Please help design my 1st growroom!!

[OgKennyKush]

Im in the process of constructing my 1st growroom.This will be my 1st ever grow,but I have been reading thru sooooooo many threads that I think I am ready.I need all the help I can use.
The room is 10 x 10 x 8
3-1000watt lumetek ballasts,1000 Ushio hps
Mr Slim mini split/santa fe impact dehuey
14 in maxfan/14 in phresh filter
Co2 tanks w/Sentinel CHHC-4 controller
Canna coco with H & G nutes,Switching out shooting powder for bloombastic.
Strains:White Master,Wifi,White Strawberry,Fire og bx,Goji og,White Lotus,Mob boss

I want to crack and veg some Wifi,White Strawberry,and White Master 1st,while I set up my bud room, since they are fem.I need alot help but my 1st questions are:
-If I got 3000 watts how many seed should I pop??How many plants per sq.ft?I want to veg the plants for 2 monthes,clone them and throw the seed plants into the bud room,and keep the clones as potential mothers.
-Should I install all of my electrical,mini split,dehey etc,before I rap the room in poly and seal it up??

If anyone have any advice,criticsism,input,it will be very appreciated.Im investing my ass on this room and need all the help I can get.Thanks.......

 

[Hydro-Soil]

First grow?

Best advice I can give you is this...

1 Light, preferably a 400w hps, though MH will also work respectably. Get a "Quality" ballast and hood, don't skimp here. Later you're going to use that light to 'veg' your mums and cuttings so don't consider it a waste.

One strain. Pop 6-10 beans and when you cut your clones, cut double of each plant. LABEL THEM WELL! (we've all screwed up here. LOL) Put half in water in 12/12 lighting (can be simple, just a cfl) while you root the other half. By the time you have good roots, you'll know which are male and female. (Edit: Oh... fem beans? Then pop 6-8 and keep the best looking 4)

Don't do multiple strains... this is your first grow and you're going to be absorbing a LOT of information.

Doing a sealed room is a bit much for a first time grow... BUT... if you've put in the hours of research necessary and you're sure you can handle most anything without assistance... go for it. Just scale it down for your first grow.


Avoid the big truck syndrome... in this hobby/business it's always better to start small and grow slowly. It's cheaper and less painful.

Stay Safe!

 

[OgKennyKush]

First grow?

Best advice I can give you is this...

1 Light, preferably a 400w hps, though MH will also work respectably. Get a "Quality" ballast and hood, don't skimp here. Later you're going to use that light to 'veg' your mums and cuttings so don't consider it a waste.

One strain. Pop 6-10 beans and when you cut your clones, cut double of each plant. LABEL THEM WELL! (we've all screwed up here. LOL) Put half in water in 12/12 lighting (can be simple, just a cfl) while you root the other half. By the time you have good roots, you'll know which are male and female. (Edit: Oh... fem beans? Then pop 6-8 and keep the best looking 4)

Don't do multiple strains... this is your first grow and you're going to be absorbing a LOT of information.

Doing a sealed room is a bit much for a first time grow... BUT... if you've put in the hours of research necessary and you're sure you can handle most anything without assistance... go for it. Just scale it down for your first grow.


Avoid the big truck syndrome... in this hobby/business it's always better to start small and grow slowly. It's cheaper and less painful.

Stay Safe!

Thanks for your reply.This will actually be my 2nd grow.I had to chop the 1st one down because I had to move.I know running a sealed room will be waaay more involved and more difficult to construct(thats why Im asking for all the help I can get) but its my only sensible choice.The humidity here is sky high all year round.And my 1st goal is to dial in my enviroment,so I can prevent all the problems that I can.And if Im gonna spend the money to seal up a room,and pay for the sante fe and mr.slim I might as well start off with 2-3 lights.Im planning on purchasing either sum super sun2,xxl,or Raptor hoods.

 

[Hydro-Soil]

Hrmmm....

Still say you'd do better to go with a window A/C and one light for now. Get the big dehuey you'll need for 4 lights, not 3... it'll run at minimal power usage and heat output, even when you size up. Go with a cheaper CO2 unit and pipe the gas to each plant... don't go sealed for now. You'll thank yourself later... again and again.

It doesn't sound like you've spent a few months researching this... don't plan on good or great results if you're depending on constant feedback at every step.

Best plan for getting assistance on the forums is to do as much research as you can... and use the help here as a last resort. You should have a really good idea of all the issues that can crop up and how you're going to handle them. Nothing personal, this doesn't sound like you.

10 years of watching folks start and succeed or crash and burn... size of what's going on usually plays a big part in it. Should you have someone who knows the trade standing right next to you... that would be ideal and I'd say go for it.

At least, for your own sanity, stick with one strain for now... preferably all your flowering plants should be from the same mum.

Stay Safe!

 

[SMOKE-ONE]

Since your humidity is high I would go with a sealed room.You will have to fight mold and pm if you dont.But i do agree with Hydro-Soil,you should try and cut some cost on your 1st run.Maybe go with a window banger and a cheaper dehuey.I did compare the spects on the santa fe dehueys and the impact is the most energy efficient.There are a couple of good threads on diy window banger applications.Dont see anything wrong with going with 3 lights.It will be some work,but it is very do-able.Also I wouldnt run that pack of Mob Boss until u have several growes under ur belt.They probably wont be available again.I got some packs myself I plan on running very soon.Good luck,be careful,and stay safe!!!!

 

[vta]

14 in maxfan/14 in phresh filter

I assume this is for the lights. Want to save some money? If so you really don't need a 14" scrubber...save a few bucks. IF your room is "sealed"...then you could push fresh air through your lights and then out. If you pull fresh air through your lights...smell might creep in from your hoods and a filter would be needed. Just an option... It is however a good idea to have a fan and scrubber ready if need be...for the area outside the sealed room. You might end up getting something that reeks and then leaks. Some guys run a fan scrubber combo inside the sealed room...to keep the funk down. If you do go this route and just get a stand alone scrubber for either the inside or out...an inline fan would work just fine...I had a 6" vortex attached to a scrubber($200 for both) standing outside a sealed room that was in a garage...worked perfectly and was only needed during drying as that was done in another room inside the same garage. Just something to think about....

 

[DHF]

You`ve got less than 50 posts so I can`t answer the pm Bro.....but....

30 watts per sq ft will be a problem without dialed strains in a 10 x 10.........

Peace....DHF...........

 

[OgKennyKush]

Since your humidity is high I would go with a sealed room.You will have to fight mold and pm if you dont.But i do agree with Hydro-Soil,you should try and cut some cost on your 1st run.Maybe go with a window banger and a cheaper dehuey.I did compare the spects on the santa fe dehueys and the impact is the most energy efficient.There are a couple of good threads on diy window banger applications.Dont see anything wrong with going with 3 lights.It will be some work,but it is very do-able.Also I wouldnt run that pack of Mob Boss until u have several growes under ur belt.They probably wont be available again.I got some packs myself I plan on running very soon.Good luck,be careful,and stay safe!!!!

Thanks for the input.Yea the Impact is 8.8 pints/KWh

Hrmmm....

Still say you'd do better to go with a window A/C and one light for now. Get the big dehuey you'll need for 4 lights, not 3... it'll run at minimal power usage and heat output, even when you size up. Go with a cheaper CO2 unit and pipe the gas to each plant... don't go sealed for now. You'll thank yourself later... again and again.

It doesn't sound like you've spent a few months researching this... don't plan on good or great results if you're depending on constant feedback at every step.

Best plan for getting assistance on the forums is to do as much research as you can... and use the help here as a last resort. You should have a really good idea of all the issues that can crop up and how you're going to handle them. Nothing personal, this doesn't sound like you.

10 years of watching folks start and succeed or crash and burn... size of what's going on usually plays a big part in it. Should you have someone who knows the trade standing right next to you... that would be ideal and I'd say go for it.

At least, for your own sanity, stick with one strain for now... preferably all your flowering plants should be from the same mum.

Stay Safe!

Thanks for the reply.What size dehuey do you recommend
I go with?105pints/day isnt big enough?

I assume this is for the lights. Want to save some money? If so you really don't need a 14" scrubber...save a few bucks. IF your room is "sealed"...then you could push fresh air through your lights and then out. If you pull fresh air through your lights...smell might creep in from your hoods and a filter would be needed. Just an option... It is however a good idea to have a fan and scrubber ready if need be...for the area outside the sealed room. You might end up getting something that reeks and then leaks. Some guys run a fan scrubber combo inside the sealed room...to keep the funk down. If you do go this route and just get a stand alone scrubber for either the inside or out...an inline fan would work just fine...I had a 6" vortex attached to a scrubber($200 for both) standing outside a sealed room that was in a garage...worked perfectly and was only needed during drying as that was done in another room inside the same garage. Just something to think about....

I was gonna use the 14in maxfan/phresh filter as a scrubber for the room.I wanted to overkill in that area.rather be too safe than sorry.I would be able to sleep better at night.Why not overkill if I can afford it? That way I can run some real stanky-dank with the worry.Is it a drawback to this some how????

 

[RomulusUSA]

Scrubbing the room sounds like a great idea. There is no draw back, we would all recommend it. I'm not sure what VTA was thinking.

Your dehumi is a good choice. I have a 70pt and it produces a lot of heat for 1k ATM. Works well, but if I was running 3k I doubt it would cut it. Time will tell for me.

I would suggest using air cooled hoods (Super Sun II's) and use hose clamps + duct tape to seal them up really well. I also would suggest starting off with one hood your first go round. It will be easier. Or do all 3, but from your post, I think you have a lot more to learn. Not saying you won't pick it up, I jumped in head first and learned a lot, but did have a guy who had done it a while right by my side. I still encountered a few oddities because I deviated from his suggestions. Made changes to how he suggested it, things have been rocking for a year now.

I highly support the minisplit if you can afford it. By far the best way to go. Make sure to get a good tech to install it, you don't want leaks. Nitrogen test, etc... I'm sure you know this if you have looked into mini's.

Propane burners are better than CO2 tanks - if you do CO2 tanks (I do) get 2. Only having one wastes a lot of my time!

I run a SCROG in a 4x4 tent and run 6 plants under 1k due to limits. If I didn't have limits, I would likely run 3 1k's with 27 plants (9 per). This is also a good reason to run 1 hood your first time, you can pop 10 fems, make 2 clones per each, and run them out, and then get a good mom (or multiples) and have lots of clones in the future.

What are you thinking about doing for veg? A clone box, or partition the room, or a tent? You need something. You will want to veg under a MH for a couple weeks each run. I do about 2 months from clone to big enough under 495w of 6k PLL's due to what I bought initially. If I was re-buying, and when I do re-buy, I'll buy some fluros for mom's and clones, and a 600w MH for my veg table.

Also, KISS with your nutrient setup initially. For sure. And only run 1 strain. I rain 4 initially, and 5 last time, and a single one this run. I am really looking forward to a monocrop. Growth is more uniform, they take the nutrients the same, should finish at the same time, etc.

Get your post count up so your can PM folks. Keep researching, keep planning. You'll get there, we all started as newbs!

 

[vta]

Scrubbing the room sounds like a great idea. There is no draw back, we would all recommend it. I'm not sure what VTA was thinking.

Never said there was a draw back to scrubbing the room. If that is the case....why would he need a 14" maxfan? That fan is way overkill for that purpose....imo. Also the size... That is why I thought he would be using it to cool the lights. But if he is just going to bare bulb it and scrub the room...then he could get away with a much cheaper combo than that. That is all i was trying to say...

 

[RomulusUSA]

A 10-12" would do fine as well I suppose. Lower RPM / larger fan = less noise produced. Larger filter = less frequent refreshing. All comes down to how you plan to do it. That 14" will only turn the air over twice a minute, so that is about right to actually remove smell. Once a minute in my room does not - But exhausting the room through the fan makes the discharge-receiving area not smell.

 

[OgKennyKush]

A 10-12" would do fine as well I suppose. Lower RPM / larger fan = less noise produced. Larger filter = less frequent refreshing. All comes down to how you plan to do it. That 14" will only turn the air over twice a minute, so that is about right to actually remove smell. Once a minute in my room does not - But exhausting the room through the fan makes the discharge-receiving area not smell.

Im planning on using a entirely different room for my veg.I have a 6 bulb/t-8 flouro right now,that Im gonna use for clone/seedlings.Im gonna purchase a T-8 fixture,and a MH switchable(400/600/1000) for veggin larger plants and moms.Im gonna go with the super sun2 for my bud room,and xxl or raptors(larger footprint) for my veg room.But I dont understand how the larger filter would provide less frequent refreshing.I thought the larger the filter/fan=more frequent refreshing.Please explain this for me.Im trying to have maximum smell control possible.
I have a bro thats been growing for awhile.He runs a regular room,and feels sealed rooms are a waste of money.Hes always battling mold and pm.He's taught me alot about actually growing the plants.I help him in his rooms all the time.He runs ebb&flow tables SOG.Im not asking him for any help with my room,because I dont want ANYONE to know Im growing.I really dont trust ANYONE with my freedom.Id really get help here.It makes me sleep better at night.Thanks so much for the help.

 

[RomulusUSA]

Sorry I meant refreshing as in replacing / repacking. I just repacked my 6" filter for my tent, I highly recommend it. Yeah, it burnt 2hr of my time but it also only cost about $80 for my little filter and $120 for my big filter... About 2/3 the cost of a new filter, a worthy savings IMO. It'll go faster to repack the big one (Just did the small thus far) as I have some experience with it now. Drilling rivets sucks as always.

I don't blame you with not telling your friend. I have a small group of people that know, but my friends who have active grows have no idea, nor do most other people. I wish it was less, but I couldn't have set it up without these guys help, and we're basically like brothers.

I don't think his mold or PM comes from it being a non-sealed, but more so too high of RH and not enough airflow. Now, the RH could be due to your local environment, and if that is the case, then yes, sealed is required.

Check out this dudes thread, btw. Seems like the Dr has the game down for a 10x10 room. https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=5438540#post5438540
3x1k, 5x5 screens (3 of them), and 4 plants per screen with 5-8wk veg time. 37gal totes for his soil containers. My next run, I am going to try 20gal pots and see how that works for me, vs the 5's I've been in now. Maybe it'll make em that much bigger. I feel like I have been root binding them due to my recent transplants and what the roots looked like. Not bound, but restricted... I need to go write a research paper so I will stop ranting, but if you have some more questions please post up. We're here to give insight, and we learn best as a group.

 

[OgKennyKush]

You`ve got less than 50 posts so I can`t answer the pm Bro.....but....

30 watts per sq ft will be a problem without dialed strains in a 10 x 10.........

Peace....DHF...........

I just seen your post.Dont know how I missed it before.Thanks for replying.Im not going to use the enrire room for plants.Thats just the size of the room.I want to use around 48-75 sqft.4x4 or 5 x 5 per 1k.

 

[OgKennyKush]

You`ve got less than 50 posts so I can`t answer the pm Bro.....but....

30 watts per sq ft will be a problem without dialed strains in a 10 x 10.........

Peace....DHF...........

I just seen your post.Dont know how I missed it before.Thanks for replying.Im not going to use the enrire room for plants.Thats just the size of the room.I want to use around 48-75 sqft.4x4 or 5 x 5 per 1k.

 

[RomulusUSA]

From what DrFever squeezed out with 5x5 under a 1k - That is what I would do. I run 4x4 under a 1k ATM, but when I build, I will allow for more room.

 

[RomulusUSA]

What'd you come up with?

 

[OgKennyKush]

What'd you come up with?

Prolly gonna go with a window banger,and do 5 x 5 per 1k.Jus gotta figure out how to box it up.Im looking for a cheap reliable co2 controller/light controllers.any suggestions?? And I need to find out how much it will cost to run co2 tanks for up to 3k-4k.I know propane would be better but not sure if I can handle the extra heat.Jumping in head 1st!!!
Just dropped these in water:
10-Wifi
10-Ukhem
10-CC Tahoe Og Kush**And I know CC is a shitty company.I bought the seeds before I did my research......really wish I'd gotten the Doc's Og..

 

[OgKennyKush]

I just wanted to make an update.Im now setting up a new room.The last room didnt work out because of security issues.My new room is 14x10x8.Ive got a 14in max fan,and a canfan-125.Only running 2k.Im kinda in a tough spot.It will get very hot and humid so I will need a deheuy and/or a/c.But I cannot run CO2.So the room cant be sealed.I was gonna use the 14in fan/filter to scrubb the room.But since I cant run CO2,I will need to exhaust the room to replinsh CO2,but I dont want to waste the A/C air.So I want to exhaust at the minimum timed intervals.Need to set the room up really fast.I got some plants veggin,almost ready for the big lights.

Does anyone have as idea what would be the most efficent way to pull this off?

Thanks!!

 

[ak-51]

Air cooling the hoods on a closed loop, where outside air is run through the hoods and then exhausted back outside. This will remove a ton of heat and save you A/C costs. Having the 14" on a timer will work. You could just flush the room at night when it's cool out. You might still want another fan to just scrub the room. If it's hot and humid then you'll need both a dehumidifier and an A/C.

Addendum:

You were talking about going bigger earlier in the thread. I would get an A/C and dehumidifier that is sized for a larger size if you see yourself potentially running larger in the future. I think the larger units (of both) are generally more efficient anyway. I know I would have gained efficiency had I gone with a Santa Fe Dual Dry XT instead of a Compact. But the compact handles the job just fine anyway.