Pickling lime for ph soil adjust?

[Guest]

Gentlemen. I really appreciate your insight. This is the product I got.
http://www.fertilome.com/Labels/HiY...estone Label.pdf#search="Hi Yield limestone"
It is almost a fine sand. I learned quick that the epsom salts is better disolved in water. My mix starts with Lamberts sphagnum peat. It has a wetting agent & a little perlite. this round I used 75% of the lamberts potting mix andadded 25% perlite. I also put 2 tbls of the H/Y lime. I mixed up 2 gallons worth and transplanted 6 of 9 clones I took from the original bagseed plants. So it is BEST to put several clones to the side and use the best of these for mothers instead of the original seed plant! As A seed plant and a clone from it mature what differences may show up?

 

[Guest]

The idea is not to use a clone as a mother,but to flower all your female clones(keeping copies of course) that you've taken from the seedplants to determine which one you want to perpetuate.You want to judge the finished product before making a final determination,and the finished product is the flowered clone,not the flowered seedplant.

 

[Guest]

I kan't seem to verbify this idea so peoples can understands what I'm sayin

 

[vonforne]

Gentlemen. I really appreciate your insight. This is the product I got.
http://www.fertilome.com/Labels/HiY...estone Label.pdf#search="Hi Yield limestone"
It is almost a fine sand. I learned quick that the epsom salts is better disolved in water. My mix starts with Lamberts sphagnum peat. It has a wetting agent & a little perlite. this round I used 75% of the lamberts potting mix andadded 25% perlite. I also put 2 tbls of the H/Y lime. I mixed up 2 gallons worth and transplanted 6 of 9 clones I took from the original bagseed plants. So it is BEST to put several clones to the side and use the best of these for mothers instead of the original seed plant! As A seed plant and a clone from it mature what differences may show up?

That lime will work. Be careful not to use to much because once its mixed in it can't be removed. Top dress with the second spoon full if you can.

The clone thing. Skeletor, didn't we discuss this briefly before? I can't remember. Anyway, I take clones from the mothers. Then I put the mothers outside. They were female seeds and with the "hermie" scare I thought that was best. I'm keeping the first generation from clone for cuttings. They were taken before flowering the others to prevent any problems. And I believe we discussed the effects of generation to generation cloning with no effect on the potency. Right? Ok. I stated that I want to know how the clones grow. Being, who roots the fastest, who grows the fastest and who finishes the fastest and so on. Thats the meaning I was trying to state. Are you suggesting that, cut clones---flower and keep the mothers to the side? I took that as what you meant. I got that right. Mine are the first generation of clones and have not been altered. The are exact copies of the mothers. Basically they are no different and should not be considered so. I have always flowered my mothers...I guess I'm doing it wrong. But better safe than sorry. The hermies would have been outside and not in an enclosed room with a bunch of "good" clones. No chance of pollination. Sorry if I mistook you. And I hope we did not confuse Cracker. And Cracker, just take clones before you flower any thing. If you are in a hurry...flower the mothers and keep the first generation of clones for mothers. If not keep the mothers and flower the clones as Skeletor states. I guess there is benefits both ways. Depends on if you are smoking schwag or not.

 

[Guest]

I kan't seem to verbify this idea so peoples can understands what I'm sayin

Well , I feel a little better, I thougt I was the only one that had that prob! I can easily make my meaning understood verbally but I ain't worth a shit using the written word.
So here is whatI gather.when the seed plants mature to the point where they can be sexed, I pull the males. I take several clones from each remaining females. I put a clone or two from each in the veg cabinet under 18/6 florescents.then flower the others I compare them all to decide which clones turned out the best. This way I have the best clones in the veg cabinet waiting for future cuttings. Thats about what I had in mind I think LOL

 

[sproutco]

That's some good dolomite lime you bought. It is high in magnesium with the ratio of calcium to magnesium about 2:1 I have seen low mag. lime before with the ratio of calcium to magnesium 4:1 I think it must contain at least 6% magnesium to be called dolomite lime.

Interestingly, calcium hydroxide (pickling lime) can be used to raise ph. It is sometimes also called hydrated lime. It is more rapid in its effect than dolomite lime. It does not supply magnesium like dolomite lime would. Here is what Douglas Bailey from North Carolina State says:

It should not be used on media containing a large quantity of ammoniacal nitrogen...The ammonium nitrogen absorbed on the soil complex can be rapidly released by the calcium hydroxide, which in turn releases ammonia gas that can burn roots and foliage. Also, very rapid changes in soil ph are seldom desirable. Consider using hydrated lime only in a situation where the media ph is extremely low, and a rapid increase is needed to salvage the crop.

 

[Guest]

Confuse me? I don't need anybody's help ! I manage just fine on my own! I understand the process ofusing the clones to decide if the plant was worth keeping. I just assumed the original seed plant the clone came from was the plant you wanted to supply future cuttings.

 

[vonforne]

No I was talking about jumping around to different subjects like we were. I just thought me and Skeletor got off subject on your post. Didn't mean to offend. Thought you just wanted to know about the lime.
Sorry

Thanks Sproutco. You are always so good at knowing all of the products.

 

[Guest]

I guess I'm worse at it than I thought,because nobody seems to get it,and its so simple.Forget the seedplants,flower them smoke them throw them away like the brothers grimm used to suggest for their cindy 99,seedplants dont matter.The whole simple idea is to flower the clones and make your decision on which to keep from the flowered clones,thats all.Sorry it got so cornfusing.Vonforne you say that the clone is an exact copy of the seedplant,and should be considred so.Thats not been my experience.If that were true,I could decide which pheno to choose from the flowered seedplant instead of choosing from flowered clones.I've seen clones finish a full 10 days sooner than its seedplant,or sooner than the other clones.I also want to know the structure of the finished clone,not the finished seedplant.

 

[vonforne]

thats my point too Skeletor. I'm not really interested in the seedplant other than supplying me my clones. Like I said, the reason I flowered my mothers this year is because they were female seeds. I have kept seedplants before but I like to clone down due to space right now. I like the way you look at the seedplant/clone theory. I see your point and it is a viable one. So much so I will now look into it more because you have renewed my interest in that area. Lately I have been perfecting a new soil mix as to get away from using any liquid ferts but the ones I make myself. Now that that is done it will free me up to study another aspect. And like I said I like your outlook on that subject. Thanks Skeletor. I would like to debate this subject with you further if you have the time.

Von

 

[Guest]

No I was talking about jumping around to different subjects like we were. I just thought me and Skeletor got off subject on your post. Didn't mean to offend. Thought you just wanted to know about the lime.
Sorry

Good Lord No offense taken ! I was just kiddin around. You guys feel free to discuss anything Ya want here. I asked about pickling lime and got a good start on a potting mix , good suggestions on greening up my seedlings and a real good idea on how I will get from seed to choice clones. Not to mention insight on which lime to use epsom salts, molassas. I lucked out!
Skeletor, I understand what you are saying. What do You look for when choosing which clones are best? Please carry on! I think the seedlings aren't as green as they could be. I want to sprinkle a pinch of lime on top and give them a tiny bit more fish emulsion. I also added another 250 watt light for a total of 500 watts of MH over a 3 by 3' area. I hope this will give them a boost!

 

[Guest]

There's really only three things I look at with the finished clone,yield quality and finishing time.I also like a pheno with a vertical structure like a main cola with little side branching,I can flower about 40 blockhead in my 8 by 8 flower room in 2 gallon pots.It's about a 60 day strain,so I'll veg 20 plants for 30 days and when I harvest 20 plants from the flower room,I'll have 20 plants ready to go in.This way my flower room stays full 100% of the time.There have been some strains/pheno's that I really wanted to perpetuate but the structure of the plant was all wrong,with some I'd be lucky to fit 20

 

[vonforne]

Hey Skeletor, I just picked-up some Blockhead off seedbay. You must like it. How well do you like it? I have been growing mostly sativas now. Grapefruit and Durban Posion. I have a couple of Afghan's also (sometimes I like the couchlock). And a couple of other mixes going now(in veg) but I liked the look and description of the Blockhead. And I did hear you talk about it before so I was wondering if you could give me the run down on it. In a growers words. Please. HaHa.

Von

 

[Guest]

Blockhead is a great commercial strain or just for personal use,its just plain great.I've went through over a dozen 150 dollar strains like NYCD and jack herrer but the only one I've kept around the last couple years has been blockhead.I guess you have to get it at auction anymore,serious seeds doesnt seem to carry it anymore.If you want a strain that covered in trichromes not pistils,this is the strain for you

 

[vonforne]

I think the breeder on this blockhead was SOL. Might be where Serios got it originally.

 

[Guest]

Right spice of life

 

[Guest]

There's really only three things I look at with the finished clone,yield quality and finishing time.I also like a pheno with a vertical structure like a main cola with little side branching,I can flower about 40 blockhead in my 8 by 8 flower room in 2 gallon pots.It's about a 60 day strain,so I'll veg 20 plants for 30 days and when I harvest 20 plants from the flower room,I'll have 20 plants ready to go in.This way my flower room stays full 100% of the time.There have been some strains/pheno's that I really wanted to perpetuate but the structure of the plant was all wrong,with some I'd be lucky to fit 20

Could You refer me to more info on phenotypes .structure etc? Also concerning cuttings that show pistils ,my two biggest plants are already showing female preflowers, At 1st I thought these would be good for cuttings. Would these early femes be a poor choice? AND If I may get off topic here LOL, I may finally have a strain or two I can name! I built a aerocloner that a friend wants to trade for several AK47 and I think TrainWreck clones! I gotta come up with some more room!

 

[Guest]

Sometimes pistils are inevitable,like I said its probably going to happen,what you want is to keep them to an absolute minimum.For instance I'd try and take cuttings from near the bottom that may not have any pistils,when I'm ready to flower a plant.One sure way to pack on the pistils is to take cuttings during flower.Phenotype basically means the physical characteristics of the plant,one pheno may be tall and spindly whereas another pheno could be squat and bushy all from the same strain.

 

[Guest]

Thanks for the heads up on the PH An obvious point that I missed! Seeing how thes plants will be used to produce clones only, I want to be generous with the fish emulsion so I will keep a real close eye on the ph. I'm impatiecently eyeballing all new growth! I may snip a few mid level fan leaves so the lower shoots will get more light. Can't hurt right?

 

[Guest]

Depends bro,I've heard many folks say when they snip a little side-branching,they end up with a bigger cola on top.Its supposed to "concentrate" all the growth towards the top of the plant is the theory,its never ben a good one for me.I usually dont take off any branches,and I grow pretty big clones.Even the buds on the bottom are still buds right?Maybe its cause I flower with 1000W,but I dont have any waste and dont make hash or anything.I just dont see how removing part of the plant is going to increase my final yield,of course I can just do a plant like I have a brain and then I'd know fer sure!