plantys outdoor 2010

[planty]

I sorted out what type of pump I need for irrigating my yard. When I get it in I'll share exactly what my buddy who does my plumbing systems for me is going to pick up. The rain is just fucking my plans right up. The machine operators wont come and do my pad my garden is going to sit on till it dries out a little more, and every time it dries out, more rain comes. I'll get the break I need real soon. I can just feel it coming soon. My plants are going to be ready to go out in april so I have all of march to get the break I need...

 

[mr-natural78]

Mr Natural - My neighbors are doing 125 30 gallon pots this year.. I wonder how ya'll will do, my 65s last year were completely root bound and the roots grew out of the bottom in to the ground...[/quote]

The rubbermaid 35g tubs will basically be swamp tubes with the bottoms cut out. We have a lot of swamp and marsh acreage. I've never tried this method before. If it works ok I will probably go with something bigger in the future. The relative I learned the gardening basics from always grew outdoors in 5gal buckets or nursery pots. So, that's what I have always done too. They were on our property and close to our house though so watering wasn't that big of a deal. i wouldn't want to grow in small containers like that if you have to hump stuff into the bush. I was taught to go with lots of small plants. Not that I've been on ICMAG and surfed the outdoor and greenhouse threads I'm thinking smaller numbers of trees are the way to go for OD. I'm totally starting to think about greenhouses. I'd love to extend the season a bit here in the great lakes area.

 

[nomaad]

I sorted out what type of pump I need for irrigating my yard. When I get it in I'll share exactly what my buddy who does my plumbing systems for me is going to pick up. The rain is just fucking my plans right up. The machine operators wont come and do my pad my garden is going to sit on till it dries out a little more, and every time it dries out, more rain comes. I'll get the break I need real soon. I can just feel it coming soon. My plants are going to be ready to go out in april so I have all of march to get the break I need...

funny... i just had this conversation with my buddy who runs a backhoe service. he has a backhoe and an excavator and can't do shit right now... just waiting for some dry so he can get to work.

your window will come.

I just leveled out a spot for my GH... not sure if the whole thing was washed away today or what as I got home after dark. i think i am going to have to work with my neighbor to solve some drainage problems, as the water is pouring off his property, under my fence and right to where my GH location is.

 

[sackoweed]

WowzerZ i grow nothing NEAR what you fellas do... But i will definitely love to hang and watch this take place as i did MaaD's aweome grow... Sounds like something beautiful is about to take place here... Good vibes to ya bbl peace and puffs..

sackO

 

[planty]

Mr Natural Good luck this year.

Nomaad I know my break will come, I just want it to have passed and the work already be over. My planters will arrive soon and I faxed off the order for my dirt. 240 bales of pro mix and 40 bags of perlite will handle 40 containers. I can't get more than 10 pallets delivered at once so I'll just have to pick up some stuff myself...Once the weather levels out they'll be done in exactly a day...

sackoweed Thanks a lot for the good wishes. Please keep me company this season!

 

[planty]

Nomaad I've found that neighbors are pretty agreeable when you offer to pay for most or all of any work that needs to be done, also bringing beer usually greases the wheels. LOL Just jokes...

 

[humboldtlocal]

I'm going with a lil bit of a different mix after talkin to my buddy..Still using the sunshine mix / perlite a smy base but adding fish meal, fish bone meal, nutri rich, kelp gypsum lime bacterials instead of heavy steamed bone and sup r green which is mostly bedding

Hey Planty, why did you decide to not do the steamed bone and the chicken shit? I know there is a good chance of burning when these are applied too heavy. What do you mean by bedding? Why the switch from sunshine to promix? I am still trying to make some final decisions on my mix. I have had problems with bears getting into my gardens when I use anything with fish in it. I have lost a lot of pounds to bears over the years. They dug up holes and crushed plants. I actually found a label from a gallon of fish emulsion in a pile of bear poop on my property. I kept it for a while just to show people.
Hope you are enjoying these few sunny spring days.

 

[planty]

They're drying my property out from the torrential rains that we got up here. still got standing water in some places.. So much water for this summer. This farmer man is stoked up.

I went from sunshine to pro mix because my materials supplier changed so I changed with it. They're the same basically. The biggest yielding garden I've ever seen used pro mix as it's base and I'm going to use the same general mix. Pro Mix, Grade 4 perlite, Nutri Rich 4-3-3 7% calcium chicken manure, fish bone meal, fish meal, kelp, worm castings..

The reason why I decided not to go with the mix Tom posted up is because I remembered that the first year he used that mix (on his SCBB crop that made him internet famous) those plants got burnt and took till late june to really get out of their funk..still came in huge but could have been much bigger if not hindered by that initial shock. I'm going to go with something milder so I dont fuck em up when I plant and top dress when I know they can hang...

I wouldn't do any thing that I am doing because everything I'm doing is pretty much "how its gonna be" and I'm just going for it. You've got way more successful seasons out side under your belt than me man

 

[humboldtlocal]

You flatter me bro but actually amending my soil is always where I have slacked. I have always been stretched thin on help for the scale i have been on and have never made a good effort to amend properly. I have for many years just been amending older soil with bags of Power flower and FFOF. I have made up for it with a lot of top dressing and extra feeding through the season. I know that worry of burning plants with a hot soil and that is why I never worried about amending too much. Last year a lot of new soil was brought in for my new garden but all of my older holes were amended with Roots Organic. This year I am making the effort and going all out. I know a lot of people that rave about pro mix so you should have great results. I saw their new Bio-Fungicide bails at my buddies store the other day. Supposed to help with crops that are monocropped. Like ours. Have you heard about the B6? Bails. They are like ProMix but Organic. I saw them the other day too. Didn't get a price though. I might use some as well to help top off some of those trenches. I am going to be following toms mix but going a little lighter on the chicken and bone. I would hate to be burning starts that are already huge and healthy. I will also be adding EWC and kelp.

 

[planty]

I'm not worried about it bro. I ran Pro Mix HP non stop for a long time in my indoor set up that you've seen. When I used SSM#4 there wasn't any difference. I haven't changed the beds out. This time indoor I will reload with HP and Grade 4 perlite. I've seen the other types of Pro Mix but the HP is the best one for ganj in my experience.. If I ever have problems with my root zone I break out the Pre Stop , Myco Stop , and Actinovate and go to town on those bitches. Looking forward to catching up soon.

The HP bales are getting delivered to me for $25.25 each. I think I'm going to have 2 helpers to fill my planters...All I trust them to do is break open 3 bales of pro mix and a half bag of giant perlite then wait for me to come put the organic goodness in. I'm planning on mixing the amendments up together in a 5 gallon bucket with some castings or something to "carry" them and then spreading them in the middle and tilling the crap out of it then putting the top layer on and tilling again so no one part of the container is too hot.

By bedding I meant straw, and general scrap from the coop material..that's what is in the Sup R Green 3-2-2 that tom's using in his mix...it's fine and it works, the garden I'm basing a lot of what I'm doing on used Sup R Green in the top half of the container and steer manure in the bottom half with a lot of other stuff mixed in to it...Year 2 at that garden, the manager decided to use Nutri Rich and advised me that it was a 100% better product than Sup R Green.

 

[sackoweed]

plaNty
Howzit..?? I will chill all summer with ya brother.Cos i have a good feeling that this will be an awesome grow to watch... It sux i used to use pro mix hp loved it,it was fool proof soil, but i cant get it here where i live, and i dont grow big enough to order it in, so i am using happy frog now So far so good i will see after i chop.. sending more good grow vibes. peace n puffs..

sackO

 

[planty]

Sounds good Sack. Glad to have you around. Sucks about the Pro Mix...for a long time it was special order only even here in Humboldt County!! Can you believe that? Now that stuff is flowing..I used to have an account with National Garden Wholesale, I'm still on their product mailing list and they just let me know Pro Mix HP is in their product line up...so if you have any garden store near you with the NGW sticker in their window, it shouldn't be too hard to get now...Hope I was able to help.

Come on sunshine I need you baby!!

 

[sackoweed]

plaNty
Thanx for the tidbit of info, i will look for that sticker on our nursery window good to know that.. Yea im thats funny special order in humboldt.. I too am ready for the sun full time now.. be back later brother..peacen puffs

sackO

 

[HOVAH2.0]

planty: coco is something you should try, its very easy... ill be puttin out 3 5 gallon buckets april 1... the only problem, watering every day,,, twice the water on, but ill try to conserve with polymers, news paper and no drains... the advantage is bigger yeild than soil..

i always thought lighter soil equals bigger yeild, but more waterings,
you can combat this with plastic on bottom of pot, less run off.
you guys growing in your back yard should have to worry bout water supply, a light soil should be the way to go.
pro mix is mostly peat moss and vertmiculite... i just buy 3 bails of peat from Home Depot and add coco, perlite... its the same thing .... ProMix cost too much, but it does produce!!

 

[planty]

The pro mix that you bought at home depot and what I'm working with aren't the same. What I've got doesn't have any vermiculite in it and isn't made by Farfard...It's made by Premier Horticulture. I don't plan on trying any thing I haven't already seen work. No one I know does a lot of coir out door.

Even with the garden in the back yard have to limit my watering to about 3500 gallons per week...how much water are you planning on using per week bro?

You have to remember my pots are 300 gallons each. I'm going to have to hit each one with 50 gallons once a week and a couple times in the middle of the week with 5-15 gallons..it can be over 100 up here for weeks at a time in the peak of the summe

HOVAH - Do you have a brand of coir you like? Sanchez wasn't able to come up with one..if you've got a consistent brand you like MAYBE I'll do 1 planter with coir if the base material tests OK on my meters and on the professional sample analysis I will have done on whatever brand ya recommend.

 

[localhero]

Whats up brotha

Nice heads up on the burn from Toms mix. I was gonna run with that in 200 gal pots. Trying to figure out what mix to go with is killing me. I'm getting overwhelmed by reading about screening aged pine bark fines, biochar, soil porosity..

 

[nomaad]

You guys seem to have your shit figured out.

I really have to decide what the fuck I am going to do with the soil in my 200's. I am sending out soil samples tomorrow. I am going to do 2 from black box containers, and two from full season plants (a big yielder and a small yielder)... i am also going to send in a sample of a 2:3 mix of fresh Roots 707 and Roots Organics to establish a baseline of what the soil mix I used last year tests out of the bag. I guess I will take it from there.

A friend of mine mentioned a product called "Sunrise Mix" that is specifically formulated to replenish that which the ganj taketh away. I have not been able to find it on the interwebs.

Good luck filling the 40.

 

[nomaad]

Weather report looks pretty bleak as far as 15 days ahead. Boo. I mean... I like water as much as the next farmer... but c'mon. hows a mofo supposed to pull a march-april greenhouse run when march is still monsoon season. I am heartened by my homie who is a month away from 3 pounders (it would seem) in his GH.

 

[planty]

Yea tell me about it....Rain rain go away come again when I'm done with the day!@

 

[HOVAH2.0]

planty> didnt i read you never used coco? i thought you wanted data? im just giving my opinion.... you dont have to use it... please dont let me annoy u, or stress u out, ......why so sensitive, man?

forget it, im taking my ass back to the woods, tend my greenhouse, keep to myself.....

have a good harvest, im outta here.

the coco ive used were 2.5x 6 bricks, 2.00 each, EBAY