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plants in ppk's
- Thread starter delta9nxs
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So way i see it ,it is not vertical !? You using xxxl hoods correct ?
nope its not vertical as i am not able to do vert yet with current cooling, this shows that anyone can grow PPK, not just vert.
What do ya want to see? Anything specific? It's just a stock tank for a res covered with a sheet of Osb and two rruns of pvc. One feed and one drain....same old boring stuff that works extremely well when executed properly... going through about 400 gallons a week at one place. The other spot has a kid we hired just to fill the res and change batteries..both spots are running off batteries and an inverter.. one spot has a wind generator to charge batteries...
D9 was trying to school me n on bilge pumps, but I didn't have the time to set it up and get plants in...my I have no idea why...... Ultimately running a a 12v or 24v bilge pump would be MUCH more efficient but I wasn't about to experiment on my first run......
Snook
Still Learning
Way back, in the first PPK thread, there were gorilla growers that were using 2, 30 gallon garbage cans (or something like them)buried in the ground, ala PPK. Why burry them??? I dono.
I also don't know if this has anything to do with the topic but if not, sorry.
Way back, in the first PPK thread, there were gorilla growers that were using 2, 30 gallon garbage cans (or something like them)buried in the ground, ala PPK. Why burry them??? I dono.
I also don't know if this has anything to do with the topic but if not, sorry.
prob to keep them cool, ground temperature lower then air. better stability so they wouldnt fall over. better concealed an totally light proof. few things come to mind
bsafe
so this the room
4 tables 3ftx8ft each,1ft in between tables, 24 sites, top drip 24/7, water flow 24/7 inside table. something like 130sq ft of trellis netting. it worked well. after weaving in the branches into the trellis netting i seen about 2 ft of growth in about 10 days. first pick is 10days after the 2nd photo. it can leak, it can clog, ceilings to low for this intense growth. if i had higher ceilings i would keep it.
so stuck with not so high ceilings , but there still like 8.5 ft. nanotech de lighting c02 etc.. these lights need 2ft atleast in between light fixture an canopy even at the 600w setting.
a 3gal bucket with 7 gal top feed container is about 17inches. a 5gal with a 3 gal inside is about 19 inches. the original tables where like 21 inches from floor.
so i am gonna build a 2nd larger ppk system since my trial ppk system is working so well.
prob go 3gal bucket with 3 gal top. or 3 gal bucket with 7 gal feed pan.
i know more root room means bigger healthier plant, but a 7 gal feed pan leaves me with about 6 gallons of turface per site. thats 144gallons of turface to clean. so i may go 3 gal, which cuts the turface amount in half. but the 7 gal pan is nice an wide. one thing i notice is the turface lets the roots go wide. its not liek hydroton ot growstones, the roots tend to go wide before they go down. an thats a good thing , i think
whats the smallest functioning tailpiece you have heard of in ppk land? ideas on low height ppk systems? i have a couple ideas about a low height ppk system to take these tables place. any input appreciated......
be well an bsafe
4 tables 3ftx8ft each,1ft in between tables, 24 sites, top drip 24/7, water flow 24/7 inside table. something like 130sq ft of trellis netting. it worked well. after weaving in the branches into the trellis netting i seen about 2 ft of growth in about 10 days. first pick is 10days after the 2nd photo. it can leak, it can clog, ceilings to low for this intense growth. if i had higher ceilings i would keep it.
so stuck with not so high ceilings , but there still like 8.5 ft. nanotech de lighting c02 etc.. these lights need 2ft atleast in between light fixture an canopy even at the 600w setting.
a 3gal bucket with 7 gal top feed container is about 17inches. a 5gal with a 3 gal inside is about 19 inches. the original tables where like 21 inches from floor.
so i am gonna build a 2nd larger ppk system since my trial ppk system is working so well.
prob go 3gal bucket with 3 gal top. or 3 gal bucket with 7 gal feed pan.
i know more root room means bigger healthier plant, but a 7 gal feed pan leaves me with about 6 gallons of turface per site. thats 144gallons of turface to clean. so i may go 3 gal, which cuts the turface amount in half. but the 7 gal pan is nice an wide. one thing i notice is the turface lets the roots go wide. its not liek hydroton ot growstones, the roots tend to go wide before they go down. an thats a good thing , i think
whats the smallest functioning tailpiece you have heard of in ppk land? ideas on low height ppk systems? i have a couple ideas about a low height ppk system to take these tables place. any input appreciated......
be well an bsafe
av8or
Member
Looking great, brother! I've thought about the low height issue, as well...and I think it depends on a few things. First, are you concerned with plant count? If not, then I would seriously consider doing a flat tray SOG with turface and wicks that stick into a flooded tube or another flat tray with a water table in it. If you are sticking to a smaller plant count, then growing bigger (and therefore in need of more roots and a taller system) is the obvious choice. I built D9's cloner device and thought, "Man, I should just flower these in place." The system was a ten gallon rectangle tub from walmart or wherever...I think it's around ten inches tall? On the lid sits 6 x 42 ounce tupperware plastic bowls with a thermaloam wick in them. It is the lowest ppk system I know of, but you're growing six plants in an 18"x22" space.
As for the traditional trees, the 3.5 gal bottom with the 7 gal top seems to be the winner so far. I suppose you could use any bottom tub that gave you at least 6" clearance inside would likely suffice. The only issue with short systems is a small water level in the system, so you'll experience any chemical variations faster and more substantially. You can put a recesses larger res somewhere? Use a large central res? There are options. I'm interested to see what you come up with!
Snook
Still Learning
hey av8or, in my state im allowed 24 in flower here, so im sticking to that.
one way i found you can increase the rez size without adding a ton of tubs is going with 4in sewer as the returns. the 4" pipe alone holds like 10 gal in my system. my 8 site ppk holds a total of 50-55 gallons, with one 27 gal tote as the central pump area. 4in or so airgap in the 3.5gal bottom buckets. 7 gal top buckets. 50 gal is a good amount to keep things stable. been meaning to connect an edit up a few photos of the current trial ppk system
one thing i noticed with turface, vs hydroton or growstones, is the turface makes the roots go wide vs deep. atleast in the beginning stages.
i put turface filled net pots in a flood table to prep for next run an the roots are shooting wayyy out the sides of the 6" netpots. thinking of putting little side skirts the net pots to keep them tamed. make the skirts out of black & white poly or landscape fabric. rubber bands to keep the skirt on.
i gotta about 2 weeks to make everything come together.
brainstorming, sourcing parts, building....... seems to be my constant in life.
bsafe
ppk
ppk
2 e-papillon 1000's in the middle( set to 600w), 4 parabolic hoods with vertical 600w 10k bulbs. co2, 24kbtu fujitsu minisplit,70pint dehumidifier. daytime humidification misters. nighttime exhaust. 50-55 gal in system, 30 gal topoff rez. topoff on topoff rez.
ppk
2 e-papillon 1000's in the middle( set to 600w), 4 parabolic hoods with vertical 600w 10k bulbs. co2, 24kbtu fujitsu minisplit,70pint dehumidifier. daytime humidification misters. nighttime exhaust. 50-55 gal in system, 30 gal topoff rez. topoff on topoff rez.
av8or
Member
Gman, what feed halos are you using in the above picture? I can't find anything pre-fabbed in my area (even though there's a hydro shop on every other corner these days) that disperses water evenly. I've been having to make a punch of halo ring tube thingies myself and they're not as perfect as they could be (euphemism).
those halos are the 12". i also had to cut the riser stakes that hold the halo above the medium.
to be honest the next ones im building, or im just flooding. gonna cost like $240 for the next system if i was to buy 24 hydro halos.
take a 1/2 " T " an like 10-12 inches of 1/2 hose. connect the hose ends to both sides of the " T ". then use a soldering iron to punch drip holes in 1/2 'the hose. make sure you do it where u got good ventilation.
the halos are starting to slowly clog about 1/3rd way thru flower with a 5 or so week veg prior.
the halos are far better then the smaller " black holes dripper"
i also figuire if i flood the top bucket fast, then there is no need to disperse the water around the plant cause the flood would do that automatically. so technically if u have a good pump to flood, the flood will do the dispersing. less things to go wrong or clean, an prob lower build cost vs buying drippers. danner pumps for the win!!!!
that room has a danner 1200gph, which probably could flood each top bucket in about a min. but they are valved an i drip for 3 mins every 3 hours 24/7
the ppk is not the fastest system ive messed with. but it seems reliable an very good results so far. some of the healthiest plants i've had overall. some small deficiencies but talk on that later. an by far the healthiest mothers ive had to take clones off of prior. had some of my best ever cloning ratios. i can finally say....... i will be able to pick the best clones for the next run. im usually scrounging up clones to fill the spots an forced to take poor rooted clones. not this time.
the gorilla glue is looking nice, an the stardawg corey is killing it.
bsafe
to be honest the next ones im building, or im just flooding. gonna cost like $240 for the next system if i was to buy 24 hydro halos.
take a 1/2 " T " an like 10-12 inches of 1/2 hose. connect the hose ends to both sides of the " T ". then use a soldering iron to punch drip holes in 1/2 'the hose. make sure you do it where u got good ventilation.
the halos are starting to slowly clog about 1/3rd way thru flower with a 5 or so week veg prior.
the halos are far better then the smaller " black holes dripper"
i also figuire if i flood the top bucket fast, then there is no need to disperse the water around the plant cause the flood would do that automatically. so technically if u have a good pump to flood, the flood will do the dispersing. less things to go wrong or clean, an prob lower build cost vs buying drippers. danner pumps for the win!!!!
that room has a danner 1200gph, which probably could flood each top bucket in about a min. but they are valved an i drip for 3 mins every 3 hours 24/7
the ppk is not the fastest system ive messed with. but it seems reliable an very good results so far. some of the healthiest plants i've had overall. some small deficiencies but talk on that later. an by far the healthiest mothers ive had to take clones off of prior. had some of my best ever cloning ratios. i can finally say....... i will be able to pick the best clones for the next run. im usually scrounging up clones to fill the spots an forced to take poor rooted clones. not this time.
the gorilla glue is looking nice, an the stardawg corey is killing it.
bsafe
came in the room to the upper right bucket closest to the dehumidifier toppled over. rez drained. leaking down 2 floors, no rubbber flowering in this room, YET. hope the plant makes it. was an ecsd.
i tell you , fucking having to deal with fire alarms to possibly go off, even in a legal an compliant situation is still not fun to think about. year back i had a leak, water settled 3 floors down, 8 hrs after leak an cleaned, dripped ontop of heat sensor, tripped the heat alarm at 2 am. 5 firetrucks, police. crazy.....
bsafe
Slow thread needs some updates
Slow thread needs some updates
been a slow thread lately, no??
built this ppk system about 20 or so days ago. these picks where just after transplant an weaving in branches into trellis.
20 sites. 3.5 gallon ontop of 3.5 gallon. 9" tail pieces. 5 in air gap. 1/2in feeds off a 1-1/2in pvc line. jacks at 1000ppm 5.6-6.2. sealed room. co2 at 1200ppm. humidification set 62%rh . 5 nanolux de lights set to 750w
the returns to the controller are garden hose into 3" pvc. the 3"pvc flows back into the 27gal controllers. uniseals connecting 3" to control buckets. 3" pvc connecting both controllers.
2 separate danner 950gph pumps. timer/pumps are off time of each other. one side is on, water rushes from opposite side. nice flow. 120gal in system. flooding 3 mins every 2 hrs
these below are about 12-14 days after transplant. major growth. still could've been better dialed. almost same position as previous transplant photos. 10 gg4, 6 stardawg corey, then 4 karmas headbanger
Slow thread needs some updates
been a slow thread lately, no??
built this ppk system about 20 or so days ago. these picks where just after transplant an weaving in branches into trellis.
20 sites. 3.5 gallon ontop of 3.5 gallon. 9" tail pieces. 5 in air gap. 1/2in feeds off a 1-1/2in pvc line. jacks at 1000ppm 5.6-6.2. sealed room. co2 at 1200ppm. humidification set 62%rh . 5 nanolux de lights set to 750w
the returns to the controller are garden hose into 3" pvc. the 3"pvc flows back into the 27gal controllers. uniseals connecting 3" to control buckets. 3" pvc connecting both controllers.
2 separate danner 950gph pumps. timer/pumps are off time of each other. one side is on, water rushes from opposite side. nice flow. 120gal in system. flooding 3 mins every 2 hrs
these below are about 12-14 days after transplant. major growth. still could've been better dialed. almost same position as previous transplant photos. 10 gg4, 6 stardawg corey, then 4 karmas headbanger
