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Plant Intelligence

alphacat

Member
New research opens a window on the minds of plants
By Patrik Jonsson

RALEIGH, N.C. - Hardly articulate, the tiny strangleweed, a pale parasitic plant, can sense the presence of friends, foes, and food, and make adroit decisions on how to approach them.

Mustard weed, a common plant with a six-week life cycle, can't find its way in the world if its root-tip statolith - a starchy "brain" that communicates with the rest of the plant - is cut off.

The ground-hugging mayapple plans its growth two years into the future, based on computations of weather patterns. And many who visit the redwoods of the Northwest come away awed by the trees' survival for millenniums - a journey that, for some trees, precedes the Parthenon.

As trowel-wielding scientists dig up a trove of new findings, even those skeptical of the evolving paradigm of "plant intelligence" acknowledge that, down to the simplest magnolia or fern, flora have the smarts of the forest. Some scientists say they carefully consider their environment, speculate on the future, conquer territory and enemies, and are often capable of forethought - revelations that could affect everyone from gardeners to philosophers.

Indeed, extraordinary new findings on how plants investigate and respond to their environments are part of a sprouting debate over the nature of intelligence itself.

"The attitude of people is changing quite substantially," says Anthony Trewavas, a plant biochemist at the University of Edinburgh in Scotland and a prominent scholar of plant intelligence. "The idea of intelligence is going from the very narrow view that it's just human to something that's much more generally found in life."

To be sure, there are no signs of Socratic logic or Shakespearean thought, and the subject of plant "brains" has sparked heated exchanges at botany conferences. Plants, skeptics scoff, surely don't fall in love, bake soufflés, or ponder poetry. And can a simple reaction to one's environment truly qualify as active, intentional reasoning?

But the late Nobel Prize-winning plant geneticist Barbara McClintock called plant cells "thoughtful." Darwin wrote about root-tip "brains." Not only can plants communicate with each other and with insects by coded gas exhalations, scientists say now, they can perform Euclidean geometry calculations through cellular computations and, like a peeved boss, remember the tiniest transgression for months.

To a growing number of biologists, the fact that plants are now known to challenge and exert power over other species is proof of a basic intellect.

"If intelligence is the capacity to acquire and apply knowledge, then, absolutely, plants are intelligent," agrees Leslie Sieburth, a biologist at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City.

For philosophers, one of the key findings is that two cuttings, or clones, taken from the same "mother plant" behave differently even when planted in identical conditions.

"We now know there's an ability of self-recognition in plants, which is highly unusual and quite extraordinary that it's actually there," says Dr. Trewavas. "But why has no one come to grips with it? Because the prevailing view of a plant, even among plant biologists, is that it's a simple organism that grows reproducibly in a flower pot."

But here at the labs on the North Carolina State campus, where fluorescent grow-rooms hold genetic secrets and laser microscopes parse the inner workings of live plants, there is still skepticism about the ability of ordinary houseplants to intellectualize their environment.

Most plant biologists are still looking at the mysteries of "signal transduction," or how genetic, chemical, and hormonal orders are dispersed for complex plant behavior. But skeptics say it's less a product of intelligence than mechanical directives, more genetic than genius. Some see the attribution of intelligence to plants as relative - an oversimplification of a complex human trait.

And despite intensifying research, exactly how a plant's complex orders are formulated and carried out remains draped in leafy mystery.

"There is still much that we do not know about how plants work, but a big part of intelligence is self-consciousness, and plants do not have that," says Heike Winter Sederoff, a plant biologist at N.C. State.

Still, a new NASA grant awarded to the university to study gravitational effects on crop plants came in part due to new findings that plants have neurotransmitters very similar to humans' - capable, perhaps, of offering clues on how gravity affects more sentient beings. The National Science Foundation has awarded a $5 million research grant to pinpoint the molecular clockwork by which plants know when to grow and when to flower.

The new field of plant neurobiology holds its first conference - The First Symposium on Plant Neurobiology - in May in Florence, Italy.

The debate is rapidly moving past the theoretical. In space, "smart plants" can provide not only food, oxygen, and clean air, but also valuable companionship for lonely space travelers, say some - a boon for astronauts if America is to go to Mars. Research on the workings of the mustard weed's statolith, for example, may one day yield a corn crop with 1-3/8 the gravitational force of Earth.

Some Earth-bound farmers, meanwhile, see the possibility of communicating with plants to time waterings for ultimate growth. A new gene, Bypass-1, found by University of Utah researchers, may make that possible.

Still, it can be hard for the common houseplant to command respect - even among those who study it most closely.

"When I was a postdoc, I had a neighbor who watched me buy plants, forget to water them, and throw them out, buy them and throw them out," says Dr. Sieburth. "When she found out I had a PhD in botany, I thought she was going to die."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0303/p01s03-usgn.htm
 
G

Guest

I grew this houseplant a few months ago. Recently, it grew out a long stem, whipped me until I couldn't move, and then quickly grew around me so I can barely move.

I am writing here so that someone can come over and kill it. Please help me. You are my only hope.
 
G

Guest

alphacat said:
One of the key findings is that two cuttings, or clones, taken from the same "mother plant" behave differently even when planted in identical conditions.

I would say the reason these plants behaved differently was because of the different microbial content of the soil. Basically, the soil is alive too, and it changes probably all the time. Maybe the characteristic of the soil acts as a environmental cue, that triggers different genes to turn on or off in the plant.

So, if you have two cuttings. You have the same genes. But its the environmental conditions, even slightly, that can dictate which genes are expressed, which can then translate to completely different outcomes in the plant.

I know this is kinda off topic. I think its definitely possible plants have some form of intelligence.
 

alphacat

Member
One of the biggest stumbling blocks here (imho) is the lack of consensus for the definition of intelligence. If you ask a cognitive scientist, a psychologist, a philosopher, and a neurobiologist what 'intelligence' is, you'll get four different answers typically. Is it the ability/capacity to learn? Abstract cognition like future planning? Self awareness? All or none of the above in some mixture?

Anyways - Indicad2006, that was my first thought (tiny soil differences). The scientists claim that the conditions were identical though... so, inasmuch as you can trust scientists... ;) Hope you kick that plant's ass by the way. Try feeding her a dentist!

The ground-hugging mayapple plans its growth two years into the future, based on computations of weather patterns
See, this kind of shit is what I'm really interested in here though - if true this is amazing.
 
holy shit!!! this is cool as fuck guys!! ive always loved my plants and will lov them even more now...juss in case they think im growing them juss to smoke them..im gonna talk to them in a minute seeing as im pissed and stoned as a kite..lol., i always hav conversations with my plants and now i think its paying off..lol...i lov em..really i do..there not stupid just cos the a plant.

Dont you ever deny the fact plants are smart...cos fuck me...plants are the healing of the world guys and we can learn so much from them,really....medicines and all that come mostly from plants, or chemicals found in plants etc,etc..there not a stupid organism one little bit!

very interesting thread.

peace
 

Gangabiss

free your SELF
Veteran
This really isn't news to me.

Anyone who's ever taken a psychedelic plant like mushrooms or ayahuasca can tell you that plants have intelligence and they can also communicate with us.

They are directly linked to the mind of the planet while we broke off our link some time ago. The plants have so much to teach us, if only we would listen.

EAT MUSHROOMS!.........NOW! lol

:joint:
 

genkisan

Cannabrex Formulator
Veteran
Gangabiss said:
This really isn't news to me.

Anyone who's ever taken a psychedelic plant like mushrooms or ayahuasca can tell you that plants have intelligence and they can also communicate with us.

They are directly linked to the mind of the planet while we broke off our link some time ago. The plants have so much to teach us, if only we would listen.

EAT MUSHROOMS!.........NOW! lol

:joint:


Fucking right.


We, from our incredibally humanocentric viewpoint of the world, refuse to recognize any form of intelligence that does not mimic our own type...tool using land-based creatures with complex language.

Hell, 99% of humans don't even recognize dolphins as highly intelligent...

This is very cool news .......
 

hortus~cultura

New member
one of the key findings is that two cuttings, or clones, taken from the same "mother plant" behave differently even when planted in identical conditions. :chin: thanks for the fun facts . that just makes me love my plants even more. Ill be shure to give them a proper burial.
 

Pops

Resident pissy old man
Veteran
This just proves what I have always suspected. Most plants are smarter than Bush.
 
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