pk 13/14

[cheesey]

i havenet used either headmasta or bloombastic, but i love me some boost.

ill have to check into headmasta as boost is pretty pricey i wouldnt mind the same results for a little less coin

headmasta is around £15 a ltr . u use 1ml per ltr . canna boost is around £50 a ltr and u use 3 to 4 ml per ltr.
i tryed some doombastic on my lemon venom grow . half strenth after 2 days all plants went yellow ....

i use regen a root , headmasta and potash then canna A/B
heres a link well worth a read

http://www.canadianxpress.com/index.html

 

[skotty]

canna boost is mollasses and i use carbo-load which is still cheaper than the boost and performs mental in dwc

i stand corrected on headmasta i think that is also a form of mollasses with added silicon

and the pothash is the pk boost its basically a form of absorbable potassium for plants but im not sure on the ratio as it doesnt tell you on their website

basically all you are doing is adding more potassium into your flowering feed which is what i said with the pk boost, if you decrease your base nutes and increase the amount of p and k your gonna boost yields

the key thing is reducing the amount of n and inducing more p and k but by lowering your base nutrient and adding canna pk 13/14 you are in fact doing this

do you have any ratios for that headmasta and pothash cheesey

 

[cheesey]

canna boost is mollasses and i use carbo-load which is still cheaper than the boost and performs mental in dwc

i stand corrected on headmasta i think that is also a form of mollasses with added silicon

and the pothash is the pk boost its basically a form of absorbable potassium for plants but im not sure on the ratio as it doesnt tell you on their website

basically all you are doing is adding more potassium into your flowering feed which is what i said with the pk boost, if you decrease your base nutes and increase the amount of p and k your gonna boost yields

the key thing is reducing the amount of n and inducing more p and k but by lowering your base nutrient and adding canna pk 13/14 you are in fact doing this

do you have any ratios for that headmasta and pothash cheesey

i think its in the uk nute thread .... ill have a look when i get a min ... the headmasta smells like cider lol . Ive used it for 4 yrs or so mow and will neva look back to canna boost....


HEADMASTA

Do you get high yields with high quality together? High quality can be very elusive, especially when yield increases and hidden factors have had their input into your final product. There are unfortunately a number of environmental and physical conditions that can reduce your quality.

When the yield is increased by inferior products it often means the plant has a higher water content, larger cells, thinner cell walls and lower desirable solids effectively diluting the quality of the plant. As a result you will most likely end up with lots of low quality end product. That is why it is not common to get both high yield and high quality together. Many growers get high quality at the expense of high yields or vice versa.

This is where Head Masta will transform your crop into a high yielding, high quality super crop. Head Masta acts in four ways to increase both yield and quality. Firstly, it simulates an internal plant hormonal signal that induces increased flower formation and additional flowering sites. Secondly, it pumps plant cells full of extra vitamins and minerals required by the plant to convert excess light and nutrients into the highest quality proteins, amino acids and carbohydrates. These plant made quality factors are produced way beyond normal levels and are the key to your increased quality. The third effect is to pump the flower cells with weight producing silicon and finally it increases the plants desire for potassium to a point where the plant becomes bound to the luxury consumption of this important yield enhancer.

Water is essential for the plant’s normal functioning as we know. Normally, a shortage of water is more dangerous than too much water. However, excess water in the plant upsets the plants internal osmotic balance which results in lower quality. Head Masta overcomes this disrupted osmotic balance and restores the correct ratio of solids to water.

Temperature differential is essential for quality production. If there is no temperature difference between night and day temperatures, or night temperatures are higher than day temperatures, then quality will suffer. In this context, day means when the lights are on and night is when the lights are off. Head Masta stimulates your plants so that they can overcome these problems. It provides an osmotic balance within the plant that doesn’t normally occur when conditions aren’t right.

Night temperatures should be at least 5-10°c lower than day temperatures.

Head Masta puts YOU in the driver’s seat where high quality can be yours with every crop. And that’s without sacrificing yield. In fact, independent testing shows that Head Masta treated plants outperform untreated plants in BOTH yield and quality.

 

[Greyskull]

canna boost is mollasses

no boss sorry

not trying to be nitpicky haha

besides from personal experience....
hazy lady did a well doc'd side by side. lots of pics, smoke reports, and ideas in the beginning of the thread that the 2 are the same... that were disproven w pics.

zoolander also did a side by side but he didnt really document it like hazylady did. hazylady's is the one for details. if you like details.
edit: heres the link: http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=136037&highlight=boost

what boost & mollase are is totally different entitites that work well together to max out plants potential. boost (whatever it is really) + sugars/carbs = greater results.

 

[skotty]

yeah that makes perfect sense

its the silicon that increases the plants strenghth and the mollasses (sugars) thats brings out the plants flavours and aromas, so by combining the 2 you should boost yields, at least thats what that products telling you + ontop of this you adding in the superior pothash which is your pk boost

im using exactly the same method but with different nutes

ill be using canna base which has added silicon + carboload (mollases for flavour and taste ) and pk 13/14 (instead of pothash) but ill be increasing the pk and lowering the base over the flowering period untill im running mainly p and k and carboload

hope that makes sense lol

 

[skotty]

no boss sorry

not trying to be nitpicky haha

besides from personal experience....
hazy lady did a well doc'd side by side. lots of pics, smoke reports, and ideas in the beginning of the thread that the 2 are the same... that were disproven w pics.

zoolander also did a side by side but he didnt really document it like hazylady did. hazylady's is the one for details. if you like details.
edit: heres the link: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=136037&highlight=boost

what boost & mollase are is totally different entitites that work well together to max out plants potential. boost (whatever it is really) + sugars/carbs = greater results.

to different setups completey mate im running hydro and cannot use staright mollases in my res, that blackstrap mollases is mainly used for people who grow in soil and it works wonders

the cannaboost is very liquid form and would deffo outperform mollases in coco becuse it would be easly avaible for the plant to absorb, just an observation, coco is similar to growing in hydro and blackstrap mollasses would not work in hydro

again i did a test myself with canna boost in dwc and found the plant without the boost yielded more which is why i switched it for carboload

i think a better test would of been cannaboost vs carbo load vs headmasta or any other sugar based nutes especially in coco or hydro and in liquid format

jarred mollasses is deffo for soil growers only

 

[Greyskull]

boost is very liquid. its great.
yeah molasses in the dwc would be a big bubbly mess...
curious did you run clones in your dwc side by side or individual plants from seed?

hazy's link/thread with the doc'd side by sides were clones of the same plant... 1 no boost & no mollases, 1 boost, 1 mollases, and 1 boost + mollases.... but no worries.

imo, because boost is such a high ticket item, its only best to try/use once you have your room & plants dialed to the max. then it adds it more of 'everything'.

back to the pk 13/14 topic....

canna suggests using it a single week of feeding...
house and garden's top booster which is 0-6-7 (percentages on the bottle read 13 & 14 for the P & K!) also suggests a single week of application
bcuzz suggests using their pk13/14 weeks 5-9 (on a 10 week flower cycle)...
^^^^^and didnt 'erwin' create the recipe for the respective companies? lol^^^^^

such a variance of application for what is pretty much the same thing hahaha...

 

[Treetroit City]

boost is very liquid. its great.
yeah molasses in the dwc would be a big bubbly mess...
curious did you run clones in your dwc side by side or individual plants from seed?

hazy's link/thread with the doc'd side by sides were clones of the same plant... 1 no boost & no mollases, 1 boost, 1 mollases, and 1 boost + mollases.... but no worries.

imo, because boost is such a high ticket item, its only best to try/use once you have your room & plants dialed to the max. then it adds it more of 'everything'.

back to the pk 13/14 topic....

canna suggests using it a single week of feeding...
house and garden's top booster which is 0-6-7 (percentages on the bottle read 13 & 14 for the P & K!) also suggests a single week of application
bcuzz suggests using their pk13/14 weeks 5-9 (on a 10 week flower cycle)...
^^^^^and didnt 'erwin' create the recipe for the respective companies? lol^^^^^

such a variance of application for what is pretty much the same thing hahaha...

Funny, my bottle of top booster reads 0-7-5.8 yet their feed chart says it's 13/14
What the hell is it with H&G?

 

[skotty]

yeah sorry grey skull hope i didnt come across as a tit early trying to explain my theory lol

my method is this

potash = 9/18 which is the same as hammerhead used to be

canna pk 13/14 = 13/14

canna aqua flores base nute = 4-4-11

canna coco base nute = 4-4-3

basically if you add potash to the canna coco it brings the ratio in line with my canna aqua and pk 13/14

then the stuff you add extra like carboload or budcandy or even cannaboost and headmasta helps transport the nutrients around the plants quicker in the form of sugars, pretty much like giving kids sweets (they go fuking crazy )


all plants will have a basic npk growing value just to make them grow ,then when you start tweeking them values your increasing certain traits

so the key thing is finding what nutrients are essential in making buds swell ?

well it deffo aint nitrogen as this is used in veg so it can only be p-k so by reducing the n and increasing the p-k in flower then your onto a winner + the added sugars will help transport these nutrients around the plants quicker hence the need for bloom boosters, so in my opinion its better to get the plants on the pk in smaller amounts at the start of flower and then build them up untill flush,which is why i said to use the hesi formula

hope you catch the drift of what im saying bruv, im not trying to teach an old dog new tricks,im just trying to get an absoloute understanding of why they work the way they do

thansk for you time

 

[subrob]

wow...lots of info for me to digest! i should also have mentioned i use grodan and run to waste...
---aloha brother...hows life?

 

[Sandnut]

loads of good stuff here...

 

[BudMuncher1]

Glad I found this thread.I just had a friend ask me about adding mollasses to his rez. Won't be doing that! Great info Thx!

 

[nickman]

is that hesi a really good braind of nutes???

i was wondering about trying it out...