, but not 10% like I would like.

They just don't seem to be growing. I had been thinking about a re-re-pot as the Captain suggested, but I was hoping I wouldn't have to go to that extreme. Don't know if I could find anything better to pot them in right now anyway. Being in a small town in the off growing season is not good for finding supplies...

I definitely have a low humidity. I live in a very dry climate and can't seem to get that RH up. Right now i have a towel wicking out of a pan of water in the cabinet, but still can't make it to 20%.

I'm starting to think that this grow wasn't meant to be, but we'll see what the day brings.

Current status - 9 days since repot. Watered when they started to wilt - two days ago, but gave them more of a soak then maybe should have. Temp 82, RH 15%. Lights 400W MH @ 2'.

Currently smoking - Schwag

-10k
Wow, I must have missed somethign good. Hopefully everyone is civil now. I appreciate all comments, but don't want to hear from anyone who can't tolerate others views or is just looking for an argument.

I have a job where we have lots of meetings and discussions and that shit don't fly in the real world. Amazing how people get so aggressive when writing to each other rather than talking face to face... Like road-rage on the internet.

 

[Megawattfarmer]

Poor babies! I feel very bad for abusing them. I found some pearlite at the local Ace hardware. Dug up the two worst ones. And, let me tell you what, they were not good. The roots look like they actually died off from where they were. I bought some smaller pots too, don't know the volume, but they are 6". I wish I had found smaller pots even.

Here's a pic of the baby and old wet soil




Here's one of the (lack of) roots.




Here's the new soil+pearlite




Here's the re-re-pot



Now I'm going to give the same treatment to the other 7.

-MWf

 

[MTF-Sandman]

MUCH better soil mix...take a mental note of the weight of the pots while they're dry so you'll know when to water em. Generally MJ prefers more frequent but lighter waterings, but it will need to be proportionate to the plants growth.

Give em a little time to get accustomed to their new home and they should take off...just go easy on em for a while.

 

[Megawattfarmer]

-MTF Thanks. I'm feeling better now. This might actually work.

I'm posting another picture to show how the roots on one of the better plants grew up to the peat pot, but not more than one or two went through. I don't think that was helping a whole lot.





I misted the soil down a bit to help with the humidity.

This time I think they will be happy. We'll see...

 

[Megawattfarmer]

- NY General
So the roots are just hanging out of the pot up to 3" long? Doesn't this dry out or damage the roots? I can see how that would be an easy transplant though.

 

[-VT-]

Great thread....keep the info flowing guys....can't wait to try this "submersion" technique with coco pots.

 

[Megawattfarmer]

Well I got my pH meter finally. Wish I had it sooner... doh!

I had been using RO water up to this point. Decided I should go to tap water to help with micro-nutes. Changed my mind again and ordered some Earth Juice Microblast - staying with the RO. The tap water pH is 8.0 and RO is 7.0

Plants needed a drink today, but I don't have any pH down so I used a small amount of Alaska fish emulsion to bring the pH down to 6.6 and watered till a very small amount of run-off was produced.

pH of runoff was 8.2-8.3!!!!!

I think that the yellowing I'm seeing on the new growth is some def. or combination of def.'s due to pH lockout. Any thoughts??

So, I guess my soil mix is wrong once again! I only added 2/3 tbsp per gallon of lime to the mix. Should I have added more or what?

So what do I do now? I definitely need to get some pH down since I'm pretty sure that fish ferts, even mild, is not a good idea with every watering. I was just planning on using baking soda for pH up.

Will adjusting the water to the proper pH ever fix my soil though?

I have to add that this is the first time this soil mix has been completely saturated. So maybe I've just got over-attentive disorder again.

 

[Megawattfarmer]

-NYG
Thanks for the info on the peat pots. I am definitely thinking your method sounds appealing,

I am waiting for my EJ grow, bloom, and catalyst to get here. Should have them by Thursday. I've only dosed the plants with the AF once, then a little in the water tonight to bring down the pH.

I'm mostly worried about the runoff being 8.3.

 

[Megawattfarmer]

Hello folks,
Thanks for sticking around. I believe there has been some good discussion in this thread and I've learned a lot from you guys that are so gracious with your opinions.

What have I learned here???

Should have kept the sprouts warmer.

*Thiis could have been helped by not using peat pots (still air was too cold)
*This could have been accomplished by going with 24/0 instead of 18/6
*This could have been accomplished by moving to Hawaii​

I should have chosen the second right off the bat, but switched after I realized the error of my ways and probably made things worse, but I had to since the cooling action of peat pots were not known to me at the time; and there's no skiing in Hawaii.

Should NOT have put two beans in the same pot

*Thought the cardboard divider made to split the cup in half would keep them from tangling - WRONG!
*Untangling the roots stressed them on top of prior stress at a delicate stage in their lives.
​

Should have used a better soil mix.

*I have to say my choices in podunkville in the middle of winter are very limited
*We'll have to see how this one plays out​

Should have had a pH meter - probably, although I grew some fine weed without it.

I've learned that some people are very helpful and supportive and able to understand that there are many ways to arrive at a positive outcome. I've done a LOT of researching on here the last several weeks and OG and know this to be a fact.


Hopefully my posting of my errors will help someone down the road.

Peace.

 

[Megawattfarmer]

Hey fellow cannabis lovers! Thought I'd update that the seedlings finally snapped out of it! About 3 days ago , 1 day after watering, I came home at lunch to find a growth explosion

Prior to that watering I gave em some EJ catalyst first a small amount to the roots, then a foliar feeding. I think the foliar really helped since they were having some root issues.

Here's the latest cab shot.




Well, I guess this thread has come to an end as the babies (50 days ) are leaving the infirmary!!

Thanks for all the help! You guys rock.

 

[topherfrog]

great progress

 

[Guest]

-MTF Thanks. I'm feeling better now. This might actually work.

I'm posting another picture to show how the roots on one of the better plants grew up to the peat pot, but not more than one or two went through. I don't think that was helping a whole lot.





I misted the soil down a bit to help with the humidity.

This time I think they will be happy. We'll see...

Many years ago I tried to do an outside grow and after much frustration dug up some plants and discovered much to my disappointment the same thing that you did....

that my plants had a hell of a time growing thru the peat cups I bought.....

those were the last time I used them....

This has been good reinforcement that this is still the case....

Peat cups suck..... and not to be confused with peat pellets.....