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Plants Can Tell When They’re Being Eaten

RetroGrow

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This is a fascinating subject to me, and maybe to others who grow/study plants. This is a brief article, with links to a more in depth article from the New Yorker from last year. The New Yorker article is longer and goes into the subject more in depth, so use the link from this article if you want to read more.

"Eating a leaf off a plant may not kill it, but that doesn't mean the plant likes it. The newest study to examine the intelligence (or at least behavior) of plants finds that plants can tell when they're being eaten -- and send out defenses to stop it from happening.

We’ve been hearing for decades about the complex intelligence of plants; last year’s excellent New Yorker piece is a good place to start, if you want to learn more about the subject. But a new study, conducted by researchers at the University of Missouri, managed to figure out one new important element: plants can tell when they’re being eaten, and they don’t like it.

The word “intelligence,” when applied to any non-human animal or plant, is imprecise and sort of meaningless; research done to determine “intelligence” mostly just aims to learn how similar the inner workings of another organism is to a human thought process. There’s certainly nothing evolutionarily important about these sorts of intelligence studies; a chimp is not superior to a chicken just because chimps can use tools the same way humans do. But these studies are fascinating, and do give us insight into how other organisms think and behave, whatever “think” might mean.

This particular study was on the ever-popular Arabidopsis, specifically the thale cress, easily the most popular plant for experimentation. It’s in the brassica family, closely related to broccoli, kale, mustard greens, and cabbage, though unlike most of its cousins it isn’t very good to eat. This particular plant is so common for experiments because it was the first plant to have its genome sequenced, so scientists understand its inner workings better than almost any other plant.
The researchers were seeking to answer an unusual question: does a plant know when it’s being eaten? To do that, the researchers had to first make a precise audio version of the vibrations that a caterpillar makes as it eats leaves. The theory is that it’s these vibrations that the plant can somehow feel or hear. In addition, the researchers also came up with vibrations to mimic other natural vibrations the plant might experience, like wind noise.

Turns out, the thale cress actually produces some mustard oils and sends them through the leaves to deter predators (the oils are mildly toxic when ingested). And the study showed that when the plants felt or heard the caterpillar-munching vibrations, they sent out extra mustard oils into the leaves. When they felt or heard other vibrations? Nothing. It’s a far more dynamic defense than scientists had realized: the plant is more aware of its surroundings and able to respond than expected.

There’s more research to be done; nobody’s quite sure by what mechanism the plant can actually feel or hear these vibrations, and with so many plants out there, we’re not sure what kind of variation on this behavior there is. But it’s really promising research; there’s even talk of using sound waves to encourage crops to, say, grow faster, or send out specific defenses against attacks. Imagine knowing that a frost is coming, and being able to encourage plants to fruit faster by simply blasting them with music. That’s the kind of crazy sci-fi future this indicates."
http://modernfarmer.com/2014/10/plants-can-tell-theyre-eaten/

Here's link for the New Yorker article. Highly recommended:
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/12/23/the-intelligent-plant

A snippet from that article:
"Indeed, many of the most impressive capabilities of plants can be traced to their unique existential predicament as beings rooted to the ground and therefore unable to pick up and move when they need something or when conditions turn unfavorable. The “sessile life style,” as plant biologists term it, calls for an extensive and nuanced understanding of one’s immediate environment, since the plant has to find everything it needs, and has to defend itself, while remaining fixed in place. A highly developed sensory apparatus is required to locate food and identify threats. Plants have evolved between fifteen and twenty distinct senses, including analogues of our five: smell and taste (they sense and respond to chemicals in the air or on their bodies); sight (they react differently to various wavelengths of light as well as to shadow); touch (a vine or a root “knows” when it encounters a solid object); and, it has been discovered, sound. In a recent experiment, Heidi Appel, a chemical ecologist at the University of Missouri, found that, when she played a recording of a caterpillar chomping a leaf for a plant that hadn’t been touched, the sound primed the plant’s genetic machinery to produce defense chemicals. Another experiment, done in Mancuso’s lab and not yet published, found that plant roots would seek out a buried pipe through which water was flowing even if the exterior of the pipe was dry, which suggested that plants somehow “hear” the sound of flowing water."

We know about the SAR response in cannabis and other plants, but these new studies cast new light on the abilities of plants to interact with each other and their environment. It's quite fascinating and eye opening. Plants have abilities that we never imagined.
 

BlueBlazer

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Potatoes must really hate me.
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RonSmooth

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The thread title is misleading. The predicate "Being eaten" carries massive emotional weight. It incites feelings of pain, fear, death, torture and barbarism in humans.

An electrical pulse or chemical messenger is unimpressive until it reaches its destination. The destination in humans is our brain, the most powerful computer network in the history of the known universe. Not so much on a tomato plant.

The research is interesting though and it seems promising.
 

RetroGrow

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The thread title is misleading. The predicate "Being eaten" carries massive emotional weight. It incites feelings of pain, fear, death, torture and barbarism in humans.

Maybe if you're paranoid, it would incite those feelings. However, we are talking about plants, NOT humans. Nothing at all misleading about the title. Plants know when they are being eaten. You would do well to read the linked article, which goes much more in depth. Maybe you might learn something new. This is a relatively new field, and there is so much we don't know about plants. There is a lot to learn.
"Massive emotional weight"? "Fear, death, torture and barbarism"?
That's too funny. You might want to cut back on the sativas.....
 

CosmicGiggle

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The predicate "Being eaten" carries massive emotional weight. It incites feelings of pain, fear, death, torture and barbarism in humans.

An electrical pulse or chemical messenger is unimpressive until it reaches its destination. The destination in humans is our brain, the most powerful computer network in the history of the known universe. Not so much on a tomato plant.

The research is interesting though and it seems promising.

... the research does seem to suggest that the plants being studied possess some form of consciousness and act to avoid 'negativity'.:tiphat:
 

lolryn

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So, basically I can walk up to a vegan and say "those plants have feelings too..."

sounds good to me.
 

purple_man

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muhaha

been telling the ultra vegans (ya know the type who try to convert everyone), that plants have feelings too, plus they got no means to "run away", always great to hear the replies...

blessss
ps.: similar things are displayed in the documentary "secret life of plants", especially that dancing plant was wicked (when a dude played on a flute the plant started moving...), etc.
 

Stoner4Life

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muhaha

been telling the ultra vegans (ya know the type who try to convert everyone), that plants have feelings too, plus they got no means to "run away", always great to hear the replies...

blessss

quoting myself always feels weird.

my favorite vegetarian tale.......

so this gal that lives up here 'Jenny' is a vegan, she doesn't look very healthy though, pale skin, less than avg looking teeth, hair that greyed long before her 40s and anorexic thin. Jenny however never missed an opportunity to give us meat eaters a piece of her mind, she held herself above us by the way she talked down at us in superior tones.

well one day we're all sitting around her yard getting blazed when she starts up the same routine, if I'd mentioned a sprained ankle Jenny in a single sentence would try to blame my meat consumption and exclaim the virtues of being vegan.

I'd heard enough, I pointed to her horse in the pasture and said to Jenny, "You seem to have no problem jumping on that horse and expect it to do your bidding though......."

I really didn't figure her to burst into tears instantly, not at all, I was sure to get some smarmy comeback from her, instead she ran into her house crying, her glass house.


 

RetroGrow

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Nasty. Imagine knowing you being eaten and not being able to run away.

Ummmm.....plants don't actually have brains or nervous systems....they don't experience fear or pain, but they do react to stimuli in their environment, and interact with their environment and each other in ways we never knew. They have senses. Even Darwin suspected this, many years ago. They warn their fellow plants that danger approaches, which signals them to boost their defenses. SAR response is one example. They can't run away, but they do have defense mechanisms which are pushed into overdrive when stimulated by signaling from nearby plants. The article in the New Yorker goes into much greater detail.
 

mr.brunch

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Ummmm.....plants don't actually have brains or nervous systems....they don't experience fear or pain, but they do react to stimuli in their environment, and interact with their environment and each other in ways we never knew. They have senses. Even Darwin suspected this, many years ago. They warn their fellow plants that danger approaches, which signals them to boost their defenses. SAR response is one example. They can't run away, but they do have defense mechanisms which are pushed into overdrive when stimulated by signaling from nearby plants. The article in the New Yorker goes into much greater detail.

Sorry, was only playin. Little abstract I suppose.
No doubt , plants been here much longer than us and I never cease to be amazed at how much goes on in the natural world without us even knowing it
 

waveguide

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are scientists qualified to interpret what plants experience from criteria they are able to observe? the jain sutras say to leave fruit for two hours after it is cut.

imo yage has more idea about what consciousness is than scientists ;)
 

Stoner4Life

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Plants Can Tell When They’re Being Eaten




but can they tell when they're being twisted up???
 
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Interesting. I've read in the past that the smell of fresh cut grass is actually the plants releasing a distress signal, which they use when attacked by predators.

The lovely scent of cut grass is the reek of plant anguish: When attacked, plants release airborne chemical compounds. Now scientists say plants can use these compounds almost like language, notifying nearby creatures who can "rescue" them from insect attacks.

A group of German scientists studying a wild tobacco plant noticed that the compounds it released - called green leaf volatiles or GLVs - were very specific. When the plants were infested by caterpillars, the plants released a distress GLV that attracted predatory bugs who like to eat the caterpillars in question.

Source: http://io9.com/5623112/the-smell-of-freshly-cut-grass-is-actually-a-plant-distress-call
 

mr.brunch

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I remember seeing that some trees do this when being eaten, and this makes other trees in the patch release chemicals to make the leaves bitter
 

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