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~PIFF~ A.K.A. Uptown Haze/Frankies/Church. Preserving a Heritage...
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I just ran some “87 NL haze” courtesy of Johnny Chicgo. Pretty good dope.
I wonder if Phylos and their gene mapping could help with these haze arguements?
I wonder if Phylos and their gene mapping could help with these haze arguements?
goingrey
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And the C5 terpinolene connection might not be so simple.
If you check the lab results dubi has posted here you can see that while C5 itself is high in terpinolene, its daughter C5 x Kali China has none. Ok just one test from one pheno but still proves that C5 descendents aren't necessarily terpinolene-dominant.
ACE Seeds' strains - cannabinoid and terpene analysis
Pakistani Skunk cannabinoid and terpene analyses Pakistani Skunk cannabinoid and terpene analyses THC: 14-17 % CBD: 0.04 % CBG: 1-1.5 % Terpene profile: Monoterpenes: variability in the presence (or not) of very high beta-myrcene content, high amounts of alpha pinene, variability in the...
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Phylos shows A5 and "NYC Dominican Piff Haze" as relatives.
OldCoolSativa
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I'd be interested to learn where you heard that. The Nl5 x Hz A seed was never made for commercial sale, but that doesn't mean Nevil didn't make 5A seed in significant quantities when he had the Haze A plant. Nevil was known to personally meet, get high with, and sell large quantities of seed to well-financed customers at the Cannabis Castle, and I've speculated that it was one such customer who obtained some 5A seed and who had the resources and foresight to make some selections for cloning and large-scale indoor production, the end product of which was Uptown haze and some of its variants. Piff could still be a Nevil's Haze pheno, as the timeline for exactly when Piff showed up in NYC is fuzzy. I strongly concur that Haze A is what made piff special. Full disclosure and for the record, I never smoked piff and have only read about it; my weed connection at the time was through deadheads in western Mass so I was smoking chem variants in the 90s, not piff.
As an aside, @PiffCoastFarms I do appreciate the work you do, although I have my doubts that you can reproduce the best effects and frankincense lingering aromas in a 10-week plant. I'll try to get to Piffcon next year so you can prove me wrong.
PiffCoastFarms
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Definitely come through man! The frankincense in the air is solidified in almost every pheno by now, the effects vary for sure. But you know with a big enough population to hunt through any traits you want can be foundI'd be interested to learn where you heard that. The Nl5 x Hz A seed was never made for commercial sale, but that doesn't mean Nevil didn't make 5A seed in significant quantities when he had the Haze A plant. Nevil was known to personally meet, get high with, and sell large quantities of seed to well-financed customers at the Cannabis Castle, and I've speculated that it was one such customer who obtained some 5A seed and who had the resources and foresight to make some selections for cloning and large-scale indoor production, the end product of which was Uptown haze and some of its variants. Piff could still be a Nevil's Haze pheno, as the timeline for exactly when Piff showed up in NYC is fuzzy. I strongly concur that Haze A is what made piff special. Full disclosure and for the record, I never smoked piff and have only read about it; my weed connection at the time was through deadheads in western Mass so I was smoking chem variants in the 90s, not piff.
As an aside, @PiffCoastFarms I do appreciate the work you do, although I have my doubts that you can reproduce the best effects and frankincense lingering aromas in a 10-week plant. I'll try to get to Piffcon next year so you can prove me wrong.
I heard the story from a Cuban guy I know who moves a lot lot lot of haze, lives in one of the richest towns in NJ in a mansion and it’s all from his family growing haze so I kinda believe him, and he is more of a hustler and isn’t really a knowledgeable grower so for him to throw out names like Ed rosenthal kinda caught me off guard when he was telling me the story and i really don’t think he’s bullshitting. Honestly, you never know though. But yeah he said the story was his uncle was one of the guys who went. showed me a few different bust articles with his family name on them too, seems pretty legit. I’m gonna be starting the “Piffcast Podcast” soon and I’ll be interviewing a ton of old haze growers from New York and Miami so it will be cool to get a bunch of info out there. I’ve honestly heard like 10 different stories but they all seem to be anywhere between 89-92 most Miami people say 89 and most New York people say it hit there in 92. I’ve also heard about some people losing the original and ordering mr nice nl5hz seeds around 2001 and finding similar phenos. One of my friends was at emerald last year and showed Arjan Cuban haze and Arjan said “this is my haze, I lost it 20 years ago… where did you get it?” He asked what the most similar thing he has now is and he said the nl5hazemist… i ordered some and popped 3 packs so we will know here in a few months if it is or not.
Nope. Not unless you can describe the terpene profile. Which you refused to do. Both are sativa, correct.
Doesn't make them "piff" - sorry you can't seem to grasp that.
It's a very specific terpene profile.
Regarding Jack holding "piff" terps because Karma G said a Jack pheno reminded him of A5 - that's not the same as saying Jack produced a "piff" phenotype.
A5 - itself, IS NOT a piff expression. Though it holds the key to unlocking such expressions.
dank.Frank
CannaT
starin' at the world through my rearview
You're just being funny again, I told you that you're the ultimate clown. And that you do a great job.
You're just being funny again, I told you that you're the ultimate clown. And that you do a great job.
be thorough to to this story not everything else
Let's all settle down and keep the thread on track without personal insults, thanks. 
CannaT
starin' at the world through my rearview
Why should I discuss with people who use facts to confirm their opinion. Instead of using facts to question their opinion. I'm on a higher mental level than that.
What are terps of my cutting....you ask me.
Couldnt say better than Neville wrote about it....
"The fragrance is complex and deep, with a dry flowery perfume over a base of dark, leathery animal tones."
What are terps of my cutting....you ask me.
Couldnt say better than Neville wrote about it....
"The fragrance is complex and deep, with a dry flowery perfume over a base of dark, leathery animal tones."
CannaT
starin' at the world through my rearview
Jack is Back...Jack Herer Sensi Seeds grow.
It will be selection on 5 x 10 reg packs of Sensi Jack....searching for pheno A..
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Here you have all infos all transparent not some shity lies and fake ass stories...of more than 30 years old cuttings.
I have a pack of Chimera's Frankies Haze. Last word on it was good but not great, not piff in otherwords. Any new grows or info on it?
The original seemed to be a transcendant high from reports I read. Like beyond being high on strong pot. Hope someone can finally nail this straIn down. If it is a one off of a clone it might not be doable.
The original seemed to be a transcendant high from reports I read. Like beyond being high on strong pot. Hope someone can finally nail this straIn down. If it is a one off of a clone it might not be doable.
I grew the original and am growing the remaining 2 seeds now, good but not great. Great yield though.
seems like we can all agree on one thing.. we all went to different churches and everyones basement smelled different
we don't have basements down here so when people come looking for that basement funk we got no clue what it is and frankincense seems to vary from person to person
i guess its possible to find "piff" smell in jack if the lineage is in there somewhere idk.. we went through a bunch of jack seeds with no luck, same deal with nl5 stuff that was available but at the end of the day its luck of the draw aint it?
we don't have basements down here so when people come looking for that basement funk we got no clue what it is and frankincense seems to vary from person to person
i guess its possible to find "piff" smell in jack if the lineage is in there somewhere idk.. we went through a bunch of jack seeds with no luck, same deal with nl5 stuff that was available but at the end of the day its luck of the draw aint it?
PiffCoastFarms
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from what I’ve seen the Frankie’s incense haze had too much jack influence but some people did find piffy phenos in the simply irresistible which was sweet skunk x incense haze from chimera
The strawberry cough beans and cut I used to run always left that incense smell in the room when puffed.
I think what Dank Frank is saying is that it's not just the incense, that there is more to it that defines it, when a cut of jack etc has some incense to it does not mean that piff came from it, and that there is another mystery parent involved making it impossible to simply be a cut of jack or a5
...... exactly!
